Mac OS X Theme Change in Leopard Seed 9A410

[Object-X]

Worth the wait.

Why should we possibly care - especially on a day like today???????

What a bunch of cry babies. So you have to wait four months. You'll get over it. Good things are worth waiting for.

Though I like the brushed metal theme, it's time for a change. iTunes looks nice and I welcome a more unified theme accross applications. It looks infinitely better than Vista. I mean seriously...with all their money can't Microsoft find better designers?

 

[psychometry]

To a lot of long-time Windows users like me, OS X STILL seems like a Beta OS... 10.0 (was like a preview, far from complete), 10.1 (faster but still far from complete), 10.2 (more features but not complete), 10.3 (handful of innovative features but the OS is not complete), 10.4 (some more innovative features but STILL the OS is not complete), how long must we wait? Is it ever going to be complete? I mean 10.5 will probably only be about 80% complete and this is all because Apple started completely over in their OS from OS9. My bet is that all 10.x releases are just Apple building a complete OS that we won't see until v11.1 if that.

Are you on crack? What sort of features are missing? How is it less than complete? Are you aware that you can add functionality to an operating system through software known as applications? Maybe then your computing experience will realize its metaphysical completeness.

I don't want to list all the things OS X lacks in that other modern OSes have, lets just say themes and performance issues are only a fraction of the list.

No, please list them.

 

[Object-X]

brushed steel, i cant wait. i always hated it!!!

very excited

i give that 6 apples....

Uh, you gave it 7 apples actually.

 

[sblasl]

Touche!!!!!

TOUCHE!!!!!


This sums it up as to how I actually feel right now. is a company without a compass at this time.

Where they appear to be currently is truly disappointing.

i think 10.5 is going to be gorgeous!

 

[Object-X]

Are you on crack? What sort of features are missing? How is it less than complete? Are you aware that you can add functionality to an operating system through software known as applications? Maybe then your computing experience will realize its metaphysical completeness.


No, please list them.

ChildOL is a troll, double posts and all.

 

[robPOD]

is a company without a compass at this time.

Where they appear to be currently is truly disappointing.

I fully agree. Come on apple!

 

[shawnce]

I fully agree. Come on apple!

Wow are folks really that disconnected from how well Apple is actually performing...?

 

[phytonix]

Has Apple lost their mind?

All brick like Mac mini + AirPort Base Station + Apple TV
and now this? Totally a step backward!!!

Apple is the second M$ with no taste????

 

[ChildOL]

ChildOL is a troll, double posts and all.

I am not a troll and I rarely post. The double post I guess was because I was forced to re-login.

 

[nagromme]

Wow are folks really that disconnected from how well Apple is actually performing...?

Yes they are. A 4 month delay is a blow... but compared to what Windows has faced and is facing, still trying to catch up to the Tiger we have now?

Here's the logic of some who are shrieking in agony today:

1. All companies are less than 100% perfect.

2. Apple too is not perfect.

3. A 4 month delay while we already have an OS (Tiger) better than Vista is exactly the same as a 3 year delay and an inferior OS piled with malware.

4. Screenshots showing tiny UI tweaks (showing an improvement in consistency) that were leaked without Apple's knowledge are a second crime by Apple!

5. A lot of people care about the iPhone, but those people don't matter because I don't want one personally, and that makes the iPhone evil!

6. Therefore, Apple is FULLY AS BAD as Microsoft.

7. Therefore, Apple is WORSE than Microsoft!

8. And Apple poisoned my DOG FOOD too!

And they say Mac "zealots" can say no wrong about Apple, and worship Steve blindly

Me, I guess I'm not suffering quite as much as some claim to be. I'll complain about the disappointing delay, reserve judgement on the UI details for now, and see if the sun rises tomorrow or not

 

[pengu]

Apples biggest competition would have to be Microsoft. Yet they focus on producing a mobile phone instead of an answer to Vista. I can really see a mobile phone company running Apple out of business...

Right. because Microsoft don't make a Mobile phone OS?
and as for an "answer" to Vista. I'm pretty sure they have one. it's called OS X v10.4

 

[ChildOL]

Yes they are. A 4 month delay is a blow... but compared to what Windows has faced and is facing, still trying to catch up to the Tiger we have now?

And they say Mac "zealots" can say no wrong about Apple, and worship Steve blindly

I suppose personally I am feeling the brunt of this and am a bit bitter since I like Apple because of their OS, and I still use a G4 powermac so I have that "left behind" thing going on. I watch flash videos every day and flash sucks on a mac and I wish they would fix it and so I hope with every release of OS X that it will be fixed but alas it is not

 

[Cougarcat]

IMHO the interesting thing here is not the theme (which can be fixed via uno, thank god) but of the browse button in the finder. A mini iTunes/iPhoto, perhaps? Interesting, but further proof that the Finder won't get its long overdue overhaul.

 

[Lixivial]

Must say i have read the entire apple.com section on Leopard. As per your edit, i have no idea what you are talking about.

It goes a bit further than what is stated there. If you watch the Mac OS X State of the Union (at about 1:13:45), which is free on iTunes, Scott Forstall states that one of its primary purpose is to create Rich Icon Previews of the document in Finder, Spotlight or Time Machine icon view. These are accessible for developers to write modules for their document formats in much the same way as spotlight importers are (I believe, anyway).

Its other primary function is to provide the graphic overlay that apple.com states.

 

[iMacZealot]

I supposed personally I am feeling the brunt of this since I like Apple because of their OS, and I still use a G4 powermac so I have that "left behind" thing going on. I watch flash videos every day and flash sucks on a mac and I wish they would fix it and so I hope with every release of OS X that it will be fixed but alas it is not

So, let me get you straight...you claim to not be a troll and use a mac for the operating system, but you complain that the operating system has never been complete every since 10.0?

Please elaborate.

 

[nagromme]

I supposed personally I am feeling the brunt of this and am a bit bitter since I like Apple because of their OS, and I still use a G4 powermac so I have that "left behind" thing going on. I watch flash videos every day and flash sucks on a mac and I wish they would fix it and so I hope with every release of OS X that it will be fixed but alas it is not

Flash doesn't need an OS X update I fear, so much as it needs a player update from Adobe. Luckily, Adobe seems to have been busy delivering Intel Mac goodies lately

That won't help your G4, but it may help your next Mac! (Although my G4 1.24 seems to handle Flash video just fine--but I'm sure some sites run at sizes where that would not be true.)

 

[dante@sisna.com]

Could Not Disagree More

I fully agree. Come on apple!

The tone of many of the posts in this thread are stuck in the past, in the old ways of computing

Apple has never had better direction, they have never had a more solid, future-oriented focus that will grow the entire brand, including the OS.

 

[Howmanoid]

Less really is more!

Apple has this incredible knack for subtracting and subtracting design elements until they are left with the purest expression of what they are trying to do. This new look for the finder window is a beatiful example of what design really is. It's amazing that a tech company gets it to this degree!!

 

[iancapable]

Yes they are. A 4 month delay is a blow... but compared to what Windows has faced and is facing, still trying to catch up to the Tiger we have now?

Here's the logic of some who are shrieking in agony today:

1. All companies are less than 100% perfect.

2. Apple too is not perfect.

3. A 4 month delay while we already have an OS (Tiger) better than Vista is exactly the same as a 3 year delay and an inferior OS piled with malware.

4. Screenshots showing tiny UI tweaks (showing an improvement in consistency) that were leaked without Apple's knowledge are a second crime by Apple!

5. A lot of people care about the iPhone, but those people don't matter because I don't want one personally, and that makes the iPhone evil!

6. Therefore, Apple is FULLY AS BAD as Microsoft.

7. Therefore, Apple is WORSE than Microsoft!

8. And Apple poisoned my DOG FOOD too!

And they say Mac "zealots" can say no wrong about Apple, and worship Steve blindly

Me, I guess I'm not suffering quite as much as some claim to be. I'll complain about the disappointing delay, reserve judgement on the UI details for now, and see if the sun rises tomorrow or not

To be honest, I'm not too bothered about the delay. I'm happy with tiger at the moment. It has everything I need and to me, thats enough for now.

Would be nice to get a better theme in leopard. But at least they are introducing consistency.

 

[jialuolu]

I think it looks worse than the current brushed metal look.. I was hoping the new UI would use darker greys. This look reminds me of plastic surfaces that scratch really easily

 

[iBookG4user]

The new theme change in Leopard looks a little bit better than the brushed metal and I kind of like it. Although they should make the theme a lighter grey.

 

[nagromme]

I think it looks worse than the current brushed metal look.. I was hoping the new UI would use darker greys. This look reminds me of plastic surfaces that scratch really easily

That is the PERFECT headline for Cnet "Apple's Acclaimed OS X Leopard Plagued By Scratch Marks"!

I'm not sure how darker grays make a UI look more scratch-proof than light grays, but then that comes down to personal taste*

The new theme change in Leopard looks a little bit better than the brushed metal and I kind of like it. Although they should make the theme a lighter grey.

* I rest my case

 

[shrimpdesign]

I don't want to list all the things OS X lacks in that other modern OSes have, lets just say themes and performance issues are only a fraction of the list.

Ubuntu Linux is calling, and I am tempted to answer (FYI Ubuntu updates every 6 months to a new version adding LOTS of features and OS capabilities etc. ALSO Linux is free, open source, secure, stable, and extremely customizable)

I find OS X performs great, and if you really want themes, then pick up Shapeshifter.

And yes, Ubuntu is free, updated every 6 months, extremely customizable, etc, etc. Yadda yadda. Not to bash Linux or anything, but it's complicated. It's extremely customizable at a price. And it's also free at a price. It takes more time to set it up.

In a way, it does cost: it costs me time. Since i'm a fulltime college student, working 10 hours a week, doing freelance web design jobs, planning a wedding ... I don't have time to configure the darn X server so that it gets my exact display settings. Or figuring out the Wi-fi driver linux mess ... Sure, there are people that Linux is great for, and you may very well love it, but it has it's shortcomings, just as Windows and OS X have theirs.

Yes, Ubuntu has great forums and community where people will help you... but 8 times out of 10, you'll be using the command line interface to install some random thing that you obviously need, but wasn't included for whatever reason. Since OS X caters specifically to Mac users, they can optimize for specific Mac machines.

I've installed Ubuntu a couple of times on a partition alongside OS X, and I've always used OS X more. I'm not saying everyone has to like OS X, but you act as if Ubuntu is totally free, which it isn't. It takes your time.

Personally, I want an OS, not a chore.

 

[wmmk]

Hmmm...
At first, UNO seemed cool to me, but then I realized the wisdom in a non-unified GUI:
You can tell apps apart more easily

I still hate brushed metal and stripes, but like having some degree of variety in my UI. Now I use SmoothStripes, which would have been nice for apple to fine tune a bit. Anyhow, it is a developer's preview, so no biggie. I don't mind waiting for October for Leopard because it gives more time to save up for it. Some of us need to stop thinking about OS X for a couple of minutes, get outside, and inhale a deep breath of fresh optimism and realism. Seriously, 3 months of waiting for an OS or having an overly gray user interface isn't too terrible in comparison to the bombings in the Iraqi Parliament or the offense taken at Don Imus's terrible comments.

 

[ChildOL]

I find OS X performs great, and if you really want themes, then pick up Shapeshifter.

And yes, Ubuntu is free, updated every 6 months, extremely customizable, etc, etc. Yadda yadda. Not to bash Linux or anything, but it's complicated. It's extremely customizable at a price. And it's also free at a price. It takes more time to set it up.

In a way, it does cost: it costs me time. Since i'm a fulltime college student, working 10 hours a week, doing freelance web design jobs, planning a wedding ... I don't have time to configure the darn X server so that it gets my exact display settings. Or figuring out the Wi-fi driver linux mess ... Sure, there are people that Linux is great for, and you may very well love it, but it has it's shortcomings, just as Windows and OS X have theirs.

Yes, Ubuntu has great forums and community where people will help you... but 8 times out of 10, you'll be using the command line interface to install some random thing that you obviously need, but wasn't included for whatever reason. Since OS X caters specifically to Mac users, they can optimize for specific Mac machines.

I've installed Ubuntu a couple of times on a partition alongside OS X, and I've always used OS X more. I'm not saying everyone has to like OS X, but you act as if Ubuntu is totally free, which it isn't. It takes your time.

Personally, I want an OS, not a chore.

I agree, Linux is usually a chore.