Mac OS X Tiger Notes

[i_am_a_cow]

So what's the point of the registration screen?
command-option-Q.... does it work?

So Apple knows who has their products and they can have statistics on roughly how many people are using them. I think command-option-q isn't even needed. Command-q is fine. But why wouldn't you want to register? Didn't you buy it?

 

[0098386]

woah

why did my post get deleted? all i asked was where are these people who ordered Tiger and had it arrive early from? my guess would be america, with the DVD's probably being pressed there.

and I think that Apple doing a puchase>download of Tiger would cool, and at a discount because you're not paying for boxes/manuals etc. I got Half Life 2 that way, just left if overnight and it was mine in the morning. and then it took a day or so to try and get it onto my laptop in my room -had no internet connection to it.

 

[izzle22]

Why?

So Apple knows who has their products and they can have statistics on roughly how many people are using them. I think command-option-q isn't even needed. Command-q is fine. But why wouldn't you want to register? Didn't you buy it?

Why? Because some people don't have all their Macs hooked to the internet and some people buy a single user copy and buy a used, second machine and feel they should be abel to install it on their second machine. That's why.

 

[powerbook911]

So what's the point of the registration screen?
command-option-Q.... does it work?

If you're not connected to the net, the registration won't go through, and you have to manually send it anyway.

However, I have no problem registering. I always do.

 

[pigwin32]

Apple is not leaving you cold in the dark, you have an option either buy the HW and get iLife and 10.4 free or you can stay with the previous OS. As for me since I upgrade my HW its not an issue of having the latest OS.

Yep, this is pretty much what I did, but I bought the hardware (a Mac Mini) to run an OpenBSD webserver so I wouldn't be using the bundled software. I had old versions of the iLife apps on my TiBook and I figured I would upgrade them using the iLife install that came on the install disk with the Mac Mini (I haven't read the eula so I'm not sure if this is acceptable use). Plus having bought the Mac Mini after 12 April I'm eligible for a 10.4 upgrade for the cost of the media, hooray. *But* the installer wouldn't install the iLife apps on my PB. Knowing a little about packages I was fairly certain the individual iLife packages would be on the disk somewhere and sure enough there they were, stuffed into a ".packages" folder. The "." at the front of the name hides folders from the Finder so running Installer from the Finder won't work. But the Installer is just another application and you can run it from Terminal and you can pass it the name of the package and it did install the packages on my TiBook.

 

[pigwin32]

Can I get in trouble for this? I hope Apple doesn't hate me. I did buy this after all.

The new mail.app looks like an improvement, the 10.3 version is just too annoying with its stupid tray. On more than one occasion I tried to close mail by clicking on what I thought was the red close button. Instead I ended up closing the window of the application that was *behind* mail because the stupid tray covered everything except for the buttons. The stupid workaround for this stupid UI was to move the mail window to the far left so the stupid tray would open to the right. Stupid mail, mutter mutter. I thought Apple was supposed to be *good* at UI, and don't get me started on the stupid Dock.

 

[i_am_a_cow]

Why? Because some people don't have all their Macs hooked to the internet and some people buy a single user copy and buy a used, second machine and feel they should be abel to install it on their second machine. That's why.

I know haha, that was a sarcastic comment directed toward those who do not even plan on paying for one copy of tiger that they have obtained. I'm not saying that registration should be required, I'm just pointing out that Apple's use of registration is not so that it can prosecute those who steal, but so that it has an idea of who is using it's products.

Registration is not "required" now. There is some misunderstanding over this. The difference now is that you cannot check "I'll register later" or something like that. If you don't want to register you press command-q and set 10.4 up yourself.


PS: I wrote to Apple about a couple of issues I have discovered: Preview doesn't print the correct page numbers for PDFs with roman numerals, oval annotation only scales in one direction, my translator widget just stopped working, etc.

 

[i_am_a_cow]

PS If you still can't find it, then you are probably not smart enough to use Bittorrent properly anyway. Just pay the $129! Or $69 if you get the edu discount.

Yea just pay it anyway it's not very much for what you get out of it. Check out grapher:

Does Longhorn come with a full graphing calculator? This one even graphs unsolved functions (x^2 + y^2 = z^2).

 

[izzle22]

I know haha, that was a sarcastic comment directed toward those who do not even plan on paying for one copy of tiger that they have obtained. I'm not saying that registration should be required, I'm just pointing out that Apple's use of registration is not so that it can prosecute those who steal, but so that it has an idea of who is using it's products.

Registration is not "required" now. There is some misunderstanding over this. The difference now is that you cannot check "I'll register later" or something like that. If you don't want to register you press command-q and set 10.4 up yourself.

What do you mean "set 10.4 up yourself" I never remembered Apple setting up Panther for me when I registered it? I figured you always set your OS up yourself.

 

[i_am_a_cow]

What do you mean "set 10.4 up yourself" I never remembered Apple setting up Panther for me when I registered it? I figured you always set your OS up yourself.

Well all the "setup assistant" (which is the program that also registers for you automatically) sets is your internet, .mac if you have it, and your personal info such as address and stuff. I think there might be some other stuff but it's all very simple stuff. Panther had something like this too. I remember because it had a really cool song with it.

 

[LaMerVipere]

Can I get in trouble for this? I hope Apple doesn't hate me. I did buy this after all.

And more, including grapher:
http://www.micahfitch.com/imagestuff/tigre/

Whoa, thanks!

Tiger looks great.

 

[blackcrayon]

Why? Because some people don't have all their Macs hooked to the internet and some people buy a single user copy and buy a used, second machine and feel they should be abel to install it on their second machine. That's why.

And Apple realizes that if you ever need to reinstall your OS, you might not want to have to register every time (or they might not want duplicate information in their database, etc.). Also, people might not want Apple to have their info (pirates asdie). It's a 2 way street. People may not want Apple contacting them or mailing them anything. Of course Apple might refuse to offer "support" in this case (though if you ever needed it you could probably just "register" at the time you experienced the problem)... But it's up to the customer which is nice. (Also, the customer could just enter bogus information anyway which is probably worse to apple than no info at all).

 

[tokevino]

Replay to i_am_a_cow:

How long does it take to index everything to Spotlight after the first installation? Or the process is automatic?

 

[blackcrayon]

This is going to be annoying when using the family pack when all machines aren't online. I would prefer 5 licence numbers.

How is a single key combo to skip the registration harder than entering a license number (you know, reading the big string of characters and entering it in exactly into a text field) five separate times?

FWIW, in case there is a misunderstanding, this is exactly how it worked in Panther. They just made the key combo to skip the registration different.

 

[Object-X]

Server load

I too would love to be able to download a paid copy of Tiger as soon a it was complete. It seems that Apple can be quite a hypocrite calling music companies (pre-iTunes) distribution model antiquated when they do exactly the same as the RIAA for their software. Come on Apple compete with the torrent sites!

Could you imagine the server load the day it was released?

 

[eric_n_dfw]

The new mail.app looks like an improvement, the 10.3 version is just too annoying with its stupid tray. On more than one occasion I tried to close mail by clicking on what I thought was the red close button. Instead I ended up closing the window of the application that was *behind* mail because the stupid tray covered everything except for the buttons. The stupid workaround for this stupid UI was to move the mail window to the far left so the stupid tray would open to the right. Stupid mail, mutter mutter. I thought Apple was supposed to be *good* at UI, and don't get me started on the stupid Dock.

Apparently, stupid is the work of the day.

FWIW: I like the dock and I like Mail in 10.3. So do many people.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

...but I bought it the day after! It's so tight. I don't even have a DVD burner. I accidentally registered it but it really doesn't matter because I actually bought it. I hope all of the people who stole it will buy it now.

It is much snappier than 10.3, although the spotlight feature is not as quick as quicksilver.

Paying for it is worth it.

Does QuickSilver work okay with it? I'm completely addicted to it on 10.3

 

[shawnce]

FOLKS come on...

Mac OS X 10.4 installs and then boots into a setup assistant just like 10.3, 10.2, 10.1, ... did before it.

In Tiger it attempts to use an existing .Mac or apple id to speed the process of configuring your system (pull down you name, address, etc.) however it will work just fine if you have NO internet connection.

It is NOT a licensing system, it isn't used to enable your install or any strange tricks like that.

Lets keep the FUD out of this.

 

[aegisdesign]

The new mail.app looks like an improvement, the 10.3 version is just too annoying with its stupid tray. On more than one occasion I tried to close mail by clicking on what I thought was the red close button. Instead I ended up closing the window of the application that was *behind* mail because the stupid tray covered everything except for the buttons. The stupid workaround for this stupid UI was to move the mail window to the far left so the stupid tray would open to the right. Stupid mail, mutter mutter. I thought Apple was supposed to be *good* at UI, and don't get me started on the stupid Dock.

This is the one thing I'm really going to miss. The new mail program looks like a boring outlook clone with the most bizarre buttons I've ever seen in an Apple application. I hope someone comes out with a hack to put the old style graphics back at least although I guess the drawer is gone forever.

I really hate having the mailboxes on the left and on a small screen, being able to switch the drawer out helped.

I really can't understand why Apple seem to have invented yet another UI style just for Mail. It's bizarre.

 

[whenpaulsparks]

thanks for the screenshots. you are a god amongst men.

btw, i wasnt skeptical. i just want to see screenshots. and tomorrow, bloody hell, someone had better put up pictures of the box and manual and CDs. i am salivating here. i need something to hold me over. i can't accept shipments right now so i have to buy mine friday night at the local store.

it is your responsibility, early people, to help the rest of this community out by letting us drool over screenshots and pictures of the box and CDs. it is an obligatory responsibility just by posting on these message boards. i'm sure its in the agreement you agree to when you created your account. check again.

 

[i_am_a_cow]

Replay to i_am_a_cow:

How long does it take to index everything to Spotlight after the first installation? Or the process is automatic?

Yea it's automatic and it only takes like an hour! (at least on my system)

 

[i_am_a_cow]

Does QuickSilver work okay with it? I'm completely addicted to it on 10.3

Yes, it does, and there is a development version for tiger.

 

[i_am_a_cow]

I really can't understand why Apple seem to have invented yet another UI style just for Mail. It's bizarre.

Actually, it makes sense. Mail is one of those applications that you have open while you have other applications open and it's not fun if you can't easily see the differences between these apps. The buttons look really cool in real life. I do admit they are a bit strange at first, but the icons are basically the same with grey buttons behind them.

 

[~Shard~]

Actually, it makes sense. Mail is one of those applications that you have open while you have other applications open and it's not fun if you can't easily see the differences between these apps. The buttons look really cool in real life. I do admit they are a bit strange at first, but the icons are basically the same with grey buttons behind them.

Like anything else brand new, I'm sure it simply takes time to get used to...

 

[j33pd0g]

This is the one thing I'm really going to miss. The new mail program looks like a boring outlook clone with the most bizarre buttons I've ever seen in an Apple application. I hope someone comes out with a hack to put the old style graphics back at least although I guess the drawer is gone forever.

I really hate having the mailboxes on the left and on a small screen, being able to switch the drawer out helped.

I really can't understand why Apple seem to have invented yet another UI style just for Mail. It's bizarre.

Does anyone know if you can do text only instead of buttons in the new Mail.app?