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Mac Pro Announced
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Alenate said:
I think it's way too early to speculate what install for the Mac Pro considering the fact that no consumer will get them before September. Still I doubt if Apple will drop any prices.
However, from the sound of things, it seemed that the kit is not available yet. I would give three two to three weeks for it to appear on the shelves at your local Apple store.
I need the Mac ASAP as I sold my PC...and I need some of parts inside before I hand it over. I've also got to get all my data off the PC before it goes away, which would be well before the Mac Pro would've arrived.
However, would this work?:
Can I plug the Mac Pro into my Airport Express to get internet while I wait for the kit to become available?
I meant that I'll buy a stock Mac Pro instead of ordering it online. I can take it back to the store later for AirPort/Bluetooth. I need my computer ASAP as well. Seeing as I'm not using my own.JoshRtek said:
You're not going to be able to use the AirPort Express until you have wireless.
aiongiant said:
Erm... thats kind of stupid! Why dont you just pay for the expensive card and use it on both OS's?
Why pay extra for a crappier card just to run OSX?
About once a month Fry's sells the Seagate SATA II 3.0 300GB drives for $99.00. August 4th they had 400GB SATA 300 drive for $139.99. Right now they have a 10GB Ultra DMA 100 drive for $14.99, don't everyone run over there at once.Multimedia said:
You can go here to see their newspaper adv: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?adid=3334374&advid=32664&type=Newegg and a slew of otheres have RAM heatsinks for sale. Some look just like Apple's heatsinks. http://www.casecooler.com/vico.htmlMultimedia said:Please Explain VGA Heatsinks And Where We Get Them From Who For How Much Money? Yes it looks like a ploy to me. But just enough information to scare
You can also get passive heatsinks for your video card. I put one on video card in my PC. It's tricky and not for the faint at heart, if you screw up, you're screwed. But it helps keep the noise down and the card cool.
Alenate said:
Conroe (two core) and Kentfield (four core) are sold as "desktop" chips, Woodcrest (two core) and Cloverton (four core) are sold as "server" chips. Obviously Apple doesn't care whether Intel calls them "desktop" or "server" chips, they do what they think is best for the customer.
The main difference is that you can have only one Conroe or Kentfield chip, but two Woodcrest or Cloverton chips. There is quite a difference in the design of a motherboard for Conroe/Kentfield and for Woodcrest/Cloverton. So using Kentfield would mean a very substantial redesign, and you still wouldn't get more than four cores. Using Cloverton for an eight core machine would be much easier. If all the Mac Pros were shipping with Conroe chips, then it would be the other way round.
The first generation of four core chips will be just two dual core chips in one package, so I doubt they will be much cheaper than two separate dual core chips. You can expect eight core machines at some point in the future, but don't expect machines with a single Cloverton that are much cheaper than the quad core machines today.
Evangelion said:
And you get the limitations of WiFi as well. IF your cable/DSL modem is downstairs or something like that, fine, but otherwise why would you not hook up directly to router and get faster speeds than WiFi?.. Especially if your router is Gigabit?...
I don't get why Fry's is dumping those puny drives. I have tons of 10 GB drives just laying around my office shelves. They're bound to be good for something. Even a 40 GB SCSI drive from 1998. It's huge!shelterpaw said:About once a month Fry's sells the Seagate SATA II 3.0 300GB drives for $99.00. August 4th they had 400GB SATA 300 drive for $139.99. Right now they have a 10GB Ultra DMA 100 drive for $14.99, don't everyone run over there at once.
Dell and how to ripoff customers
I just went to the Dell UK webpage and checked what a top-of-the-range machine would cost: Dell Precision 390 Workstation with one dual-core Conroe chip at 2.93 GHz, 4 x 500 GB harddisks, one 1GBit ethernet, 8 GB of RAM costs £11355 including tax, without shipping. There is no quad core (at least I couldn't find it).
Mac Pro, with TWO dual-core Woodcrest chips at 3.0 GHz each, 4 x 500 GB harddisks, two 1GBit ethernet, 8 GB of RAM, four Firewire ports, costs £4859, including tax, including shipping.
That is less than half the price. What a ripoff!
(We don't need to compare Windows and MacOS X here, because you can buy a copy of Windows and install it on the Mac if you feel like it. It is still less than half the price.)
I just went to the Dell UK webpage and checked what a top-of-the-range machine would cost: Dell Precision 390 Workstation with one dual-core Conroe chip at 2.93 GHz, 4 x 500 GB harddisks, one 1GBit ethernet, 8 GB of RAM costs £11355 including tax, without shipping. There is no quad core (at least I couldn't find it).
Mac Pro, with TWO dual-core Woodcrest chips at 3.0 GHz each, 4 x 500 GB harddisks, two 1GBit ethernet, 8 GB of RAM, four Firewire ports, costs £4859, including tax, including shipping.
That is less than half the price. What a ripoff!
(We don't need to compare Windows and MacOS X here, because you can buy a copy of Windows and install it on the Mac if you feel like it. It is still less than half the price.)
gnasher729 said:
Not only that, Dell is the worst compony in the world to deal with. Look at the XPS 700 fiasco. Its a nightmare.
stuartluff said:Erm... thats kind of stupid! Why dont you just pay for the expensive card and use it on both OS's?
Why pay extra for a crappier card just to run OSX?
well i wasn't sure that OSX will support the Nvidia 7950GX2 since it's a PC graphics card...
so by this you mean the Mac Pro will take the Nvidia 7950GX2 for OSX and Windows??
macenforcer said:I would bet the crucial ram does not come with that big heatsink seen on the apple ram but thats nothing that something that some vga heatsinks won't cure. Just stick em on. I actually have a set sitting here. OR it could just be a marketing ploy.
This page has some photos of the ram heatsinks. Does not look like any of the aftermarket ram comes with the heat sink, so for the extra $100 I am okay with the Apple installed memory just not to worry about this heatsink issue.
I can see where one may be more inclined to experiment with this if you are adding more than the extra one gig I am. The aftermarket savings could really add up with a eight gig or so upgrade.
Weaselboy said:
The ram will be fine with whatever it comes with from crucial. There is a big fan blowing on them. I wouldn't worry about it.
Are they in stores? I might get one tomorrow. I think someone will buy my free iPod Nano.Glassbathroom said:
I've read some reports that the CPU's may be swappable, but judging by the price on newegg, I think that wont be happening for quite some time. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...0706986+1050922423&Submit=ENE&Subcategory=343
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* Intel Xeon 5160 Woodcrest 1333MHz FSB Socket 771 Processor Model HH80556KJ0804M - OEM
64 bit Support: Yes
Hyper-Threading Support: No
L1 Cache: 32KB+32KB
L2 Cache: 2 x 2MB
Multi-Core: Dual-Core
Operating Frequency: 3.0GHz
Process Type: 65 nm
Series: Xeon
Virtualization Technology Support: Yes
Vista Ready: Yes
* Model #: HH80556KJ0804M
* Item #: N82E16819117100
* Out Of Stock
* $4.99 Three Day Shipping
* Move item to Wish ListMove To Wish List
* $916.99
so two of these will cost you a mere 1833.98.
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* Intel Xeon 5160 Woodcrest 1333MHz FSB Socket 771 Processor Model HH80556KJ0804M - OEM
64 bit Support: Yes
Hyper-Threading Support: No
L1 Cache: 32KB+32KB
L2 Cache: 2 x 2MB
Multi-Core: Dual-Core
Operating Frequency: 3.0GHz
Process Type: 65 nm
Series: Xeon
Virtualization Technology Support: Yes
Vista Ready: Yes
* Model #: HH80556KJ0804M
* Item #: N82E16819117100
* Out Of Stock
* $4.99 Three Day Shipping
* Move item to Wish ListMove To Wish List
* $916.99
so two of these will cost you a mere 1833.98.
1999 400MHz G4 Sawtooth -> 2006 2.66GHz Quad Mac Pro A Mind Blowing Leap
Going from a 400MHz G4 - That is the original 1999 G4, I think, to the base 2.66 Quad Mac Pro is going to freaking blow your mind. Base Minus the 250 to 160 perhaps plus Bluetooth is going to be the way to go IM not so HO.
Remember, you are going to have to pay $688 for FOUR 1GB RAM Sticks. Or at least $344 for two. And 250-SATA/300 HDs cost around $60-$70 now. So dumbing down the base HD is like getting a 160 GB drive FREE.
Hope you are able to screw up the courage to pull the trigger sooner than later. You are definitely running on extremely slow borrowed time - lots of borrowed time that you will be able to save as soon as you take the plunge to Mac Pro.
Greenjeens' 7 Year ItchGreenjeens said:
Going from a 400MHz G4 - That is the original 1999 G4, I think, to the base 2.66 Quad Mac Pro is going to freaking blow your mind. Base Minus the 250 to 160 perhaps plus Bluetooth is going to be the way to go IM not so HO.
Remember, you are going to have to pay $688 for FOUR 1GB RAM Sticks. Or at least $344 for two. And 250-SATA/300 HDs cost around $60-$70 now. So dumbing down the base HD is like getting a 160 GB drive FREE.
Hope you are able to screw up the courage to pull the trigger sooner than later. You are definitely running on extremely slow borrowed time - lots of borrowed time that you will be able to save as soon as you take the plunge to Mac Pro.
BootCamp: Windows XP 64?
Can anyone verify what version of Windows is need to run Bootcamp - or even Parallels? Xeon is 64 bit. Do I need to get Windows XP Pro 64? Of course I just bought a full version of trhe 32-bt XP in anticiaption of my Mac Pro order!
Can anyone verify what version of Windows is need to run Bootcamp - or even Parallels? Xeon is 64 bit. Do I need to get Windows XP Pro 64? Of course I just bought a full version of trhe 32-bt XP in anticiaption of my Mac Pro order!