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I have one on my desk at the office. SMC motherboard, dual Xeons, NVIDIA cards, LSI RAID card. "Only" 16 GB RAM though - it isn't for production but for prototyping and testing. It cost far less than a "loaded" Mac pro - even with Win2K8 or Win2K12 installed.

I build and ship these things all the time. With the Mac Pro you're paying for decor and the ability to run OS X without resorting to hacks.

Lol...why lie? Please show evidence. Every time I've tried I always come up with equal to or more expensive.
 
This is simply not true. I am a one man business and certainly not "elite" in income level. I simply managed to save a little out of each gig this year until I had enough to get a middle-of-the-road model when it comes out. Hyperbole much?

I'm possibly in the same situation. Still working on starting. Want to eliminate the monstrous box of parts PC I've been using for photography AND replace my dead music machine MacBook Pro 3,1, both with one powerful Mac. I'm poor, but the money set aside is targeted at a spwcific computer... I've certainly learned my lessons building PC garbage. Integrated single vendor computing appliance only, from here on.
 
That makes a lot of sense, actually. Software licensing for some products may be the only drawback.

Most of the creative software I use has web based portable licensing plus usually allows for 2 activations per licence but I was also wondering if an app on one mp can directly benefit from being connected to the second mp?

I know standard network rendering is an example if this but are there even more direct benefits possible with mavericks on a realtime CPU or GPU level?
 
Given the indicated prices is there any sense in getting 2x 6cores with minor upgrades compared to one max'd out one for the same value?

Additional render node
4 decent graphics cards
Backup machine

Just an idea....

Does anyone know if two machines can be connected to almost act as one, combining resources?
They are grid-able with IP over TB2!

The benefits would be compute power, not backup or accessory attachment. You can attach a dizzying array of attachments to a single MacPro. Additional MacPro(s) would be best as a grid or array. Can't wait to see the renders of 2x and 4x MacPro installations as well as racks of sideways colo wind turbines shifting air from cold to hot all day long.

Rocketman
 
Wonder why high end computers are not all built as a tube shape then?

Perhaps if you look at the Servers Apple uses in their server farms, they will be round ones?

One announced today 4000 times the speed of a typical desktop computer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25367825

Strange they are not using this tube design isn't it.

Not even remotely comparable. That's computer power by parallel processing. It's meant to be installed and scaled part by part and could never be in a single enclosure. It needs rooms to live in, not a spot on your desk or floor. Rooms are built as boxes. They're not building special rooms for these racks of CPU housings.

There's no reason whatsoever to use that as a benchmark for individual professional computing appliance design.
 
Wow, prices are way higher then I thought. I was looking towards a 6 to 8 core, 1TB flash and around 16GB RAM. So far, with these prices it is looking like it might be far out of my price range.

The 6 core, 16gb ram, 256gb flash is $3,999 which is ok. However, that is *WAY* too small of a drive. I can't spend more then $1,000 more :(
 
Concerning why they made it a tube, I'm not a fluid dynamics expert but I imagine there's a reason wind tunnels are built as long tubes.

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Here's an article about Apple's business and "loyalty" discounts.

http://www.informationweek.com/desktop/apple-discounts-for-big-loyal-buyers/d/d-id/1108035?

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Just a minor quibble: businesses like mine, a Schedule C LLC, don't pay property taxes on things like computer equipment, and we can depreciate such purchases all at once in the same year we make them. I am concerned to get this MP money I've set aside spent to get the 2013 tax break, but it's no difference to me whether they deliver in 2013 or 2014.

Most wind-tunnels have a square cross-section. Google "NASA AMES Research Center". :apple:
 
Cook is a logistics expert. They have other areas to focus on now, look at Apple's revenue slices. They care about getting out millions of iPhone 5s devices before the holidays.

Not even the iPod line gets much love in 2013, it was the nascent growth area for the company in 2003 and the following years. Times change, priorities change.

Ten years ago AAPL stock would have tanked if the Mac Pro was late, nowadays the entire Mac product line (including the more popular portables) is just 10-15% of Apple's revenue. Wall Street doesn't care if the Pro is late.

I think it was a relief they even designed a new Mac Pro, its contribution to total revenue (beyond the initial sales spike from creative and business professionals who waited impatiently) will be minuscule.

There were people saying XServe was important strategically for business sales even if the numbers were small. As we all know it's gone now. Mac Pro may be bigger but still minuscule for Apple as of late 2013.

No offence but you know what, I don't care about their revenue mix or list of priorities or wall street. I'm setting up a new business and I need to buy a Mac Pro. That's all I care about. Why launch at the end of December if they're busy selling iPads for Christmas. Didn't they know Christmas was in December? Apple seem to have no idea that business customers have deadlines to meet, business plans to execute, timetables for computer upgrades.

It's not surprising they don't even use their own computers in their own data centres. If they did we'd all still be twiddling our thumbs waiting for iCloud or whatever they use them for.

The Pro market might not be all that important to Apple anymore but they would do well to remember that all those film and design studios using the Mac is what made them cool in the first place. And all those great apps for iOS that Apple rely on sell the iPhone and iPad, well they have been created by people working on a Mac. Lose them and the Mac ain't so cool anymore.
 
They are grid-able with IP over TB2!

The benefits would be compute power, not backup or accessory attachment. You can attach a dizzying array of attachments to a single MacPro. Additional MacPro(s) would be best as a grid or array. Can't wait to see the renders of 2x and 4x MacPro installations as well as racks of sideways colo wind turbines shifting air from cold to hot all day long.

Rocketman

Ok, thanks for the info, so then would you actually get more computing power with 2 minor upgraded 6 core models as opposed to one fully spec'd mp for the same price with the additional benefits of having 2 machines?
 
For that price I would expect to have intel processors, people who fixes computers knows that the life spam of the AMD is way shorter than intel plus intel is more efficient

Have you ever read any articles on the Mac Pro ... like, EVER?
 
Wow, prices are way higher then I thought. I was looking towards a 6 to 8 core, 1TB flash and around 16GB RAM. So far, with these prices it is looking like it might be far out of my price range.

The 6 core, 16gb ram, 256gb flash is $3,999 which is ok. However, that is *WAY* too small of a drive. I can't spend more then $1,000 more :(

Pretty sure the upgrade to 1 TB from 256 GB will be around $1000 or less. On a 15" MacBook Pro it's $800. At the Education store it's $680
 
Wow, prices are way higher then I thought. I was looking towards a 6 to 8 core, 1TB flash and around 16GB RAM. So far, with these prices it is looking like it might be far out of my price range.

The 6 core, 16gb ram, 256gb flash is $3,999 which is ok. However, that is *WAY* too small of a drive. I can't spend more then $1,000 more :(
Based on the other Macs, the 1tb SSD upgrade will run you $800. The 512gb would only be $300.
 
Definitely will buy one...

… on day one… Been using an old mac pro + 30" ACD for too long… This seems like the ideal machine to me. I do a lot of photography with my Nikon d800 (raw files are 45 mb), use photoshop CC a lot with Nik software and I will definitely enjoying the raw power of this baby… I will look at the Pegasus 2 R4 external storage to start… My only disappointment so far is the display… I do not know if/when Apple will come up with a new display that matches the quality of the one I use today (ACD is really fantastic, even after all these years!)

My choice so far:
- $3,999 Mac model
- 16 Gb Ram seems enough to me
- 512 Hb Internal Storage
- I will look at upgrading to the AMD 700 if the price is not too prohibitive
 
We will see how proprietary this system is. If its all proprietary, including memory, then NO THANKS! Apple has been on a roll down the proprietary hardware track. You should be able to do basic upgrades on any system and certainly a desktop pro system like this.

My guess is proprietary memory and video options to force the purchases from Apple.

Video is proprietary. Storage is proprietary (but OWC sells a compatible replacement for the proprietary storage in other Macs, so I would expect they do similar with new Mac Pro storage in future).

RAM appears to not be proprietary. But the RAM is server style, not desktop style (ECC), which is more expensive than standard non-ECC RAM.

The machine is not built as a box of parts. It is built as an appliance. It is modular enough in build to have a professional service person replace parts (like Apple service), but seeing as the GPUs and motherboard are all bound to the central cooling structure, I wouldn't recommend such a job be done by just anyone. There's probably thermal paste in there. It's not like trading cards in a slot. It's like changing a CPU. I'd be clear on where the replacement parts come from and what technique Apple service uses to do the replacement, before attempting self-service.
 
Wow, prices are way higher then I thought. I was looking towards a 6 to 8 core, 1TB flash and around 16GB RAM. So far, with these prices it is looking like it might be far out of my price range.

The 6 core, 16gb ram, 256gb flash is $3,999 which is ok. However, that is *WAY* too small of a drive. I can't spend more then $1,000 more :(

The price of external SSD drives has fallen a bit in the past few months. Shop around and you can get a 512GB or a 1TB SSD for under a grand.

Or better still you can get this LaCie 1TB Thunderbolt SSD for $999 on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/LaCie-Little-...f=sr_1_16?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1387053569&sr=1-16
 
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Compared to my late 2011 MBP

I would love to know how much better the standard 6 core model would compare to my late 2011 MBP which has a quad i7 processor.

I know the graphics would be hugely improved but what about the processors? The ram and drive are not such an issue since they are not generally the bottlenecks in my everyday workflow.

If anyone could roughly compare the processors I would be grateful (I've tried looking on the web but can't find a comparison test).
 
The lower end configurations are within the "prosumer" price range. How do I know this? I am a "prosumer," and I will be buying one. [...]

[...] I can afford something close to $3,000. That's what makes me a "prosumer." I strongly suspect I am not alone, not nearly alone, in this category.

Not nearly alone, no. As an artist and musician who happens to be dirt poor, the computer upgrade money set aside for me some time ago has been waiting for this exact computer. Going to see how the first few months go, and then dive in and try to leave the Windows roach motel for good (though considering keeping the old beast PC for not-cutting-edge games, or maybe having a gaming Windows partition on the Mac Pro; not sure yet).

There are many like us (many with way more money than myself), who want a single-manufacturer computing appliance, rather than a box of variously incompatible parts.
 
Lol.... $10k.... i'll take 5 maxed out iMacs please.

I think you mean a little over two. A fully stocked iMac is $4000. I bought one near full specs recently as I couldn't justify a mid level MacPro. The top line MacPro will blow my brand new machine out of the water, and I'm 100 % ok with that as my machine foes not generate any money for me.
 
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/aventum-ii.asp

And look at the cooling solutions. Think about it, Apple has just innovated right past that "Brazil" (the movie) organic mass of liquid and air cooling. :apple:

PC with double the price of my nMP config.
Have to be crazy to pay so much for Windows machine with consumer level components. Even with liquid cooling toss in, it's still overpriced Windows machine.

I am perfectly fine with Apple's air cooling.
 
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