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Personally, the problem I have with the Mac Pro is that it only has one internal SSD with a maximum of 1TB. Now, when you configure it like that right from the start, considering the fact that the internal SSD is extremely fast, it would actually give some value back, because SSDs of this caliber currently are extremely expensive. However, if you ever need more and also fast storage (and you do) the only the option of external Thunderbolt drives is just wrong. It´s so wrong in fact, that the Mac Pro just becomes so much more expensive (because there´s no competition and manufacturers of such niche products can ask what they want) that it´s only touching the business customers, if at all.

There´s a reason why Apple lost a lot of businesses that went to MS. And it´s not only about hardware. It seems that Apple wants to continue their high-margin strategy and because they now build/assemble them in the US, they need to make up for that with the price tags.

Apple could do so much more, but they don´t seem to be interested in competing, they just want to dig another niche hole so they can secure their shrinking customer base and milk every last bit of money out of them as long as they can.
 
So does that mean you're looking to pick up a used Kia?

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Maybe you're distracted, but I'm making year-end business purchases to lighten my tax burden.

Couldn't wait for Apple's promises, went with the old 12-core.

Santa comes but once a year, but the tax-man is there everyday.

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Wait til next year and buy a refurb.

Great thanks for the feedback...are you selling a used Kia? If so I'm interested:D
 
Enlighten me, instead of writing a generic condescending statement that has no meaning other than ad hominem attack.

Those very same people have been making do with the vary devices I've mentioned for the past 2-3 years. I don't see how it shows "how little" I know.


Ahem... I have been working with a 2008 iMac. My photography/video business has increased significantly so that instead of a great part time job, it's morphed into a full time gig. When I'm rendering 4500 individual photos into a time-lapse, it takes time. A lot of time with my current set up. When I'm editing in 4k video, it takes more time. I'd rather have the job out the door faster, especially when dead lines are looming, than waiting for the project to finalize.

So yes, although I've been making do for the past 2-3 years, it's time to step up to a powerful system and the nMP appears to be just what I'm looking for.
 
When I'm rendering 4500 individual photos into a time-lapse, it takes time. A lot of time with my current set up. When I'm editing in 4k video, it takes more time. I'd rather have the job out the door faster, especially when dead lines are looming, than waiting for the project to finalize.

I am curious. What program are you using to render the individual photos into a time-lapse? It seems to me that such a project shouldn't take that long if the program is properly optimized.
 
Concerning why they made it a tube, I'm not a fluid dynamics expert but I imagine there's a reason wind tunnels are built as long tubes.

it's a tube because the main idea, the backbone behind the entire concept, is that of a jet engine.

more specifically, this jet's engine:

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Any day that includes a picture of a Blackbird is a good one. :cool:

there's a really interesting thread on the mac pro forum giving insight to the genesis of the nmp design..


https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1677182/


i don't know, the OP was ridiculed throughout and a lot of people seemed to miss out on some interesting info which is generally kept out of public eye regarding design conception.. maybe force yourself into an open minded state prior to clicking on the link.
 
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The original Mac Pro (first generation 2006 model) turned out to be a pretty reliable, worthy machine. I believe the first generation of the PowerMac G5 tower was also generally regarded as a hit.

True, in both of those cases (as is true with almost ALL Mac products), waiting for a second or third revision meant getting a number of incremental improvements. But for the type of users who'd normally want a system of this sort in the first place, I would think the advantage of owning and being able to use it for the year or so you'd otherwise wait for the next revision would outweigh the negatives?

Nothing says you can't resell it after a year or two and move up to the newer revision anyway?

Now, whether it's "overpriced" is a different story. It definitely will be if it turns out not to be rock solid reliable! Otherwise, I don't know that you can avoid a large part of the pricing, given the components used? Xeon class CPUs from Intel are always sold at huge premiums over regular Pentium 4 counterparts..... The graphics cards are arguably overpriced, but more as an "across the board" statement than anything that's Apple's fault. (A case can be made that these "workstation class" video cards fetching $800+ each are a ripoff, whether for Mac or Windows PC, when they're almost identical to the 3D gaming card counterparts selling for a third of their asking price.)


To be exact the mac pro form factor was used on the g5 version before that. So what they learned from the g5 towers they applied it on the new xeon ones. The tower was streamlined quite a lot on the xeon versions.
This one hasn't been used before at all and on top of that they haven't used such a restricting form factor heat wise.
I hope I'll be proved wrong but I think there we'll be a lot of threads with heat issues. We'll see!
 
Ahem... I have been working with a 2008 iMac. My photography/video business has increased significantly so that instead of a great part time job, it's morphed into a full time gig. When I'm rendering 4500 individual photos into a time-lapse, it takes time. A lot of time with my current set up. When I'm editing in 4k video, it takes more time. I'd rather have the job out the door faster, especially when dead lines are looming, than waiting for the project to finalize.

So yes, although I've been making do for the past 2-3 years, it's time to step up to a powerful system and the nMP appears to be just what I'm looking for.

Similarly:
I'm an editor. I've been using a Mac Pro 3,1 since early 2009, and it's been good, but it could be better. Hours and hours of my time is spent transcoding RED R3D files into workable formats, exporting quicktimes of cuts, and compressing those quicktimes into smaller vimeo-sized quicktimes for clients to view. For a feature film, the whole process takes an extremely long time. The new mac pro will reduce the hours of file crunching so I can spend less time waiting and more time working. And that's important, because I'm paid by the week or by the project, not by the hour. Also, sluggish rendering of effects in the timeline can really bog down the flow of an editing session. If that can be faster, I'll be happy.

I only waited this long because the alternatives (Mac Pro 4,1 and 5,1) didn't seem substantially better for the money. The nMP does.

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To be exact the mac pro form factor was used on the g5 version before that. So what they learned from the g5 towers they applied it on the new xeon ones. The tower was streamlined quite a lot on the xeon versions.
This one hasn't been used before at all and on top of that they haven't used such a restricting form factor heat wise.
I hope I'll be proved wrong but I think there we'll be a lot of threads with heat issues. We'll see!

I think you're dead wrong. The new Mac Pro's design is COMPLETELY based on dealing with heat. That's probably what it will do best. And I'm sure the Apple engineers know exactly what they can get away with in that regard.
 
maybe force yourself into an open minded state prior to clicking on the link.

I found the OP's points to be interesting, and I found nothing in his/her assertions objectionable at face value.

I must confess to some puzzlement about how the OP handled requests to validate "insider" credentials. I've seen people hiding behind personas on the 'net make some pretty brassy claims they couldn't back up. A simple, "I can't reveal too much about my source else someone could lose their job" might have gone a long way.

I like the SR-71 idea, just because it appeals to me, so I'm willing to let it ride as is despite my skepticism about the source.
 
I found the OP's points to be interesting, and I found nothing in his/her assertions objectionable at face value.

I must confess to some puzzlement about how the OP handled requests to validate "insider" credentials. I've seen people hiding behind personas on the 'net make some pretty brassy claims they couldn't back up. A simple, "I can't reveal too much about my source else someone could lose their job" might have gone a long way.

I like the SR-71 idea, just because it appeals to me, so I'm willing to let it ride as is despite my skepticism about the source.

yeah, of course i understand the skepticism.. he'll talk with you if you have questions but maybe one of the more telling things he wrote in the thread was:

"The design elements speak for themselves and these elements were not "suggested" after the fact. They were the primary ideas in the first document."

in essence, at some point, his credibility (or whatever) doesn't even have to factor into the equation.. the design does speak for itself-- it tells you its ancestry.. and it's pretty obvious it's jet-engine inspired coupled with further elements which direct it towards a specific plane.
 
but then i also see many pro applications which were previously windows only moving over to mac.. and not just some cheesy porting either. real mac programs

Most of those over the past few years were ported from Linux rather than Windows.
 
Most of those over the past few years were ported from Linux rather than Windows.

ha.. i barely know anything about linux but interesting to hear those programs being brought over to mac as well..

i was thinking (and probably should of typed it in the first place) about the apps used in my industry.. design/architecture/engineering/etc

rhino is one example.. most of the autodesk suite is coming over.. most of the rendering programs are on mac now. (though i don't really expect to see catia or solidworks and the likes moving to mac)

mac has always been the black sheep in CAD/architecture land and it's (seemingly) poised to become much more viable in the various sub-fields.
 
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Question. I of course right now can't afford it as I'm a broke college student. But I'm trying to see what businesses would buy this and how would this Pro be better than, say, a considerable (*ahem) Dell? Some of the configurations get near $10,000 and I doubt that the computer will be used for more than 5 years.

Any industry pros here than can give me some insight? Extremely curious about this stuff. Thanks.
 
Question. I of course right now can't afford it as I'm a broke college student. But I'm trying to see what businesses would buy this and how would this Pro be better than, say, a considerable (*ahem) Dell? Some of the configurations get near $10,000 and I doubt that the computer will be used for more than 5 years.

Any industry pros here than can give me some insight? Extremely curious about this stuff. Thanks.

fwiw, there's a poll thread on the mac pro forum which gives a hint of which the highest selling configs will be.. most of them will be in the sub $5000 range and i assume very few people will actually be buying $10k versions.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1679643/


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and really, if you think about it, $1000/year is a relatively cheap business expense..
i mean, i know a couple of good ol boys who have work trucks for their remodeling(etc) businesses and they're spending a lot more than 1000/year on their trucks alone..
 
fwiw, there's a poll thread on the mac pro forum which gives a hint of which the highest selling configs will be.. most of them will be in the sub $5000 range and i assume very few people will actually be buying $10k versions.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1679643/



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The only thing with that is that may be skewed a little bit considering we're not sure how many industry pros are on this site vs consumers. Interesting though.

This article just made me think is all.

Then again my mom just spent $300 on a Kitchen Aid and I'm still trying to figure out why (she's a chef, so..).
 
Personally, the problem I have with the Mac Pro is that it only has one internal SSD with a maximum of 1TB. Now, when you configure it like that right from the start, considering the fact that the internal SSD is extremely fast, it would actually give some value back, because SSDs of this caliber currently are extremely expensive. However, if you ever need more and also fast storage (and you do) the only the option of external Thunderbolt drives is just wrong.

It looks like the PCIe SSD is removable/replaceable.

Hopefully someone will make an aftermarket PCIe SSD available. This would be a popular upgrade item.

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The only thing with that is that may be skewed a little bit considering we're not sure how many industry pros are on this site vs consumers. Interesting though.

This article just made me think is all.

yeah, i've seen a lot of that kind of talk around here too.. she says in the article:

"eagle-eyed pro users facing an impending purchase may notice that this pricey computer falls down in at least one crucial aspect: expandability."

while apple claims it's the most expandable computer they've ever created..

so there are two polar opposite things being said and the reality is that it will probably fall somewhere in the middle.. (and even then, i personally imagine it to fall more closely to what apple is claiming)

it's just one of the things which is going to take another year or so to see how it pans out in real world working environments.




Then again my mom just spent $300 on a Kitchen Aid and I'm still trying to figure out why (she's a chef, so..).
heh.. i just bought one of those exact things for an xmas present for my girl..
 
This article just made me think is all.

Interesting article, thanks for sharing the link. Actually my last two laptops came in north of $3k each--and only one of them was from Apple. My nMP pain will probably be closer to $5k once I've seen the actual options and can spec what I need.

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in essence, at some point, his credibility (or whatever) doesn't even have to factor into the equation.. the design does speak for itself-- it tells you its ancestry.. and it's pretty obvious it's jet-engine inspired coupled with further elements which direct it towards a specific plane.

I confess I'd be curious about what actual design inspirations the team took when they came up with this computer, but in the end that's not nearly as important IMO as what the end user takes from it. Design aesthetic is literally in the eye (and mind) of the beholder. If I see the nMP and it evokes an SR-71 engine nacelle, then so be it, and no one has the credentials to gainsay what I see. Likewise if someone sees a trash can.

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Hopefully someone will make an aftermarket PCIe SSD available. This would be a popular upgrade item.

That would indeed be sweet. OWC is already advertising they'll have nMP memory upgrades ready soon, I wonder how long it will take them to step up to this (assuming it's feasible).
 
That would indeed be sweet. OWC is already advertising they'll have nMP memory upgrades ready soon, I wonder how long it will take them to step up to this (assuming it's feasible).

the thing which is a bummer about 3rd party upgrades is that most of the components apple is using lately are proprietary.. apple has ultimate control of when such parts can be released as well as greater control over how much those items will cost.. regardless of who the manufacturers/sellers are.

for instance, with owc, they're not currently selling 1TB ssds for the latest macbooks.. that, i suspect, is apple's doing and not some sort of technical issue encountered by owc.
 
Hackintonshs are a hack. Not a workable machine. You waste time and money juggling them and never know if they are going to work from day to day.

And yet they are the ONLY option for a home user.

Please tell me what PCIe card you want to stick in it. 99% will work via thunderbolt - Yes I know that's not internal. But What do you want in there?

I'm not sure, but I know what cards I put in my PowerMac I used as my home server until late 2012. The point is that new stuff comes out (as those with 2011 Macs with Thunderbolt but without USB3 quickly found out) and no expansion means no product. Yes, you have Thunderbolt. Show me a Thunderbolt to USB3 hub that is actually for sale, let alone for a reasonable price. I mean have you even noticed that Thunderbolt products are RIDICULOUSLY expensive? Expect to pay 2-3x as much for the same hard drive running at the same speed with a Thunderbolt connector instead of USB3. Yes, the extreme high-end in drives are nice on Thunderbolt, but everything else works just fine on USB3 and costs a hell of a lot less.

And sorry you appear to have been on here since 2007. In what world do you think they would choose an external Case?!!?

WTF said anything about them actually doing that? I saying what they SHOULD do because they have exactly JACK SQUAT to offer for a high-end home user. And no iMacs aren't a good solution. They are garbage. They have become more and more of a PITA to upgrade ANYTHING in them and replacing an entire computer to get a better hard drive or stringing out tons of external CRAP on my desk isn't a great solution. I've got a perfectly nice spot for a tower under my desk where it takes up no additional desktop space. I guess Apple has never heard of a Tower since their new one is more like a trash can and doesn't really work for towers are meant to work (e.g. under desks designed for them and who really wants that horrible looking thing on TOP of their desk with a half dozen external boxes connected to it because it has no internal expansion?

Now I said I want a HOME box (i.e. the mythical XMac), but not a Pro box, but there's a whole thread on Pro machines and why this thing is a total STINKER for them too. Yeah, it's probably a wet dream for small facility people using Final Cut X, but from what I've read, most of the REAL Pros out there have a lot of existing equipment and this thing isn't designed to accommodate them at all. Apple might as well have sent them a letter telling them to move to Windows. And so sorry, but your total lack of argument to support this massively overpriced POS completely underwhelms me.

This is a Pro machine throughout and if you think it's too expensive then you either don't need it or don't realise that you should be paying if off in a few jobs... and writing it off via tax anyway.

Yeah, you didn't read my post at all. I was talking about Apple total lack of high-end home machines that a power home user could do everything from home video to gaming (with or without BootCamp) and how the ONLY viable option is a Hackintosh if you want to keep OSX since only a moron would buy this thing to game on when they could get something more powerful for 1/3 the price with a Hackintosh. So it's not supposed to be a home machine. No kidding. Where is their home machine? An iMac is not a feasible game machine either. As people have said for YEARS, Apple is ignoring entire market segments (and have dumped other ones like servers where they made very little real effort to compete). So I'm supposed to buy an entire second (Windows) computer just for gaming then when OSX offers BootCamp? There's a gold mine of an untapped market there and Apple continues to ignore it.

I've mentioned this a few times already but this thing has as much raw power as a supercomputer from only 10 years ago, would have been the 8th fastest machine on the planet in 2003 in fact.

So what? You can buy a Pro Windows machine too (with the missing expansion). The stupid worthless case is irrelevant to speed. If Apple wants to ignore both Pros and power home users they could at least license those particular market segments out to a 3rd party. Just tossing away a good chunk of the Pro market, dumping the Pro server market entirely and ignoring the Power home users who want to do everything from game to make their own music and videos all on one machine is pretty short sighted in my opinion and the ONLY argument I've EVER seen from people like you is that Apple is making "profit" and so they MUST be right. Yeah, their profits largely come from iOS these days and the Mac is getting less and less priority and so if Macs are your bag, you're going to end up disappointed sooner or later. Look how LONG it took them to bring this Mac Trashcan to market. It's obvious it hasn't been a priority in the slightest to them and this ugly design is straight from Johnny Blind Eyes Ives, the same guy who is trying to ruin the iPhone with the ugliest, buggiest iOS ever.
 
Way too much speculation on both sides. Why can't people just wait for the damn thing to be released. Let users in the real-world get their hands on it, mess around with it for a few months and then come to a conclusion.

It'll either epically fail or completely change the industry. I understand the arguments on both sides, but as usual, no one really knows.

Time is the only thing that will make or break this nMP.
 
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