Can't wait to see one in the refurb store.![]()
Oh yes, that's much better.. Good call.
Can't wait to see one in the refurb store.![]()
Man...that's alot of money for a computer. I mean, I'm all for paying for quality, but it's honestly kind of hard to imagine getting ten grand out of a desktop...
I bought a SGI box in 93 that cost $100k...
I feel like I'm signing on to be your cheerleader, but I'm in total agreement with this post. When my shop ran Microsoft products I had to worry about things like what components were inside the box, would they play nicely with each other, and the inevitable driver quirks. Even when I bought an expensive, boutique "hand crafted" PC I ended up having odd hard drive behavior and had to waste time researching why the driver was flakey and how to get and install an older one that was supposed to "fix" it.
I consider every minute that a creative spends doing IT chores to be wasted, unproductive time. When I switched to (legitimate) Apple systems I was rewarded with hardware components that were not bought in assorted lots from the lowest bidder, and software designed specifically to run on them.
And I've said it before: I consider "hackintoshes" to be unethical. Maybe it's part and parcel of over 23 years in uniform, but I value ethics highly and have no patience for piracy or other illegal activities. Not in my shop.
The "little power" is directly connected to the lack of internal expansion. With only one drive and a graphic card, the older MP's would probably also stay below 450W.
If you externally attach the same amount of drives and other expansions to the nMP that have been possible internally with former MacPro revisions, you will probably see power consumption of the nMP being similar to that of the old boxes (granted - the performance/Watt ratio should be better with the nMP).
As for Hackintoshes - I think they are fine for Personal use and projects etc. I suspect even Apple don't mind that it's all about getting people involved. And I don't like them being used in business. I won't work in a company with them.
and with many Apple employees having time off around the holidays, the company would likely prefer to avoid conflicts with the holidays as much as possible.
But then you will have a rat-nest of cables running all over your desk.
That's partly Apple's fault for running down and discontinuing the old Mac Pro before the new Pro was out of the starting gate - they should have run the two side-by-side for a while.
A computer priced for less than 1% of the entire world population.
Yet another soft launch due to component shortages????
I thought Tim Cook was supposed to be a logistics expert. Maybe he needs more training in supply chain management.
What a shambles!
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Chances are it won't do either. Workstations are a tiny niche part of the marketplace. If it fails, we'll never know - they'll just stop development and stop selling it a few years from now (like we thought was happening with the old Mac Pro).
It's not going to sell in bucket loads, although it will sell better than it would if it looked like a butt-ugly Dell workstation. I can't see that side of the market putting in the R&D to develop something similar.
Wonder why high end computers are not all built as a tube shape then?
Perhaps if you look at the Servers Apple uses in their server farms, they will be round ones?
I could buy a mac pro tomorrow (if it was out) but I suspect whist it's going to be great at content creation it's going to lag behind a high end (half it's price) PC for entertainment performance.
Can someone please confirm that the new Mac Pro does indeed have a cooling fan, presumably at the base) with the tips of the fan blades are indeed just withing the internal diameter of the circular case as has been explained her as the reason for the round form factor.
I wonder if Weta or Industrial Light and Magic plan on acquiring this as their main platform.
It was Tim Cook's decision to essentially outsource almost every aspect of Apple's manufacturing and source almost all of their components externally. I've argued for years that was a mistake because it inevitably leads to problems, delays and manufacturing issues.
Thunderbolt devices are priced for the professional user and not consumers. Which typically hook up to professional equipment.
Because most all-in-one computers ( PC's included ) most are not much user upgradable to begin with, perhaps besides memory.
We are in the post-PC era. Home-user box desktop computers are getting smaller everyday. You think emachines are hard to come by, the desktop
There is not enough money in the home/power user. What, perhaps maybe a half a percent?!?
Well no they are the only option for you. 95% of public / home users don't care about upgrading any computer.
My parents have been using an bottom spec iMac since 2008 ( geek bench = 1099) and it's still boot in less than a minute and even plays all the games they buy on the App Store.
It' snot going to run much 3d high end games or Run FCPx with many layers.
But he edits all his home vids happily... and even current a mac mini is over 12x as fast! Actually the current Mini faster than my 8core mac pro in every test ( bar some 3d tests the 285gtx beats it on. )
All this Spec chasing is utterly irrelevant to them and most of the population for a home computer - if they can Skype their kids They are happy. It's like witchcraft.
As for USB3 to thunderbolt... It has 4 usb3 ports built... just hub from that if you need to? Why would you want a TB to USB?
I am not saying in any way you are wrong. An upper Midrange mac could be great. But it's not going to happen just like the those horrible years when they licences Macintosh OS7 to other companies which were as horrible as every Hackingtosh I've seen... and I mean the stability and reliability - not the fact they were in beige boxes.
Not Apple's style to have two active systems on sale at the same time.
They have given out enough info about the specs etc well enough in advance that anyone just has to have the old style they can get it before those run out.
Unless you live in the EU where the 'classic' Mac Pro was discontinued almost a year ago, way before the nMP announcement… I don't know what the supply situation in the US is, although it vanished from the Apple store web page some time ago.
It's all on Apple's website so you can see it for yourself
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Big houses like that use render farms. So no, this won't be their main platform because that is the job of the farm.
Might they get them as work stations, perhaps. Although they probably won't rush to it since they have to have working systems and any machines that needed to be replaced have been. But as other machines die they could be replaced with this Mac Pro.
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Same way it was under Steve, who approved all of it. So much for blaming Tim for that issue.
The 6-core, 16GB, 1TB, D500 machine is $4559.
The 256SSD, 6-core, D700, 16GB RAM would be $4369 (+tax).
The 512SSD, 6-core, D700, 16GB RAM would be $4654 (+tax).
There is also a 8 core (+$1425) or 12 core (+$2850) available.
Dude chill...chill...chill. Apple doesn't need you to defend them--I am sure they have there big boy pants on. All these people are entitled to their opinion. Dude take a deep breathe and don't obsess. Criticism has it's value it helps improve the organization and make for the best outcomes................
Workstations are the only growth part part of the trad PC market!
This is From MaximumPC
According to JPR, the computer graphics hardware market will exceed $124 billion by 2016, up from an expected $107 billion in 2013, which itself is up from $93 billion in 2010.
And you might want to try not calling folks dude unless you are sure you are talking to one.
Pointing out facts is not obsessing. And criticism on a system like this is pointless because Apple doesn't act based on the thoughts of the self entitled folks on this or similar sites.
And you might want to try not calling folks dude unless you are sure you are talking to one.
Unfortunately, your entire post just sounds like a bunch of lame excuses for why Apple's choices suck.
Thunderbolt is for professionals? I've never seen it advertised as such or mentioned as such. Apple ships it on everything.
Why do I have to buy a $40 adapter just to plug a Mac into a standard monitor that uses DVI or HDMI. It's because Apple uses Mini-DP and most monitors out there don't use it either. I count a whopping 7 (including Apple's own) on the CNET site.
The REAL reason is, of course, obvious. It costs a lot because NO ONE ELSE USES IT. Small market = high prices. I mean where are all the PCs with Thunderbolt? It's been a couple of years. I don't see too many ( http://www.extremetech.com/computin...nges-thunderbolt-for-pcs-is-dead-in-the-water ). This can be traced back to Apple's exclusive (i.e. stupid short-sighted) agreement to give Macs sole access to Thunderbolt for the first year, thus ENSURING that the devices would not appear (too small a market to bother for 3rd parties).
This delayed the market for it while allowing USB3 to gather its own market in force. Hence today, USB3 is STANDARD and Thunderbolt is a JOKE. One would think that Apple would have learned something from the whole Firewire debacle
I mean SERIOUSLY, *IF* Apple wanted a PROFESSIONAL format with Thunderbolt, they would have KEPT the OPTICAL connection from DAY1.
Since when are "all-in-one" computers a significant part of the Windows desktop computing environment? They have NEVER been and thus your argument is a total attempt to ignore the fact that MOST Windows desktop PCs (not tablets or notebooks) are in fact still mini-towers with full expansion capabilities.
Furthermore, the ONLY reason iMacs sell in the numbers they do in the Mac world is that there is no other alternative to them for a home machine with reasonable specs.
I guarantee you if Apple offered a mini-tower with the same specs as a high-end iMac with the price of the monitor removed (e.g. let's say $2k) with full expansion capability, almost NO ONE would be buying that iMac.
All right folks!
First post but figured you'd want to hear. Talked with my local Mac dealer and he dug up some pricing structure:
The 6-core, 16GB, 1TB, D500 machine is $4559.
The 256SSD, 6-core, D700, 16GB RAM would be $4369 (+tax).
The 512SSD, 6-core, D700, 16GB RAM would be $4654 (+tax).
There is also a 8 core (+$1425) or 12 core (+$2850) available.
Looks like the 512 d700 is my next machine.
Interesting, thanks for sharing. So going by the one example above with a single variable (the first one), the 1TB storage option would cost $560 above the base 256GB.
I don't think it is going to be quite that cheap to get 1 TB. Looks like you basically took the number to upgrade to 512 GB and just doubled it.
On current macs with PCI SSD (the iMac for example) it costs $300 to go from 256 GB to 512 GB and $800 to go from 256 GB to 1 TB. I think most people are expecting about the same for this machine. (Note his figures show the first jump to be $285 instead of $300; as I said in my previous post, that makes me think there is a discount included in these prices).