Can't wait to see one in the refurb store.
Oh yes, that's much better.. Good call.
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Oh yes, that's much better.. Good call.
Starts at $24K....
http://www.boxxtech.com/Products/3dboxx-8950
Spec it right up and it's $50,840
But they may sell say 12 of these a year... so not really a model Apple would care about.
I bought a SGI box in 93 that cost $100k... an iPhone 5 is literally more powerful now by a substantial margin. But at the time it was earning 5K a day for the company.
The lack of fresh nMP news today leaves me time for musing. I did my first 3D modeling in grad school around '97 on an SGI Onyx running Designer's Workbench. Not sure what the rig cost, though. I expect the nMP will put it to shame performance-wise.
Well it's only the truth for the most part. I've had 7K armaris and 10K Boxx machines and they always had problems and the main problem was getting them fixed. It took weeks. I ended up having to buy new machines to get projects done.
I did have 1 problem with a 2 month old Mac Pro. But to be honest that was my fault. I blew out the PSU with some dodgy wiring in my office. But picked it up took it back to Apple and they swapped out there and then. That is the main reason I swapped everything to OSX. The only PC app I was beholden too was 3D Studio Max - that will only ever be windows due to the arcane mess of DLLs that drives it. But Discovered Cinema 4D and all is well in the world. I have no idea how I used to used 3DS now. It's interface is a complete mess.
As for Hackintoshes - I think they are fine for Personal use and projects etc. I suspect even Apple don't mind that it's all about getting people involved. And I don't like them being used in business. I won't work in a company with them. If only because I normally working on a project basis... I flew to Tulsa from London for a job with the shonkiest company ever - Got put in front of a 2006 base iMac to do a 3D and After effects job. After being promised a High end mac pro to use.... only to find a half built Hackintosh they could not network or get to stay on for more than 30 mins... I walked out the door and flew home. Still deciding if i should sue them.
And if you try and sell Hacks like Psystar did a few years back they will lawyer up.
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Sure - The point going back a thread was that MOST Macpros I have used freelancing only ever have 1 PCI slot or 1 Drive in the Monoliths. and they still need the 14 ( yes 14!!!!! ) fans going and the hefty PSU. These in a studio environment will be way more efficient. Possibly less so for a single machine IF you MAX it out to the theoretical old mac PRO. 4 x 10,000 raptors - ever PCI slot etc. But I have only ever seen 1 or 2 of those in some film edit suites... even then all the actual storage has been on fibre raids externally as has been for 6 years.
PCIe is the main bugbear with this thing. But all the naysayers have not actually come up with a Card that will fail to work over TB2 - granted it needs external box - but I think that's way more useful. Multiple people can use it in one studio as and when they need without having to buy 1 per machine.
My main exposure to them was via my last "day job" doing interactive 3D dataviz for a government contractor. I was in the "hacker lab" with all the rebel hacker cowboy types and even though the lab sported Macs a-plenty several of them made Hackintoshes for the sheer fun of it--not to be used for actual work, just as a hobby on the side. I expect you're right that Apple probably turns a blind eye to such things, but it still bothers me. I suppose I should unpucker a little.
I don't really buy the complaints that it's too expensive considering that the full details of pricing haven't been announced yet. Tons of users are going to be interested in the 6/8/12 core BTO options and we don't know the prices for those upgrades specifically, all the numbers so far are with other things added too.
Or not, given that these business sales reps are part of the retail division which is under a holiday blackout and thus no vacations are allowed.
They are more likely generating quotes now because these businesses will be looking to get the sale in before the year ends for tax purposes. Having a quote in the system means the rep has a suspended transaction of a sort and can quickly add payment and hit go at any point. Even if the machine isn't delivered until mid January because it is BTO, the sale was in December and could still count as a 2013 purchase.
Also the Mac Pro is hardly a holiday item so even if comes out between the 26th and 31st it's not a huge issue.
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Have you actually looked at one of them. Given the layout the only way you will have a nest is if you don't bother with any kind of cable management.
Not Apple's style to have two active systems on sale at the same time.
They have given out enough info about the specs etc well enough in advance that anyone just has to have the old style they can get it before those run out.
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A computer truly needed by only about 1% of the world so that is about right.
Half the folks interested in buying this machine would likely do fine, even great, with a spec'd out Mac mini or iMac. They don't really need a pro. They just like the ego boost of having one.
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A comment like that depends on the whole chain being totally under Apple's control. And it's not.
Also we don't know that it is a soft launch, there are shortages etc. It's possible that this is just the way that Apple has planned to handle things all along. And everything is on track with their plans and there are no issues.
Mind you that doesn't get the page hits that negatives due so when in doubt, make up rumors of trouble anyway.
Workstations are the only growth part part of the trad PC market!
I have posted this before - apologies to those that have seen it - also remember the Demo at WWDC and who undertook it? This is were Apple is aiming the nMP!
This is From MaximumPC
This could be Apples view of the professional graphics market
According to JPR, the computer graphics hardware market will exceed $124 billion by 2016, up from an expected $107 billion in 2013, which itself is up from $93 billion in 2010.
"The sharp curtailment of household and corporate spending during the recession has resulted in a renewed desire among consumers and businesses to begin increasing spending on the latest graphics software and hardware platforms," JPR says. "We will see the development of traditional segments like CAD/CAM expand as new design approaches in automotive, aerospace, and architecture are adopted. Visualization, a market that has been almost dormant for the past few years, is now poised for significant growth due to the availability of more powerful and less expensive visualization technologies."
Server farms tend to be rooms, or at least large closets, with external cooling systems to offset any internal ones. So the whole tube thing is less vital when you have a room keep at chilled temps etc.
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Sounds about right since Apple isn't in the gaming machine game anyway.
All right folks!
First post but figured you'd want to hear. Talked with my local Mac dealer and he dug up some pricing structure:
The 6-core, 16GB, 1TB, D500 machine is $4559.
The 256SSD, 6-core, D700, 16GB RAM would be $4369 (+tax).
The 512SSD, 6-core, D700, 16GB RAM would be $4654 (+tax).
There is also a 8 core (+$1425) or 12 core (+$2850) available.
Looks like the 512 d700 is my next machine.
First post but figured you'd want to hear. Talked with my local Mac dealer and he dug up some pricing structure:
The 6-core, 16GB, 1TB, D500 machine is $4559.
The 256SSD, 6-core, D700, 16GB RAM would be $4369 (+tax).
The 512SSD, 6-core, D700, 16GB RAM would be $4654 (+tax).
There is also a 8 core (+$1425) or 12 core (+$2850) available.
Looks like the 512 d700 is my next machine.
It's all on Apple's website so you can see it for yourself
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Big houses like that use render farms. So no, this won't be their main platform because that is the job of the farm.
Might they get them as work stations, perhaps. Although they probably won't rush to it since they have to have working systems and any machines that needed to be replaced have been. But as other machines die they could be replaced with this Mac Pro.
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Same way it was under Steve, who approved all of it. So much for blaming Tim for that issue.
Unfortunately, your entire post just sounds like a bunch of lame excuses for why Apple's choices suck. Thunderbolt is for professionals? I've never seen it advertised as such or mentioned as such. Apple ships it on everything. So I can only assume it's something that fanatics come up with as an excuse for why it costs so damn much. And yet if I am to believe that it was meant to be a "Pro" feature, then why is it standard on every freaking Mac out there when MOST Mac users are NOT professionals? Why offer something high-end to people that will NEVER use it? Why do I have to buy a $40 adapter just to plug a Mac into a standard monitor that uses DVI or HDMI. It's because Apple uses Mini-DP and most monitors out there don't use it either. I count a whopping 7 (including Apple's own) on the CNET site.
The REAL reason is, of course, obvious. It costs a lot because NO ONE ELSE USES IT. Small market = high prices. I mean where are all the PCs with Thunderbolt? It's been a couple of years. I don't see too many ( http://www.extremetech.com/computin...nges-thunderbolt-for-pcs-is-dead-in-the-water ). This can be traced back to Apple's exclusive (i.e. stupid short-sighted) agreement to give Macs sole access to Thunderbolt for the first year, thus ENSURING that the devices would not appear (too small a market to bother for 3rd parties). This delayed the market for it while allowing USB3 to gather its own market in force. Hence today, USB3 is STANDARD and Thunderbolt is a JOKE. One would think that Apple would have learned something from the whole Firewire debacle, but no, they clearly have not a clue or they wouldn't have done something so downright asinine stupid as make that exclusive agreement that did nothing but limit the market and raise the prices and create a full year with nary a device to be found. Apple then added USB3 the following year and suddenly it's like, WHY BOTHER? The Windows market largely hasn't even heard of Light Peak and Sony announced a USB style connector, but who cares as NO ONE and I mean NO ONE uses it on the Windows platform and NEVER will. Apple ensured that.
I mean SERIOUSLY, *IF* Apple wanted a PROFESSIONAL format with Thunderbolt, they would have KEPT the OPTICAL connection from DAY1. The fact they caved and produced an inferior version that is barely better than USB3 and way more expensive just killed the format. Yes, prices would have been high, but they are ALREADY high anyway and no one is using them. The speed difference would have been remarkable and justified the high price for professional use. Here, not hardly. They reduced the speed to make it a CONSUMER device, NOT a professional one contrary to your incorrect post. ( http://www.extremetech.com/computin...terconnect-asks-us-to-forget-about-light-peak )
So what we have here is a DEAD FORMAT (Thunderbolt) attached as the replacement for internal PCI expansion on the new Mac Pro. How is a dead in the water format helpful to the Mac Pro?
Apparently you think people enjoy paying $50 for a 2-foot cable for each and every one of their Thunderbolt expansion items, all of which will be slower than PCI can go.
You just changed the subject. Since when are "all-in-one" computers a significant part of the Windows desktop computing environment? They have NEVER been and thus your argument is a total attempt to ignore the fact that MOST Windows desktop PCs (not tablets or notebooks) are in fact still mini-towers with full expansion capabilities. Furthermore, the ONLY reason iMacs sell in the numbers they do in the Mac world is that there is no other alternative to them for a home machine with reasonable specs. I guarantee you if Apple offered a mini-tower with the same specs as a high-end iMac with the price of the monitor removed (e.g. let's say $2k) with full expansion capaiblity, almost NO ONE would be buying that iMac. People have argued for years that the reason the XMac doesn't exist is that it would cannibalize Apple's iMac market. YES, it would because NO ONE wants a freaking all-in-one POS when they could have a faster (all desktop parts) expandable model with a replaceable graphics card instead of having to change their entire computer out every other year just to keep the slowest of games running. And don't kid yourself. People do play games on Macs. Just look at the popularity of Boot Camp. People aren't booting into Boot Camp to run Internet Explorer. They're booting into it to play games.
Now the day you can buy a tablet that plugs into a dock that gives full desktop capability at a reasonable price is the day something like Thunderbolt might serve a purpose, but it'd have be a lot faster since you'd be talking about beefing up graphics and maybe even the processor at which point you're talking about a completely separate computer that just networks to the stuff on your tablet and pretends it's the same machine.
Just because tablets are selling at higher pace (i.e. one for each household member), that doesn't mean desktops are dead. No tablet will ever replace a traditional high-end computer because there will always and I mean always be a MASSIVE power gap between the two. And if you want to talk about "small" markets, then talk about the Mac itself because other than Linux, there is no smaller market share so spare me the BS. If Apple were interested in increasing their market share, they'd sell a Mac people actually want to buy, not toys.
And where is your statistic from? Perhaps you just made it up? If there are no desktop users as you say, then why sell iMacs at all? Apple sells a lot of iMacs and at $2k+ prices. When has Apple EVER offered a power desktop in the past 10 years as an alternative to compare against an iMac? They haven't. Their only tower is a Pro tower priced just out of the stratosphere for home users.
So... your PARENTS represent 95% of the public????? ALL the games they buy run just fine on a 2008 machine? LOL. What games are they buying? Cribbage???
I can't even take your post seriously at this point.
Again, who cares what your parents are using? Do they spend most of their time playing video games? How does that mean there is no market for video games? Where's the logic? Boot Camp is making a LOT of sales just to play Windows games. Some of us would PREFER to NOT have to buy Windows and reboot out of OSX just to play a game because the gaming experience sucks in OSX. It would be better to make gaming in OSX better. That's what I'm saying. And it wouldn't be hard for Apple to make a LOT of progress very quickly by simply offering better drivers for a start and updating OpenGL to the latest version instead of being 2-4 years behind all the time.
My current Mac Mini is very fast CPU-wise. It's not so fast graphically and that's because Apple doesn't offer graphics cards that are good for something like games until you get into the $2500 range that is just RIDICULOUS for a game machine. It's why a Hackintosh IS the ONLY viable option for most Mac users that want a good gaming experience without having to own two separate computers at this point. A high-end Hackintosh could let you stay in OSX for gaming probably 30-60% of the time depending on your taste in games (i.e. at a certain frame rate, even less efficient drivers, etc. don't mean much).
Hooray for them. Buy them a Scrabble board game and a deck of cards. It will serve them just as well. But WTF does that have to do with people that actually use computers for more than email?
I think I mentioned the 2011 Macs that have TB but no USB3. Many of them like their machines (e.g. It was the last year Apple made a 17" Macbook Pro). Fortunately, for the 17" owners, at least, there IS a cheap USB3 card they can plug into their their Express Port. My 2008 Macbook Pro has such a card (I paid $12 for mine) and I now have two USB 3.0 ports on a rather OLD Macbook Pro that a much newer 2010 model WISHES it could use (but Apple ditched Express port expansion on the 15" Models because like you, they believed no one wanted any expansion except a cheesy SD card. What a load. I can now use external USB 3.0 drives to work with Logic Pro on that machine and the 2010 models are SOL.
So, Apple generally licensed Macs out back then and it failed. Why does that mean it would fail today? They can simply have more control over the end product (e.g. they have to approve designs and final products before they are released and assure no crap comes out AND they can limit models only to those markets like an "XMac" game/desktop power machine.) It would be a simple matter for someone already making PCs to adapt one to EFI and throw together an XMac for next to nothing plus the license fee. I recall a start-up company wanted to do just that (minus the license it seems) and Apple jumped all over them. Why? They didn't want to make such machines. They were afraid they'd lose sales? So license the darn things and get money for nothing.
Retina MacBook Pro and Classic MacBook Pro?
or maybe New Apple Maps for iOS and Apple/Google maps for iOS in a parallel universe where it wasn't a complete SNAFU?
Seriously, just because they don't tend to do it doesn't mean that it is a bad idea - especially in the "pro" arena where users need to make longer-term plans.
Unless you live in the EU where the 'classic' Mac Pro was discontinued almost a year ago, way before the nMP announcement I don't know what the supply situation in the US is, although it vanished from the Apple store web page some time ago.
Plus it had been starved of decent updates for a couple of years before then and was looking distinctly overpriced.
It's not only forbidden in the EU, it seems it has been unavailable basically in all of Europe since then.
Dude chill...chill...chill. Apple doesn't need you to defend them--I am sure they have there big boy pants on. All these people are entitled to their opinion. Dude take a deep breathe and don't obsess. Criticism has it's value it helps improve the organization and make for the best outcomes................
Interesting, thanks for sharing. So going by the one example above with a single variable (the first one), the 1TB storage option would cost $560 above the base 256GB.
Pointing out facts is not obsessing. And criticism on a system like this is pointless because Apple doesn't act based on the thoughts of the self entitled folks on this or similar sites.
And you might want to try not calling folks dude unless you are sure you are talking to one.
I'm thinking perhaps that's ALL hardware used for graphics. Because this forecast indicates a total size of the PC market, including servers and tablets and everything in between of $383 billion in 2016
http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww1203.htm
I think if there was large profit potential for Apple there, they wouldn't have neglected the market as long as they have.
This is veering off track, but it amused me to see someone from Brooklyn dropping the "dude" on someone from LA, so I decided to say so.
Okay, back to griping about all the things wrong with the nMP.
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You have that covered quite extensively. It seems to apply more to your own posts, rather then mine.
Professionals use other computers besides the Mac Pro don't you know?
CNET?!? Other websites exists too. Just on Yahoo's shopping website listed 55 Displayport monitors. You don't have to buy Apples adapter, third party ones exist too.
Displayport is not an Apple standard as well as Thunderport. Mini Display ports are used because it certainly fits much better then using a big, full sized connectors with a thick, heavy cable to things such as laptops.
We are not seeing many PC's use it primarily most consumers are not willing to pay for top of the line peripherals it was designed to use. Thats why we are more likely to see it on workstations Such as HP.
Acer dropped Thunderbolt because they are primarily a budget computer.
USB 3 was out for years prior to Thunderbolt. If you learned anything from Firewire...even though it was slower then USB 2.0...it was still faster in real world applications. USB 2.0 was dependent to the CPU where Firewire was not.
Thats why professionals used Firewire rather then USB 2.0.
Ahem...Thunderbolt is a Intel format, not an Apple one. It was Intels decision to keep it a wired connection rather then optical. At least for the time being. Seems you to failed to read the article you posted accurately ...even the title.
I can only give a comparison to the most applicable PC's the iMacs compare too.
The average mom & pop who buy this machine don't care much about specs or even know what they mean. Just that they want it faster then last years model.
I absolutely disagree with you. Many people love the all in one solution that the iMac brings. Plug in one device with wireless mouse and keyboard and away you go.
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Thanks a lot for posting that!
I notice that the jump from 256 GB to 512 GB is $285. For current Macs (iMac and laptops) the jump is $300. This plus the fact that these are not round numbers makes me suspect these prices include a slight discount. Do you know whether a discount is included?
I don't think it is going to be quite that cheap to get 1 TB. Looks like you basically took the number to upgrade to 512 GB and just doubled it.
On current macs with PCI SSD (the iMac for example) it costs $300 to go from 256 GB to 512 GB and $800 to go from 256 GB to 1 TB. I think most people are expecting about the same for this machine. (Note his figures show the first jump to be $285 instead of $300; as I said in my previous post, that makes me think there is a discount included in these prices).
I am thinking about buying a Mac Pro and the 6 core machine seems to be the one to get. I needed to see the full options before deciding on the GPU though. I was toying with the idea of getting the D700 if the upgrade wasn't too expensive, but I thought it was wishful thinking to expect it to be affordable. If these prices are accurate, though, it looks quite reasonable.
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OK, never mind, I didn't notice that he actually had a 1 TB option in the price list, so obviously that's where you got the number.
Well, I was planning on getting the 1 TB option, so it will be nice if that really is the price; I don't understand why it is so much cheaper than it is on the iMac, though.