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Yup you will be very wrong I am sure. You may get some 'people' building hackintoshs but never in studios as it's technically illegal as you cannot own the software and breaking T&C's

and all the mackintoshes are only the i7s no? Not xeons? I might be wrong there or is it that they are not dual processor capable?

A hackintosh can very likely be a much better gaming rig assuming you are building it for games that are GPU and not CPU intensive, but a really good hackintosh is still going to cost $2k, and then you have to support it.

However, that i7 with a GTX780 is likely not going to perform nearly as well as the base nMP for Photoshop/Lightroom, which is what many of the prosumers here are going to get a nMP for.

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Yes, but his point still stands; a loaded MBP or iMac are also a computer for 1% of the world's population.

Well, the average income in the US, UK or CA are also in the top 1% of the world's population.
 
This computer is going to be pricey! :mad:
Was looking to get an 8 core D700 graphics, 32 gigs of ram, 1 TB :eek:
 
Wow, FUD and jealously in one post... :rolleyes:

Expect he's right. A "rev A" product are usually the "betas" of any product. Look at Mavericks, it has bugs. You should wait until at least .2 or .3 to all the wrinkles are ironed out. This is with any company; Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony, etc.

No FUD about it.

And far as it being overpriced...well it has the :apple: on it, so it's priced "just right." ;)
 
Meh. For the same money I can build a high end workstation with hardware SAS RAID, dual 12 core Xeons, NVIDIA cards in SLI, or even a couple of TESLA cards (essentially NVIDIA cards with no monitor ports) for supercomputing, and it will be a much better, faster system.
 
Meh. For the same money I can build a high end workstation with hardware SAS RAID, dual 12 core Xeons, NVIDIA cards in SLI, or even a couple of TESLA cards (essentially NVIDIA cards with no monitor ports) for supercomputing, and it will be a much better, faster system.

Oh really... please, place all the parts for that in a basket at Amazon, and let's see the price comparison.
 
Supermicro

Agreed - paired up with an LSI RAID card, or an SMC workstation/server or supercomputing board in a Chenbro case. :)

You can literally build an entry-level supercomputer with 24 CPU cores (48 "virtual cores") and about 6,000 CUDA cores for the price of a "loaded" Mac Pro, with massively faster I/O and networking.
 
Expect he's right. A "rev A" product are usually the "betas" of any product. Look at Mavericks, it has bugs. You should wait until at least .2 or .3 to all the wrinkles are ironed out. This is with any company; Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony, etc.

No FUD about it.

And far as it being overpriced...well it has the :apple: on it, so it's priced "just right." ;)

Well, if you can afford to wait 2-3 years to buy one for that Rev .2 or .3, you:

a) have perfectly capable hardware now
b) may not need one in the first place.

I would love to be able to sit on the sidelines for the first generation, but my 7-year-old MP with it's performance processing Lightroom says otherwise.
 
Oh really... please, place all the parts for that in a basket at Amazon, and let's see the price comparison.

I have one on my desk at the office. SMC motherboard, dual Xeons, NVIDIA cards, LSI RAID card. "Only" 16 GB RAM though - it isn't for production but for prototyping and testing. It cost far less than a "loaded" Mac pro - even with Win2K8 or Win2K12 installed.

I build and ship these things all the time. With the Mac Pro you're paying for decor and the ability to run OS X without resorting to hacks.
 
No thanks. I could buy Windows machines, hire new employees AND still have money left over.

You must live and work in China...

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I have one on my desk at the office. SMC motherboard, dual Xeons, NVIDIA cards, LSI RAID card. "Only" 16 GB RAM though - it isn't for production but for prototyping and testing. It cost far less than a "loaded" Mac pro - even with Win2K8 or Win2K12 installed.

I build and ship these things all the time. With the Mac Pro you're paying for decor and the ability to run OS X without resorting to hacks.

Please define "far less". $300? $500?

You don't mention which Xeons, or which NVIDIA cards, so we can't say much there.
 
Out of interest, as a serious tool to get some work done.
What is the benefit for a round case other than a square case?

Given internal cubic space, a cube/oblong would of either help more inside (if you gave the current round shape corners)
Or you could of made it even smaller and encased the same components.

What are the advantages in a business sense or rounding the corners off a box?

You think your ideas are going to be taken seriously when you write "you could of made"? How did you pass third grade?
 
We will see how proprietary this system is. If its all proprietary, including memory, then NO THANKS!
If you where paying attention, oh like 6 months ago, you would already know what the machine has.
Apple has been on a roll down the proprietary hardware track. You should be able to do basic upgrades on any system and certainly a desktop pro system like this.
Which isn't a problem for RAM and flash. Of course for flash you would have to find something on the market that even comes close performance wise to make a third party upgrade rational.
My guess is proprietary memory and video options to force the purchases from Apple.

Why would you be guessing about anything Mac Pro related? The information has been out there for some time.
 
Mini could have HDMI 2.0 before the Pro. To have 4K at 60Hz requires wasting a TB port, and that's assuming they get Mavericks to handle it.

That would be great if the Mini had HDMI 2.0 but would video from say Intel Iris Pro support 4K? HDMI 1.3/4 can support 4K at 24 or 29 fps. Most blu ray movies are 23.9xx/24 these days so at least those should play. TV shows and other items at higher rates as you point out wont play correctly.

Yes that would be a good Mac Mini

TB2
HDMI 2.0
USB3
1 FW 800
Intel Iris Pro

As for the Mac Mini Pro, I can see why Apple claims the Mac Pro market is small if not shrinking - the new model doesn't help this situation as many have wanted to adapt the Mac Pro line for other purposes such as gaming and gamers (sorry to be generic) if we recall were the driving force behind upping the consumer/prosumer video cards ante. Not sure why Apple insists on not opening up the headless computer market to a bigger audience.
 
Here's a 10k PC "workstation"

Obviously going spec for spec I could cut a few thousand out of the price but I went from the perspective of the 3d guy or the movie cutter. The MP will likely be hooked to a SAN so I didn't go on about HD's and RAID cards.
 

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Can someone please confirm that the new Mac Pro does indeed have a cooling fan, presumably at the base) with the tips of the fan blades are indeed just withing the internal diameter of the circular case as has been explained her as the reason for the round form factor.
 
And easy to give up on it. Remember the Dell Zino? Theirs is just a market where the price of each and every screw counts.

That isn't exactly correct. You can't gauge PC workstations by the rules used to build the cheapest consumer PCs. I mentioned that they have a higher risk of alienation when cutting features, due to the other oems which may continue to offer them. Workstations are generally sold on much higher markups, which is why that rule doesn't really apply.

Here's a 10k PC "workstation"

Obviously going spec for spec I could cut a few thousand out of the price but I went from the perspective of the 3d guy or the movie cutter.

If they are going to spend over $5k on 24 cpu cores, they wouldn't go with something as old as the V7900. If gpu was absolutely trivial, there are still better ways to configure it.
 
That isn't exactly correct. You can't gauge PC workstations by the rules used to build the cheapest consumer PCs. I mentioned that they have a higher risk of alienation when cutting features, due to the other oems which may continue to offer them. Workstations are generally sold on much higher markups, which is why that rule doesn't really apply.



If they are going to spend over $5k on 24 cpu cores, they wouldn't go with something as old as the V7900. If gpu was absolutely trivial, there are still better ways to configure it.

Probably, they'd probably use nVidia right now too.
 
Probably, they'd probably use nVidia right now too.

That is very true, and I should have mentioned it. Some of the default are firepros when it comes to the cheapest possible workstation card to refresh a given screen. I wanted to disambiguate the important factors, as both features and things like OpenGL performance or computation may be of variable concern depending on who ordered the machine. Things like 4K 60hz support didn't show up until fairly recently, and it's unlikely that you would see backdated driver support on many of the older cards. They may not even support it at the hardware level. The 7900 just seemed like an unlikely choice unless it can support more displays than others from its generation. Some of AMDs low end firepro options are actually quite embarrassing, as they're based on very old designs.
 
2 lower spec vs 1 top spec

Given the indicated prices is there any sense in getting 2x 6cores with minor upgrades compared to one max'd out one for the same value?

Additional render node
4 decent graphics cards
Backup machine

Just an idea....

Does anyone know if two machines can be connected to almost act as one, combining resources?
 
Considering 8 core processor is a lot more expensive than the 6 core, that means if the 8 core 512 SSD 64 GB Memory Dual D700 is 7700$, then a 6 core with 512 SSD, 32 GB Memory Dual D700 should be around 5500$, which is a really good deal for a machine with dual W9000 cards, considering the GPU's alone cost 6000$ retail.

Where does it say the D700 is a W9000? I'm not saying it's not as I have no idea, just wondering where you got that information.

If it's a W9000 why doesn't Apple just call it that?
 
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