There is more to computer than cooling. What if next time to resolve heating issues Apple decides to switch to Atom chips? Would that be acceptable too?
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There is more to computer than cooling. What if next time to resolve heating issues Apple decides to switch to Atom chips? Would that be acceptable too?
Comparing this to last year's model isn't really the point. People that bought last year's pro or the year before that shouldn't be upgrading unless they've got a serious amount of work to do. But there are Mac Pros out there still chugging along from 2006 and those are the ones that will get replaced with this beauty.
Yup you will be very wrong I am sure. You may get some 'people' building hackintoshs but never in studios as it's technically illegal as you cannot own the software and breaking T&C's
and all the mackintoshes are only the i7s no? Not xeons? I might be wrong there or is it that they are not dual processor capable?
I know of 2 companies alone in London waiting to place orders in the 100s for the new Mac Pros. They will never reach mass market sales. But us pros will always need something magnitudes faster than an iMac.
And given that most MacPro's I've seen are hardly ever actually upgraded... they have the same mid range graphics card and only 1 Hard drive... A very powerful compact highly networkable solution like this is the way forward.
I can see it being a bit of an issue for some single operators used to maxing out a machine over time and filling it with drives... but I much prefer having separate storage in another room.
Not really. The PCBs that go in the boxes are more than likely flat and square. This means you can pile loads more side by side in a square box and still cool them much like the standy uppy ram chips in the current Pro. I like the design and suggest that it might do well. For Apple, (or anybody else for that matter), to suggest that the unit must be cylindrical is a load of rubbish.
By your reasoning a car should be nothing like the shape that it currently is?
We will see how proprietary this system is. If its all proprietary, including memory, then NO THANKS! Apple has been on a roll down the proprietary hardware track. You should be able to do basic upgrades on any system and certainly a desktop pro system like this.
My guess is proprietary memory and video options to force the purchases from Apple.
My guess is proprietary memory and video options to force the purchases from Apple.
they have already missed the holiday sales window for the most part.
People generally make their big holiday purchases well in advance of the holidays. I am sure some folks will queue up to buy it for themselves for xmass. Me being one of them. But as far as gifts for the husbands, wives and kids?
On the plus side, the market for used Mac Pro Towers is about to get much cheaper.
People generally make their big holiday purchases well in advance of the holidays. I am sure some folks will queue up to buy it for themselves for xmass. Me being one of them. But as far as gifts for the husbands, wives and kids?
On the plus side, the market for used Mac Pro Towers is about to get much cheaper.
The lower end configurations are within the "prosumer" price range. How do I know this? I am a "prosumer," and I will be buying one. There are sure to be plenty of other people like me: people who don't need all the power this machine has to offer (especially dual GPUs), but who don't want to sacrifice options and get a mini or a 27" iMac. I dabble in photography using Aperture and music stuff using Logic. I may purchase FCP when I buy the nMP. Do I wish it were $1,999 or even $2,499? Sure. Will the extra $500 turn me away? No. I am not wealthy. I just want to have a fast machine that won't need to be replaced (for my purposes) for 5 years. No matter what happens with GPU/CPU technology in the next five years, with Thunderbolt, I can't see this being a problem (for my purposes).
Take a look at how many people are buying DSLR's in the $2-3K range. Do you think all those people need the capabilities of these cameras? No. Many are not "professionals" but they want something close to professional (they might be the Nikon D610 or the D800 instead of the D4) because they can afford to avoid the sacrifices of something more consumer oriented.
Another way to think about this (which is what I have concluded) is that it would cost me nearly as much to get a fully loaded iMac. I don't need or want the monitor of an iMac. For me, it's a waste of money, desktop space and natural resources. I have a much better (for my purposes) NEC monitor. I will buy a second 4K monitor when they drop in price a few years from now. Then, I will have a dual monitor set up with a Mac Pro that doesn't actually cost much more than an iMac, is much more expandable (with TB 2) and will have the monitors I want. And it will have true desktop/workstation technology that is cutting edge, not laptop tech from a year or two ago.
The very wide spread in price point is also great for those of us who are in this situation. I cannot justify (or afford) the top end at $9000 to $12,000. I can afford something close to $3,000. That's what makes me a "prosumer." I strongly suspect I am not alone, not nearly alone, in this category.
i remember when the new iMac was launched
our business leader forced us to take pre-orders
the client had to open a prepaid account, which was already a complicated process at the time, because there is only one guy validating account openings for the whole Europe
then only once the SAP account, we were allowed to send out Apple bank details and the SAP number to the client
then the client made the wire transfer and we had to wait for Apple Remittance to confirm the payment and post it to the correct SAP number
then Apple accountance had to allow us to process the order in Engage
administrative time + product shortage + production + delivery = our clients waited at least 2 months to get a CTO iMac
i imagine that it will be the same circus for the Mac Pro
our business leader forced us to take pre-orders
the client had to open a prepaid account, which was already a complicated process at the time, because there is only one guy validating account openings for the whole Europe
then only once the SAP account, we were allowed to send out Apple bank details and the SAP number to the client
then the client made the wire transfer and we had to wait for Apple Remittance to confirm the payment and post it to the correct SAP number
then Apple accountance had to allow us to process the order in Engage
administrative time + product shortage + production + delivery = our clients waited at least 2 months to get a CTO iMac
i imagine that it will be the same circus for the Mac Pro
You're not alone. I'm another prosumer who has been managing with his 2008 Mac Pro and is eager to buy one of these. I suspect my configuration will be in the $5k range but won't know until we see how they price configurations. Given the lifespan of Macs for me, I'm fine spending the money. I don't want an iMac, either. I've been on my 30" ACD for probably 10 years now. I'll replace it soon, but I don't need to buy a new monitor every time I buy a new computer, which is what the iMac forces you to do.
Btw, to your camera example, I also spent more on my camera than most sane people think makes sense. However, I have some priceless pictures from the camera that is directly related to its ability. Capturing just one of those pictures alone probably justified the cost difference in the camera to me. Computers are a bit harder to explain the value on, to be honest, but having capable equipment matters to me. Heck, I don't drive a Yugo, either.
Btw, to your camera example, I also spent more on my camera than most sane people think makes sense. However, I have some priceless pictures from the camera that is directly related to its ability. Capturing just one of those pictures alone probably justified the cost difference in the camera to me. Computers are a bit harder to explain the value on, to be honest, but having capable equipment matters to me. Heck, I don't drive a Yugo, either.
Yikes, this is making me nervous. Need at least at 8-Core, with the 6-Core ~$3999, even with 25% discount, that's, wow.
Here's hoping my mint condition 2010 6-Core 3.33GHz w/ 256GB OWC Mercury EXTREME Pro 6G SSD Boot, LG Blu-Ray burner, ATI Radeon HD5770, 16GB RAM, USB 3.0 PCIe CalDigit, and "lots" of software sells well. (*cough*shamelessplug*cough*)
Here's hoping my mint condition 2010 6-Core 3.33GHz w/ 256GB OWC Mercury EXTREME Pro 6G SSD Boot, LG Blu-Ray burner, ATI Radeon HD5770, 16GB RAM, USB 3.0 PCIe CalDigit, and "lots" of software sells well. (*cough*shamelessplug*cough*)
The first unveiling with be wondrous to behold. I will probably poke it with a stick and hoot like an excited ape.
You're not alone. I'm another prosumer who has been managing with his 2008 Mac Pro and is eager to buy one of these. I suspect my configuration will be in the $5k range but won't know until we see how they price configurations. Given the lifespan of Macs for me, I'm fine spending the money. I don't want an iMac, either. I've been on my 30" ACD for probably 10 years now. I'll replace it soon, but I don't need to buy a new monitor every time I buy a new computer, which is what the iMac forces you to do.
Btw, to your camera example, I also spent more on my camera than most sane people think makes sense. However, I have some priceless pictures from the camera that is directly related to its ability. Capturing just one of those pictures alone probably justified the cost difference in the camera to me. Computers are a bit harder to explain the value on, to be honest, but having capable equipment matters to me. Heck, I don't drive a Yugo, either.
I know what you mean about computer expense not necessarily being justified. But if the tool helps you do what you want with it, so what. I tend to be fairly impatient, and really get irritated when sorting through a couple hundred photos, waiting for them to load. One reason I want a Mac Pro is because I want my photos to load faster, including when I am doing importing, but more importantly when I am editing them. With the iMac, I'd need to get one with an SSD. I have a MacBook Air, and when I go back to my 2008 24" iMac with a HDD, it is very frustrating (especially considering the iMac's CPU is still much faster and more capable than my MacBook Air.
As to Cameras, I'd been waiting for a full frame digital camera to get to a "prosumer" price. Then bought the D600 when it came out. Bought it with a kit lens that was essentially free ($2,000 for the D600 and 24-85mm VR lens). Now, I feel I have the camera that can do what I want it to do for years to come (mostly I wanted to be able to crop my shots in post-processing as needed without terrible loss of resolution). It also has unbelievable dynamic range compared to my old D300. Yes, I have the oil issue, but it isn't terrible (although inexcusable for Nikon not to do a recall). I just have it professionally cleaned every few months and it isn't a problem.
"Way to high" means what?
(1) That somebody else is selling the same thing at a lower price. or
(2) That you can't afford it.
I can understand #2 but you'd need to provide a link if you meant #1.
For the intended users this machine is not expensive. If yu are a professional video editor what are you charging or being paid per hour? Compare this to the rate per hour that either a plumber makes. Plumbers spend MORE for their tools then the price of a MP. (a plumbing truck with stock and tools is about $70K) compare this to the cost of a road crew who fixes pot holes, there equipment corset even more. Or to a videographer with all his sound and camera gear.
So, compared to other industrial tools (plumber's trucks, steam rollers and photo gear the editor and his $10K workstation is cheap.
this $10K cost is tax deduction too. I think you can write it off on a three year schedule, but I'm no expert on that. Anyone know the out out pocket cost of a $10K computer after taxes?
So it's a product that'll appeal to over 70 million people? That's not too half bad.
My guess - MacPro will not "launch" in Dec.
I think Apple will simply turn on the pre-order button before the end of Dec. and it will take like 2-3 weeks to ship and it will be limited availability at first.
I want one, but I'll wait until I can just walk in to a local Apple Store and buy one. No plans to do a "pre-order".
I think Apple will simply turn on the pre-order button before the end of Dec. and it will take like 2-3 weeks to ship and it will be limited availability at first.
I want one, but I'll wait until I can just walk in to a local Apple Store and buy one. No plans to do a "pre-order".
Yes, it should be in that ballpark range. [ The SSDs are faster than the those in other Macs so the price gap may not be $500 but that is probably close also since it too has a healthy margin built in. ]
Apple adding a around 30-35% ( like other processor upgrade prices in online store for other Mac models ) would amount to a $1158-1,202 "cost" which rounded up to an even 1,400 or 1,500 wouldn't be surprising. Apple is going to add some "nice to look at" number on top of whatever basic margin they attach (rounded to nearest 100 or perhaps nearest even/odd hundred). Most folks paying $2,000-3,000 for a processor probably aren't going to be scared off by another one or two hundred dollars. The 12 core processor by itself is going to cost more than a whole entry config Mac Pro.
Again yes. ( 1.3 * 1743) - 300 = 1965 which rounded to a nice even $2000 is a nice even number Apple upgrade price. 35% would push it to $2100.
Apple's targeted corporate margins are in the 30-35% range. The processors upgrades aren't outside of that objective. There is a bigger impact here because this is on top of Intel's pricing, which is also step for this high core count / high clock rate product. The 12 core is waaaaaay out there.
Next generation, Xeon E5 v3, these will probably be much more reasonably priced from Intel, but those may not come until 2015.
I archive stuff and need connectivity with lots of older legacy peripherals. The iMac's and the new Mac Pro lack convenient forward facing connections to attach various types of scanners and external hard/floppy drives (yes, 5.25 and 3.5). I don't need speed, I need convenient flexibility.
I'm counting on some nice discounts for refurbished "old" Mac Pros when the new ones start shipping.
I'm counting on some nice discounts for refurbished "old" Mac Pros when the new ones start shipping.
Will Wagner be playing in the background?
I suspect that "Also Sprach Zarathustra" by Strauss would be a more suitable choice
Some of us might be old enough to remember Omni magazine.
I remember they ran an article once about a futuristic car design that had been derived from computer aerodynamic modeling.
The car looked like a kidney bean on wheels. The article went on about how impractical the design was, and how consumers, expecially American consumers, would never accept such a design when they are used to having a hood in front and a trunk in back.
Well it's 2013 and Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris, Ford Cmax and Fiat 500's are looking more like a kidney bean than a Cutlass Supreme.