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How are you going to cool it. You realize all that space is useful for something, right?




We're talking workstations here. A very small segment of business for these companies. You clearly have no clue as to what you're talking about. You're fanboy colors are flying quite brightly.



Sorry to burst your bubble, but the entertainment industry isn't driven by Apple computers. Hell, even Pixar hardly uses Apple hardware. While it was probably common to see Apple's presence in a lot of these shops back in the day, that is simply not the case now.

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As pointed out earlier, that happened once and it was only by a few weeks. A 3-4 month lead time seems highly doubtful.

I'd honestly be surprised if the Mac Pro is addressed at all during WWDC. What would be the point of making any kind of announcement that far out? That's never been Apple's style. I really think this latest "rumor" is nothing. Product constraints happen with some frequency.

Well, I'm a "be ready for the worst, but hope for the best" type of guy, while you seem to be a "be ready for the worst, and expect the worst" kind of guy. I know you can defend your position as being "realistic", but that is just so... boring. I want my new MacPro... Now!. :)
 
Instead of a "classic" big server with dual processors, maybe Apple could come up with a more scalable stack of 'mac-mini-like' blades combined with SAN storage?

Something like up to 6 times a quad core i7, each with max 128GB of RAM and interconnected via thunderbolt (full duplex 10Gbit/s). By having Grand Central Dispatch in OSX 10.9(?) working seamlessly across thunderbolt interconnects, this could be a pretty powerful alternative to a classic MacPro...
 
I want it to have a really powerful CPU and GPU. So, if they cannot ship with the latest CPU yet, I'd be fine with an announcement, showing the new Mac Pro, but with a shipping date of september. That would be better than having a new Mac Pro with an outdated CPU.
 
I want it to have a really powerful CPU and GPU. So, if they cannot ship with the latest CPU yet, I'd be fine with an announcement, showing the new Mac Pro, but with a shipping date of september. That would be better than having a new Mac Pro with an outdated CPU.

They wouldn't ship something with an older cpu a year late.


Instead of a "classic" big server with dual processors, maybe Apple could come up with a more scalable stack of 'mac-mini-like' blades combined with SAN storage?

Something like up to 6 times a quad core i7, each with max 128GB of RAM and interconnected via thunderbolt (full duplex 10Gbit/s). By having Grand Central Dispatch in OSX 10.9(?) working seamlessly across thunderbolt interconnects, this could be a pretty powerful alternative to a classic MacPro...

This is ridiculous on so many levels. Thunderbolt wasn't designed for such an interconnect. It's not comparable to something like infiniband. The reason to go with a cluster solution would be for a server where GPGPU solutions wouldn't work due to video memory limits. Of course at that point the 32GB limit on the quad i7s (realistically 16 with macs due to it only being 2 dimms in minis) renders it impractical anyway. This has come up every thread. If it made sense, it would sell a lot of minis. Even if it worked somehow, it wouldn't address most use cases where mac pros or other workstations are currently implemented.
 
But no matter what they ship, it's still going to come with Mountain Lion; no way to go back to the most stable Mac OS, Snow Leopard. (Graphic professionals have no need for Mountain Lion; they need Rosetta. Considering that 40% of Mac OS users are running something OTHER than Lion/Mountain Lion should tell you something about the professional rejection of the iOSification of the Mac)

But at the end of the day, we just have to admit Apple doesn't Care.™

In my shop, no one needs Rosetta, and the only reason people are still running Snow Leopard is that it works and we haven't had an urgent need to upgrade. That's quite a bit different than an outright "rejection" of the features. And of course as new hardware comes in that only runs Mountain Lion, people are starting to run that... Lo and behold.. It works fine, no complaints. And we'll probably be standardizing on 10.8 just before 10.9 comes around.
 
But no matter what they ship, it's still going to come with Mountain Lion; no way to go back to the most stable Mac OS, Snow Leopard. (Graphic professionals have no need for Mountain Lion; they need Rosetta. Considering that 40% of Mac OS users are running something OTHER than Lion/Mountain Lion should tell you something about the professional rejection of the iOSification of the Mac)

But at the end of the day, we just have to admit Apple doesn't Care.™

What graphic professionals are you talking about that needs Rosetta? Ones stuck in the 1990s with what, Pagemaker? That refuse to upgrade? I have not "needed" Rosetta in over 4 years, and that was for one application for one minute for a very old file. No more.
 
Actually I DO expect them to kill the current giant silver monolith. I think they will still have some form of "Pro" machine for developers but I don't think the form factor will be the same.

It wouldn't be for developers as much as pro video editors and animators designers etc. Most development is well served with a MacBook Pro retina.
 
I would predict a compete re-design, more internal HDD space, if your very lucky ONE optical drive and it really should be a blueray burner. RAM up to 256GB or maybe 512GB? AMD graphics cards, mid range to workstation level, unless they go with the Nvidia Quadro again.

SSD and HDD options, easy access and upgradability, what ever flavour Xeons their are, maybe the new ones but hard to say if it's very early before their official launch.

Clever and quiet fan based cooling solution, SATA3 and USB3 and Thunderbolt. In fact it's pretty easy to guess the specs, its the design and looks that you can speculate about :)
 
IF Apple do announce a new Mac Pro, then they have kept it hugely secret.

Not particularly. Especially if they keep the new form factor and just swap the guts, there's not much to leak to the public. As opposed to something like a brand new phone that has new casings made months before release. And based on the intel schedule, there's a good chance that they haven't started production yet.

New macs ship without leaks beforehand all the time, especially when the enclosure hasn't changed.


MacPro sales are terrible compared to the 2000s when Apple had more competitive offerings.

True, but PC sales are terrible as well, even though they have the latest components. That said, MP should do much better with a decent upgrade, and it's good for Apple's product line to offer it even if it's not a huge seller.


So are more people are going from Dell/HP to Apple than Apple to Dell/HP?

In the workstation space, I'd be shocked if it's not the former. But with a decent update, Apple could turn that around.
 
Haven't Mac Pro supplies tightened before and then nothing happened? This seems like a lot of speculation without much to go on.

And would Apple really announce a product update three-plus months ahead of its actual launch?

Again, I'd like to be wrong, but I think the Mac Pro will be updated (and announced) in the fall with Ivy Bridge Xeons in the same old enclosure. No fanfare. For some reason Apple chose to skip the Sandy Bridge Xeons.
 
. Considering that 40% of Mac OS users are running something OTHER than Lion/Mountain Lion should tell you something about the professional rejection of the iOSification of the Mac)

Says who?

Source 1. ( yeah the sample size is limited to those who contribute to Omni groups stats but it is far better than hand waving no stat source).

http://update.omnigroup.com/

Operating System mode ( click on major versions ). As of right now

MLion __ 51%
Lion ____ 23%
SLeop __ 17%

The Lions comb to 74% and SL is approximately 1/3 of ML.



Source 2 http://www.netmarketshare.com/

Select Operating System By Version. As of right now

MLion __ 2.97%
Lion ___ 1.76%
SLeop __ 1.77%

Again the combo of the Lions is substantatially higher 4.74% than SL. SL is roughly around 1/3 smaller here of the combo. ( and also shows that the Omnigroup sample is limited it is not missing the overall general trends. Both of these two have measuring limitations, but the same general trend across both should negate the differing set of limitations. )


Source 3 http://chitika.com/os-x-version-distribution

Even Chitika normally skewed ( by their sample set ) and slow to converage data also says the Lions are dominating. As of right now.

MLion __ 26.8%
Lion __ 28.0%
SLeop __ 35%

The Lions combine to 54.8% which gives them a majority. Not as big as the other sampling but even the source for all of the "Lion's rate adoption has stalled" stories from almost 2 years ago shows that the Lion covers most Mac users now. [ This may be the source of the 40% claim but that is just as likely mostly driven by sample bias as accuracy. ]


The Lions are putting SL in the rearview mirror. You can debate how fast that is happening, but not that the majority of have moved on.

Frankly, since SL is still getting security updates folks are continuing. Apple isn't particularly likely to continue that once 10.9 ships. Under the old update cadence of roughly 18 months the 10.(n-2) OS got dropped. 2* 18 months is about 3 years. On this new yearly cadence, the legacy support window likely to be any longer. Once security updates stop (and new iTunes support stops), SL usage is going to shift gears to an even higher rate of decline.



All that has exceeding little to do with "rejection" and just the normal 'lazy' update process that a large fraction of production shops follow. "Wait till the installed OS is about to be desupported and then update to what is not now the bleeding edge."



But at the end of the day, we just have to admit Apple doesn't Care.™

At the end of the day there is a ton of smoke being blown about Snow Leopard is the last usable version of OS X. This really isn't new typically very similar group is always claming that several versions back was better (or that OS 9 was better ).
 
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This über thread regarding the Mac Pro @ WWDC (über, because it's front page) is more than 12 hours old, and only 216 (now 217) replies long...

IMHO, this shows that there isn't too much interest compared to other Apple products. Even here over @ MacRumors.

The Mac Pro has always been a niche product given its size and price tag, so of course there isn't as much interest in it as mainstream consumer products. That's a given from the start.

Also, 1) most of the "larger" threads here are filled with posts from trolls. The MP has no natural enemies anymore. The Mac-Win war ended last decade. And 2) the MP, being a true pro machine, it operated by pros who don't necessarily have time to post on forums.
 
1) most of the "larger" threads here are filled with posts from trolls. The MP has no natural enemies anymore. The Mac-Win war ended last decade.

Not in the Mac Pro threads. Because almost always there is a "I can build a much cheaper xMac equivalent using a windows PC..." that shows up in discussion threads about the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro is the only "box with slots" so it always gets thrown up against the much wider range of "box with slots" on the Windows PC side.

The 80's legacy from factor is always going to drag back in the old wars from the 80's and 90's.
 
Actually I DO expect them to kill the current giant silver monolith. I think they will still have some form of "Pro" machine for developers but I don't think the form factor will be the same.

Optional external expansion bay would be a great way to allow fort a smaller form factor IMHO. It's been done before I know but not by Apple directly.
 
Riiiight...

Unless it has 4 Titans and 4 12-core Xeons @ 5Ghz, has Blu-Ray, HBO and makes coffee for 3,000 USD after taxes... I don't see how the complaining will stop...

:p

The above for under two grand! Then no complaining.
 
Not sure the case for the other retailers, but B&H doesn't keep a ton of available inventory for the Mac Pro's. Looks like they've been ordering on-demand directly from Apple for at least the past year and all shipping machines are seem to be constantly shipping with the latest OS versions and updates.

Was keeping an eye on their prices/inventory for awhile when figuring out purchasing roadmaps. The high-end models were recently backordered as well, but now are 100% in stock and available. They're expecting availability on 6/4, and if recent history means anything they do expect to have new inventory then.

Not sure what any of this really means, and I'm sure this will just get lost in the thread. Either way, WWDC is only a week or so away, so maybe this drama will come to a close sooner than later?
 
The new Mac Pro... 80% thinner and 60% lighter!

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Not sure the case for the other retailers, but B&H doesn't keep a ton of available inventory for the Mac Pro's. Looks like they've been ordering on-demand directly from Apple for at least the past year and all shipping machines are seem to be constantly shipping with the latest OS versions and updates.

Was keeping an eye on their prices/inventory for awhile when figuring out purchasing roadmaps. The high-end models were recently backordered as well, but now are 100% in stock and available. They're expecting availability on 6/4, and if recent history means anything they do expect to have new inventory then.

Not sure what any of this really means, and I'm sure this will just get lost in the thread. Either way, WWDC is only a week or so away, so maybe this drama will come to a close sooner than later?

I think it means that this Mac Pro supply tightening rumor/story has nothing at all to do with new Mac Pros.
 
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