Mac Pro Update - July 20th

[Roman23]

Exactly my thought...

Its going to be a silent update.. and thats it. There is really nothing signifcant about this at all to warrant a whole keynote about it.. its going to be all silent just like the addition of the w3580 for the single-quad cores in the BTO section, but frankly anyone who pays 1200.00 from a 2.66 to a 3.33 is crazy at best, as I got the w3580 for less than 600 dollars!

I might even have the capability already to run a B1 stepping processor in my mac pro as the B08 ending in my bootrom might be an indicator of this.
no proof, until I try.

And really, given this would be a silent update all one would have to do is get the microcode and flash it to the 2009 - voila! You will then be able to use westmere/gulftown.

Sandy Bridge however, is a MAJOR upgrade.. I don't see the gulftown being a really huge significant upgrade.. thats like the woodcrest getting clovertown.. but, from woodcrest and clovertown to HARPERTOWN? That was a SIGNIFICANT upgrade of the mac pro, as neither the clovertown mac pro nor the woodcrest can support Harpertown.

Just hope its true. However, I don't see Apple doing a keynote for the Mac Pro. I see the 2010 Mac Pro as a silent update... Just like new MBP, MB, and Mini. They seem to only do keynotes for their iGadgets now.

 

[Roman23]

We will just have to wait and see, now right?

this is starting to sound monotonous at best.. Who knows? I might have the microcode in my firmware already and don't even know it because its different from everyone elses.

I'm betting end of August :3

 

[Deepshade]

With no sign of any MP CPU updates, a fantasy post on Hardmac and only hints of GPU changes which could easily be attributed to Apple wanting to keep the Steam/Valve issues at bay, I see nothing at all to say the MacPro will be upgraded or even continued.

The only thing pushing this story along is previous update cycles.

 

[Roman23]

Thanks man..

Again, I know you are desparate for a new mac pro... but I wouldn't waste my time or breathe on tales that are being passed in the air without any valid proof or backup to that proof..

As I said earlier and in many posts.. and correct me if you think I am wrong.. I really think these processors are great drop in replacements for our current machines and don't warrant a totally new logic board, new box, new anything.. Suppose if one did have the microcode and passed on... this endless rumors discussion would come to a serious halt, as there is really no need for a significant overhaul of the mac pro..

I see these chips as adding a few more cores at best and maybe speeds - thats all.. nothing more, nothing less.. I just smell here not a new mac pro, but microcode needed for our machine so we can use these processors.. wouldn't you agree?

With no sign of any MP CPU updates, a fantasy post on Hardmac and only hints of GPU changes which could easily be attributed to Apple wanting to keep the Steam/Valve issues at bay, I see nothing at all to say the MacPro will be upgraded or even continued.

The only thing pushing this story along is previous update cycles.

 

[Deepshade]

Again, I know you are desparate for a new mac pro... but I wouldn't waste my time or breathe on tales that are being passed in the air without any valid proof or backup to that proof..

As I said earlier and in many posts.. and correct me if you think I am wrong.. I really think these processors are great drop in replacements for our current machines and don't warrant a totally new logic board, new box, new anything.. Suppose if one did have the microcode and passed on... this endless rumors discussion would come to a serious halt, as there is really no need for a significant overhaul of the mac pro..

I see these chips as adding a few more cores at best and maybe speeds - thats all.. nothing more, nothing less.. I just smell here not a new mac pro, but microcode needed for our machine so we can use these processors.. wouldn't you agree?

Totally agree.

Over the years Apple have gradually made the 'Pro' box more upgradeable not out of choice but out of necessity. Unfortunately for all they never let you see the whole picture. It is going to be the same with any Apple code. They may release the OS for everyone to purchase, but they still hang on to the essential keys the city. And that means most of us are still slaves to the temple of Apple.

Apple complain about closed development (Flash) but are complete hypocrites when it comes to user involvement with products and development.

Personally I'd like to see a fast hexcore. Don't need a new box. Firewire 800 is fast enough (find me a third party box that needs faster) USB 3 is a natural progression.Speed wise - something that hits the middle ground. Fast for those apps that don't make use of 4,8 cores, and enough cores for those that do.

 

[Cindori]

With no sign of any MP CPU updates, a fantasy post on Hardmac and only hints of GPU changes which could easily be attributed to Apple wanting to keep the Steam/Valve issues at bay, I see nothing at all to say the MacPro will be upgraded or even continued.

oh god, stop your b*llsh*t crying. we have fully functional 5870 drivers and semi functional GTX 480 drivers leaked. Of course a new mac pro is coming.

 

[Deepshade]

oh god, stop your b*llsh*t crying. we have fully functional 5870 drivers and semi functional GTX 480 drivers leaked. Of course a new mac pro is coming.

Crying - who's crying?. Just stating what's obvious at the moment.

PS - No need to stoop to childish name calling. I had great respect for your posts until this one - big disappointment.

 

[WardC]

Steve Jobs recently said in a reply e-mail about the matter:

"No Need to update yet. The current Mac Pro is still a very good and Powerfully efficient workstation."

So it's highly doubtful, right now. My hopes for July 13th came and went, best hope now is for maybe September or something.

 

[oilfighter]

Steve Jobs recently said in a reply e-mail about the matter:

"No Need to update yet. The current Mac Pro is still a very good and Powerfully efficient workstation."

So it's highly doubtful, right now. My hopes for July 13th came and went, best hope now is for maybe September or something.

A few issues with that email.

1. we don't know if it's really Steve Job (or someone from Apple)
2. The Mac Pro is still very good and powerful, can't deny that. But it is also extremely over priced. It was expensive over 500 days ago, and the price hasn't changed while individual components are now out of date, and have come down in prices. This fact makes the Mac Pro ridiculously over priced.

 

[Roman23]

do you have proof he said this?

If this is true that Steve Jobs himself said those very words, then the verdict is we are not going to see a mac pro this year.. Breaking what he said it can be summed up as follows.. I will put it in my words:

"No need to update yet" - this means the following: The 2009 series of mac pros are very powerful workstations and as thus I see no reason at this immediate time to upgrade or replace them.

"The current mac pro is still a very good and powerfully efficient workstation" - The mac pro 2009 series is the most technically advanced and most powerful systems we have created and we believe that it will see everyone who owns one into the next 1-2 years. The Nehalem is all about speed and cores, and this is what you all have - enough to get through the toughest of pro audio and video jobs.

Conclusion,

If this does happen to be the very words of Steve Jobs himself then the ink is already on the paper - no mac pro, no 2010 update, or so we have all been thinking that thus far. No indication by his statement reflects anything at all with a coming of a new platform, and furthermore if this isn't genuine from Jobs himself, then someone is starting a very very vicious cycle of rumors and pretending that the following statement, was and in fact from Job's mouth. At this point, having analyzed in my own words what he was saying, its very doubtful this was really from his mouth as the person who originally posted this didn't provide any proof nor evidence into whether or not this even happened or not.. I can easily write an email and set up another email account with sjobs@apple.com, if I so pleased in doing so, but I really don't believe, given the time and schedule that Mr. Jobs has that he would take time out of his very busy and hectic(iphone problems, and complaints) schedule and reply to someone from macrumors.com.. Very highly unlikely..

At any rate I put a question mark on the validity of the statement from steve jobs, as we have no reliable source seeing and hearing him say this.. only words on email.. and this is nothing but HERESAY..

Therefore, I firmly believe this did not come from Steve Jobs or anyone else at Apple for that matter, I think its someone who is trying to keep our hopes up, but its causing more harm than good - SO PLEASE STOP!!

Steve Jobs recently said in a reply e-mail about the matter:

"No Need to update yet. The current Mac Pro is still a very good and Powerfully efficient workstation."

So it's highly doubtful, right now. My hopes for July 13th came and went, best hope now is for maybe September or something.

 

[Roman23]

AS i SAID..

There is no evidence of any reliable source having been near steve jobs at the time of him saying this or recording what he said.. at any rate, the following statement is probably nothing more than heresay and someone's opinion from macrumors.com who is pretending to be Steve Jobs.. This happens all the time when rumors go around and claim its from the CEO of Apple.. I highly, VERY highly doubt that the statement below came out of Jobs' mouth - given the man has a lot of issues right now with the iphone and very unhappy customers, he has a lot on his plate at present without the need to worry about responding to someone's email from macrumors.com about when a 2010 mac pro is coming out..

In light of what we know, there is no credible evidence support this message at all.. Anyone can write anything.. any email address can be duplicated and also no one really knows the format of steve's email address, and possibly he might have many others we don't know about.

I am in agreement with those who say that this could not have possibly come from Jobs himself.. I know if I was CEO of a multi-billion dollar company, I would be inindated with my share holders constantly and never have any real break in the day and if someone were to have sent me an email from say a rumors site, I probably would have erased it and thought it was junk mail.. thats just me, but I am sure Steve Paul Jobs does not have time for any of these kinds of emails as he gets emails everyday, but we don't know what his real email address is as he might have so many.

As far as it being someone from Apple - ALSO HIGHLY UNLIKELY. No Apple executive would have the time to answer an email from a site that tries to expose his products or tries to predict any new items coming up when in fact there may not be any such new products - in this case, the 2010 mac pro.

In light of this however, I am inclined to believe that this message is not authentic and does not come from the very voice and mouth of Steve Jobs.

A few issues with that email.

1. we don't know if it's really Steve Job (or someone from Apple)
2. The Mac Pro is still very good and powerful, can't deny that. But it is also extremely over priced. It was expensive over 500 days ago, and the price hasn't changed while individual components are now out of date, and have come down in prices. This fact makes the Mac Pro ridiculously over priced.

 

[PaulD-UK]

If this is true that Steve Jobs himself said those very words...

Hi
Google those very words. No hits...
Google the beginning of the sentence: A direct hit to an SJ reply email about the iPhone 4...

Steve Jobs has never arbirtarily capitalised mid-sentence words.

∴ the email is false.

But the message of the false email is probably spot on.

For the current creation of content for the iToys the Mac Pro is fine.
For deployment in the North Carolina Cloud Centre the MP and the XServe will do fine.
Current Apple Pro Apps software development to utilise multi-core computers is very much still work-in-progress, so more cores can wait, as they don't bring much to the party.
And since the current EOL'd ATI graphics chips are running in short supply, drivers have to be readied for when only the new chips are left in the assembly line parts bin.

 

[Roman23]

I would defend you given what CIndori said to you..

but, i prefer to not get involved.. this is between you and Cindori.. personally, the young man hasn't said anything bad to me and thus he and I are cool. Just because of the hint of a 5870 kext does not prove really anything at all.. as no reliable word of evidence said anything about a mac pro coming up.. No recorded source or primary source has been given citing this.. all we have are nothing but fanciful tales and fantasy based rumors with no credibility whatsoever.. It goes without saying:

100 rumors x 0 = 0 if no validity is associated with them.. therefore, at this point the matter of 57xx or 58xx series radeon drivers as kexts in the mac mini don't hold water either as no one at Apple or anywhere else is saying that even those cards are coming out from Apple..

Now, we could goto the source of who makes the radeons and ask them, but I doubt the engineers at AMD/ATI will release that information since we aren't Apple engineers.

Crying - who's crying?. Just stating what's obvious at the moment.

PS - No need to stoop to childish name calling. I had great respect for your posts until this one - big disappointment.

 

[Roman23]

So, you have read my messages?

What do you think? Heresay? I sure smell it.

You are right about the pro apps..

Hi
Google those very words. No hits...
Google the beginning of the sentence: A direct hit to an SJ reply email about the iPhone 4...

Steve Jobs has never arbirtarily capitalised mid-sentence words.

∴ the email is false.

But the message of the false email is probably spot on.

For the current creation of content for the iToys the Mac Pro is fine.
For deployment in the North Carolina Cloud Centre the MP and the XServe will do fine.
Current Apple Pro Apps software development to utilise multi-core computers is very much still work-in-progress, so more cores can wait, as they don't bring much to the party.

 

[Roman23]

5870 drivers

While this may be something credible to support a new mac pro coming, it is mostly some evidence that someone may or may not come.. Again, no reliable source or word of mouth genuine has mentioned that because of these kexts that a new mac pro is coming.. we simply don't know and until someone does provide FULL 100 PERCENT supporting claims and evidence that a 2010 mac pro is really coming, at best those are all rumors and 100 rumors x 0 evidence = 0.

oh god, stop your b*llsh*t crying. we have fully functional 5870 drivers and semi functional GTX 480 drivers leaked. Of course a new mac pro is coming.

 

[WardC]

You can read the full thread about this "Steve Jobs e-mail" here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/959433/

 

[Roman23]

I don't need to read it..

Because there is no evidence supporting it.. it is fantasy, its fake.. it never happened.

You can read the full thread about this "Steve Jobs e-mail" here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/959433/

 

[Cindori]

Crying - who's crying?. Just stating what's obvious at the moment.

PS - No need to stoop to childish name calling. I had great respect for your posts until this one - big disappointment.

no you're not stating what is obvious, you choose to look away from straight facts
what the heck does leaked 5000 series drivers have anything to do with Steam? You don't know what you are talking about

Just because of the hint of a 5870 kext does not prove really anything at all..

There is no "hint of 5870 kext", there is FULL SUPPORT for ATI Radeon 5870, people are RUNNING THAT CARD RIGHT NOW in their OSX machines. This means ATI has written a driver for a card that they are planning to launch. They don't write drivers "for the fun of it".



meanwhile, the iPhone antenna issue has had apple, and I quote, "working their ass off for the last 22 days". This definately contributed to the already late Mac Pro release.

 

[deconstruct60]

Current Apple Pro Apps software development to utilise multi-core computers is very much still work-in-progress, so more cores can wait, as they don't bring much to the party.

Apple is going to hold up the Mac Pros just for their Pro apps? That's goofy. The current Pro Apps are not the most critical driving Mac Pro sales.
Any Mac Pro sold now with more cores only enables a future version of those apps. In fact if "multi core" is one of the primary features of new Pro apps then you dinimish that feature by not deploying more cores now. The value proposition for someone who already has the cores is going to be much higher than for someone who has to run out and buy a new box to get them.

The Pro Apps are late. The competitor apps can all go multicore now and run on Windows platform. Holding the cores back only entices even more folks to jump ship. That is a dubious strategy... it isn't going to raise Pro Apps sales nor Mac Pro sales.

And since the current EOL'd ATI graphics chips are running in short supply, drivers have to be readied for when only the new chips are left in the assembly line parts bin.

Just because something drops off the general market doesn't mean can't buy it. Components that are part of long term support contracts can have arrangements made so that can get parts even after stop being marketed to general public.

The new drivers are not 100% conclusive new cards being worked on to be added to the mix, but they are not 100% indicative that the they aren't either. The majority of the time new kernel support that "leaks" in a released OS is indicative of something that exists.

 

[Roman23]

This helps ATI

And gives AMD credibility.. Unlike Apple, AMD is a lot nicer to deal with.. and yes, I know I see people using 5870's in the mac pros and pc's.. but this does not give any credibility to a mac pro at all coming or no evidence supporting it.. it just supports the proof that the 5870 is now a reality and can run in the mac pros..

I myself might consider this card.. but might need some help with getting it to run.. and I ask you if and when I do decide to get a 5870 flashed card, can you help me to get it to work in my 2009 mac pro?

no you're not stating what is obvious, you choose to look away from straight facts
what the heck does leaked 5000 series drivers have anything to do with Steam? You don't know what you are talking about



There is no "hint of 5870 kext", there is FULL SUPPORT for ATI Radeon 5870, people are RUNNING THAT CARD RIGHT NOW in their OSX machines. This means ATI has written a driver for a card that they are planning to launch. They don't write drivers "for the fun of it".



meanwhile, the iPhone antenna issue has had apple, and I quote, "working their ass off for the last 22 days". This definately contributed to the already late Mac Pro release.

 

[Hellhammer]

And gives AMD credibility.. Unlike Apple, AMD is a lot nicer to deal with.. and yes, I know I see people using 5870's in the mac pros and pc's.. but this does not give any credibility to a mac pro at all coming or no evidence supporting it.. it just supports the proof that the 5870 is now a reality and can run in the mac pros..

I myself might consider this card.. but might need some help with getting it to run.. and I ask you if and when I do decide to get a 5870 flashed card, can you help me to get it to work in my 2009 mac pro?

Like Cindori said, drivers are not written just for fun. Apple doesn't include them in OS X so people can buy 3rd party cards and use them. They include them so they can release a product that uses them. AMD wrote them because Apple asked for 5870.

There doesn't have to be rumors for an update to be true. Mini had zero piece of news or evidence but it still came. Mac Pro will come, no matter are there rumors saying it is coming or not.

 

[Cindori]

you can't flash without EFIROM

Like Cindori said, drivers are not written just for fun. Apple doesn't include them in OS X so people can buy 3rd party cards and use them. They include them so they can release a product that uses them. AMD wrote them because Apple asked for 5870.

There doesn't have to be rumors for an update to be true. Mini had zero piece of news or evidence but it still came. Mac Pro will come, no matter are there rumors saying it is coming or not.

finally, a sane person

 

[apolloa]

With no sign of any MP CPU updates, a fantasy post on Hardmac and only hints of GPU changes which could easily be attributed to Apple wanting to keep the Steam/Valve issues at bay, I see nothing at all to say the MacPro will be upgraded or even continued.

The only thing pushing this story along is previous update cycles.

New GPU's have nothing to do with the whole Steam\ Valve issue, they have already said it's down to the drivers which are basically rubbish. After the last Snow Leopard update pretty much everyone has experienced performance loss in games.

I think you will also see updates to the imac and the Mac Pro on the same day just like they did before.

 

[Roman23]

But also consider this..

The MINI is a consumer based machine.. and plus holds more support than the mac pro does.. more people would buy the mini as its part of Apple's consumer line and not the pro line..

Cindori: I am very sane my friend.. remember you deal with me? You wouldn't make fun of me and I won't make fun of you... got it?

I am not stupid.. I damn well know that if there are new video kexts there that Apple or someone in engineering at Apple requested them.. but what I am saying is it doesn't answer any validity to a coming mac pro.. a coming video card, YES.... of course..

And yes, when the true 5870 Apple card comes out, I will buy it of course.. though I think it will not be as powerful as the pc flashed cards which offer 1.5-2GB of GDDR5 or higher memory.

Like Cindori said, drivers are not written just for fun. Apple doesn't include them in OS X so people can buy 3rd party cards and use them. They include them so they can release a product that uses them. AMD wrote them because Apple asked for 5870.

There doesn't have to be rumors for an update to be true. Mini had zero piece of news or evidence but it still came. Mac Pro will come, no matter are there rumors saying it is coming or not.

 

[Deepshade]

New GPU's have nothing to do with the whole Steam\ Valve issue, they have already said it's down to the drivers which are basically rubbish. After the last Snow Leopard update pretty much everyone has experienced performance loss in games.

I think you will also see updates to the imac and the Mac Pro on the same day just like they did before.

Happy to take on board any info. Shame it can't be imparted by all in an adult manner.