Mac Pro Update Now Possible with New Xeon E5 Chips Next Week

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Hope the following specs along with xeon e5:
1. Usb 3.0
2. TB
3. Nvidia card
4. Standard 4gb ram (8gb ram is mote if a wishful thinking)
5. 1TB 7200rpm ( ssd would always be in BTO)
 
Crzyrio said:
Lets see, a Quad core or 12 cores? 10-20% Faster?

How stupid can you be? Believe it or not, people in the video/audio/ what ever industry but the Mac Pros because they have the software to use up all 12 cores.

And really? You brought windows into this?
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I would go on a limb saying I'm a lot smarter than you think.

Thanks for not reading not my post..

1)$2500 Mac Pros START with Quad core...or can't you read? And I would certainly bet that a Xeon Quad core $2500 Mac isn't that much (hence 10-20%) faster than a high end iMac.

2)Yup...video and audio industry experts are certainly NICHE. Or are you trying to convince me that there are as many diehard a/v experts out there as there are as the regular consumers of personal computers?

3)Here we go again...Windows...not even gonna start a 100 page essay on this. Suffice to say that my point was that a $2500 Mac Pro box can easily be challenged by a cheaper Wintel box.
 
theelysium said:
I have been waiting for an update for so long... I really hope the enclosure is going to be updated as well. Hopefully rack mountable!
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Oh yes please, at least will fit in the gap of a rack somehow!
2 x gbit ethernet
4 or more drives
dual power supplies... oh wait this all sounds familiar!

Ok I'll make do with a bigger Mac Mini with more expansion...Apple have this great thing called "Profile Manager" that needs to run on a Mac Pro if you have more than 50 iPads
 
not1lost said:
sounds like your pretty convenced... maybe I should hold out a little longer, Id feel better tho if I just had a more sure word from Apple - but good luck on that; right...
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It's an educated guess , it's been more than 580+ days since the last upgrade... Way pass due ...BUT the Xeon was not ready!
apple need CPU to offer something new...
The good news is for noe new XEON ready, and almost 600 days....
I have no choice to sell now before being too much hit by the devaluation when MP6.1 release.

In the meantime ,i sent comment to apple.com/feedback asking to move their @sses :D
 
tylerk36 said:
Wow! A 16 core Mac Pro. Wow. Who would ever have thought. Istat menues showing 16 individual cores. Holy cores batman.
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If this is a reply to my post, I said 16 virtual cores. This is exactly what the current 8 core Mac Pro gives you. Right now, if you were to check activity monitor or run iStat menu's on a 12-core MP it would show 24 cores, due to Intel's hyperthreading. Hyperthreading basically allows for better performance in many cases (particularly apps that aren't that well threaded) by allowing 2 threads per core. You can think of it as tricking programs to think double the number of real cores exists.

Arstechnica has a great review of the current 12 core system, especially with regards to when many cores improves performance dramatically and when it doesn't. In particular you can see the amount of virtual cores that iStat menu's shows right there on the first page. It's rather humorous.

EDIT: Nevermind, I take it you were talking about the new 8 core Xeon chips, right? Still, as I said today iStats will show up to 24 cores for the MP's. With these chips this would become a positively absurd 32 virtual cores
 
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TwitchOSX said:
Wrong. Go quote a dell with the same specs as our new Mac Pro and tell me how much that costs. It's about the same price if not more expensive than the Mac Pro.

Go spec out all the parts (including a very very high end case) at Newegg and let me know what the price is. You might get it a little cheaper through Newegg but then you have to spend the time putting it together.
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So now I am forced to buy Dell? Oh, and so you know, those Dell prices you see online are basically full price...if someone pays those prices they didn't do their homework. Besides, businesses (I would argue the folks buying the Pros) would get a pretty good discount at Dell (as I have worked at numerous companies in IT and had great deals from Dell).

I see where you're going with Newegg and Dell list prices, but that's certainly not the price(s) that folks pay for Wintel workstations.
 
I'll take please -
High-end 12 core machine
16 to 24GB RAM
512GB SSD for OS & apps
3TB HD for data
2x 27" Thunderbolt displays

I will most certainly splurge this time around - probably the last time I will.
 
evalex said:
an external HDD/RAID box make the workflow/capability problems disappear for 99% of professionals who "need" a Mac Pro. Photo/video editing software gets much less of a boost from multiplying CPU cores than a lot of people drooling over 12-core beasts would like to admit. It's also why the vast majority of mac pros in the production world are of the lowly quad-core variety.
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Yikes. Starting at $1,149, roughly the same price as the baseline 21 inch iMac.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/H5184VC/A/Thunderbolt?n=raid&fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&s=topSellers

Is there a cheaper option out there? Firewire perhaps?
 
ericinboston said:
I would go on a limb saying I'm a lot smarter than you think.

Thanks for not reading not my post..

1)$2500 Mac Pros START with Quad core...or can't you read? And I would certainly bet that a Xeon Quad core $2500 Mac isn't that much (hence 10-20%) faster than a high end iMac.

2)Yup...video and audio industry experts are certainly NICHE. Or are you trying to convince me that there are as many diehard a/v experts out there as there are as the regular consumers of personal computers?

3)Here we go again...Windows...not even gonna start a 100 page essay on this. Suffice to say that my point was that a $2500 Mac Pro box can easily be challenged by a cheaper Wintel box.
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Yes, it is niche. But so what? If Apple can make any profit at all in this area then it is still worth pursuing.

With regards to point 3... Go on. Seriously, go out and find me an example of a comparable workstation to in particular the base 8 core and 12 core Mac Pro's. For reasons I've already explained, i7's are not comparable to Xeons. Remember that today is day 583 after the MP was last updated, and that because Apple does not lower there prices these machines were at their best value more than a year and a half ago. Still, my guess is that if you were to configure a comparable windows box that actually used the same components as the MP it would be much more expensive than you think. And that is ignoring many things such as service, software (OS X), enclosure, etc.

So now I am forced to buy Dell? Oh, and so you know, those Dell prices you see online are basically full price...if someone pays those prices they didn't do their homework. Besides, businesses (I would argue the folks buying the Pros) would get a pretty good discount at Dell (as I have worked at numerous companies in IT and had great deals from Dell).

I see where you're going with Newegg and Dell list prices, but that's certainly not the price(s) that folks pay for Wintel workstations.
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For consistency we can only compare the full prices that each company provides, we'd be going in circles to talk abput discounts, special deals, etc. You'd have to consider refurbished macs, and the excellent educational discounts for example (in particular the edu discounts the applecare very significantly, which is pretty important in a workstation).

And no, you're not forced to go Dell, but give us an example. I've seen countless comparisons to Dell and HP in particular vs Mac Pro's and for the most part Apple is very competitive here price wise. They are generally more expensive when considering optional upgrades, and pro grade GPU's (Quadro / FirePro), but competitors generally lack an enclosure of the same quality, don't run OS X. Also, especially with Applecare, apple's service is highly respected. I won't argue which is slightly better value, since we all value these aspects differently. But I will argue that Apple is very competitive here in it's pricing.
 
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I wonder how much more Mac Pros Apple would sell if they updated it more frequently. Not necessarily big updates, maybe just new graphics cards, bigger/faster hard drives. Thunderbolt.

But then again, Apple is a business which means $$$ and profit are the most things and the iOS devices are where they're at. Plus, several minor updates aren't Apple's thing. Apple prefers the less frequent, big updates it seems like.
 
A Mac Pro (at least in it's current state) really isn't necessary anymore with Thunderbolt.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mac Pros are awesome, they are just way overpriced and not necessary for 99% of users.

via Thunderbolt: Massively fast storage is already available, as is external Video cards, capture devices, Fibre channel, LAN ports?

This stuff just needs to get more widely available and cheaper.
 
kalsta said:
Let's see it Apple. So the Mac Pro doesn't make a lot of money for the company anymore… But what it does give Apple is much needed credibility with the professional community. Remember Apple, how we kept you alive through the dark years? We stayed by your deathbed, feeding you our hard-earned profits though a straw after Windows 95 did a hit and run on you.

We might be a small minority of your customers now, but we're still a passionate and vocal minority. I feel credibility within the pro market does filter down to consumers one way or another.
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Nobody cares about this minority, there is zero halo effect from the Mac Pro, stop patting yourself on the back, Apple doesn't owe you anything.

You've confused what you want to be the case with what is actually the case, like every other thread about Mac Pros where Real Users who do Real Professional Work express their boring sense of entitlement, bla bla bla
 
Well once these and the new iMacs are released I can better make my new purchase. Haven't really decided yet, but I understand the pros and cons as wells what one needs is quite subjective.

Stoked either way!
 
StefSSU said:
Yes, it is niche. But so what? If Apple can make any profit at all in this area then it is still worth pursuing.
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No, the fact they can make 'any profit at all' doesn't in itself make it worth pursuing, because the return on their investment in that area might be less than investing their resources elsewhere.
 
Custommm said:
It's an educated guess , it's been more than 580+ days since the last upgrade... Way pass due ...BUT the Xeon was not ready!
apple need CPU to offer something new...
The good news is for noe new XEON ready, and almost 600 days....
I have no choice to sell now before being too much hit by the devaluation when MP6.1 release.

In the meantime ,i sent comment to apple.com/feedback asking to move their @sses :D
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Well now, that's some encouraging news! :) yeah, and put my name on that comment to Apple... :D
 
At this point, I think Apple could care less about the Mac Pro.

Remember what Jobs did when he came back to Apple:

HE ELIMINATED PRODUCTS!

I think it's only a matter of time until the Mac Pro will get dropped. Apple is a 'consumer' electronics company. All that Apple cares about is that developers can write apps for the App Stores. If that can be done on non-MacPro hardware, then I see no reason for Apple to continue this product. And with Thunderbolt, even 'less powerful' machines could be upgraded externally to accommodate the few people who need Mac Pro performance.
 
sulpfiction said:
If those iOS "toys" were soley responsible for making you BILLIONS of dollars, and helped make you the richest company on earth....I'd bet you focus on those "toys" too. :)
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Keep in mind that iOS devices are popular because of all the Apps that you can put on them, and that EVERY SINGLE APP on the app store was built on a 'real computer'.

A person can like iOS products and still have a use for a high end machine as well.

It's all a matter of balance, ignoring their computer market means they are ignoring a good deal of their developers.
 
Kuipo said:
Keep in mind that iOS devices are popular because of all the Apps that you can put on them, and that EVERY SINGLE APP on the app store was built on a 'real computer'.

A person can like iOS products and still have a use for a high end machine as well.

It's all a matter of balance, ignoring their computer market means they are ignoring a good deal of their developers.
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Keep in mind that Apple makes 'real computers' other than the Mac Pro and that ignoring the Mac Pro isn't ignoring their computer market.
 
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