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but but but 8 gigabyte mac memory is like 128 TB PC ramz. /s

in their defense, it's probably because the max is just glued together pros so you need both sides of the glue to get that extra RAM. who knows.
Possibly not enough space for the ram but again if you go with M3 Max 16 cores and 96gb of ram and save $400 you can't it's 128gb or 64gb. So weird.

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Apple raised the price of entry level MacBook Pro from $1,299 to $1,599.

They expect to sell more?

People want performance improvement, but M1 to M3 is only 30% uplift.
Only 30% 😳🤣
For $300 more, you get an extra 256gb storage ($200) you also get a bigger and much better screen, a much better speaker system, many more ports, mag safe and a much better camera.
That's a steal in my book, New M3 arriving in 6 days 😊
 
Only 30% 😳🤣
For $300 more, you get an extra 256gb storage ($200) you also get a bigger and much better screen, a much better speaker system, many more ports, mag safe and a much better camera.
That's a steal in my book, New M3 arriving in 6 days 😊

First time I've heard of getting HDMI and card reader as "many more ports." Especially since the HDMI can't be used to drive a second external monitor.

Both MBA and MBP have 1080p webcam and 6 speakers.
 
I don't care about M1,2,3. I do care about extremely expensive RAM and SSD prices. It's the only reason I'm still waiting to upgrade.

Exactly...

Earth to Tim Apple

Bring the component upgrade pricing down from orbit a bit and you'll see people who've remained on the sidelines (like myself) perhaps make a purchase.

I refuse to pay their RAM/SSD upgrade surcharges as they are HILARIOUSLY out of line with market pricing on those things now.
 
Entry-level pricing is meaningless when you have Macs shipping with the same amount of RAM as an iPhone...in 2023.

Its kinda telling ...

Is it your position that Macs are bigger devices and therefore should have more RAM?

Remember that iOS and macOS have the same foundational libraries, same frameworks.

It should be recognized as a plus that Macs are capable of running well on a lower amount of RAM, for entry-level users.

Unlike "netbooks" from years past that did sacrifice specs for a lower price, and had terrible performance as a result. Now, if Macs did have terrible performance, then we'd have something to talk about. The original Mac minis come to mind.
 
One of the things that truly baffled me was having the MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro names printed on the front bezels of some models, and not others.

That small detail... so small, but you see and think why?? why have it on some and not others... its the details that count when you're spending so much on a device.
Or removing the iconic Apple logo from the iMacs chin.
 
Exactly...

Earth to Tim Apple

Bring the component upgrade pricing down from orbit a bit and you'll see people who've remained on the sidelines (like myself) perhaps make a purchase.

I refuse to pay their RAM/SSD upgrade surcharges as they are HILARIOUSLY out of line with market pricing on those things now.
Bingo. The chips themself doesn’t actually offer a huge upgrade incentive for somebody with an m1 or m2.

Memory and SSD is an incentive. Unfortunately , Apple isn’t quite moving with the times here. The Apple tax on SSDs is insane at this stage.
 
The M1 series were just too good.
This was a fine balancing act since they had to make a BIG splash. Being "good enough" wouldn't work for the long run to differentiate from Intel. Now the need to undo the generational leap by slowing down the newer chips to bring incremental changes that are more traditional. This allows them to wring every dollar possible from the generational investment. It's the Intel marketing strategy playbook and Tim Apple is a logistics guy at heart.
 
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First time I've heard of getting HDMI and card reader as "many more ports." Especially since the HDMI can't be used to drive a second external monitor.

Both MBA and MBP have 1080p webcam and 6 speakers.
Wow so knowledgeable, how about some facts;
Neither of the M2 13" MBA or MBP have six speakers (MBA 15" does) but it's no where near as good as the 14" MBP
The 13" m2 MBP only has a 720p camera and the 1080p on the Air is not as good as on the Pro machines.
Has that helped u out? 🤣
 
Apple is investing billions into Vision Pro, AI stuff, etc. The next leap for apple will not come from their old products (which are all in mature markets by now) but from the new stuff. Vision and AI (and maybe apple car but probably not) have the potential to take them from a $3 trillion company to a $6 trillion one.

Of course, this all is pretty far in the future. 10 years, give or take, before these products are really mainstream. Apple has to both play the long game, investing a lot in the future, and hold their position in the market right now so as to have enough money and bandwidth and brand value to keep investing. This is a tricky place to be in, stuck between a maturing past trying to juice money out of it and a barely-emerging future. And it's complicated by the fact that Tim Cook will likely step down in 5-10 years (he's 63 right now), right before the big turning point of the company from past to future takes place.

If they can play their cards right, it will be awesome. This is where Steve Jobs thrived. All of his products were brand-new, market shifting, visionary. With Tim Cook though, you never know. If they don't play their cards right...
 
Is it your position that Macs are bigger devices and therefore should have more RAM?

Remember that iOS and macOS have the same foundational libraries, same frameworks.

It should be recognized as a plus that Macs are capable of running well on a lower amount of RAM, for entry-level users.

Unlike "netbooks" from years past that did sacrifice specs for a lower price, and had terrible performance as a result. Now, if Macs did have terrible performance, then we'd have something to talk about. The original Mac minis come to mind.
MBPs are typically used with more demanding software compared to iOS devices or even regular MacBooks.

Sure you can technically run Final Cut with 4GB of RAM but no sane person will do that.

Adobe ask for 16GB minimum and recommend 32GB

The whole MacOS/iOS being more efficient with RAM argument (not always true) to me doesn't really fly.

And thats not even considering the general economics of it.
 
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Apple is investing billions into Vision Pro, AI stuff, etc. The next leap for apple will not come from their old products (which are all in mature markets by now) but from the new stuff. Vision and AI (and maybe apple car but probably not) have the potential to take them from a $3 trillion company to a $6 trillion one.

Of course, this all is pretty far in the future. 10 years, give or take, before these products are really mainstream. Apple has to both play the long game, investing a lot in the future, and hold their position in the market right now so as to have enough money and bandwidth and brand value to keep investing. This is a tricky place to be in, stuck between a maturing past trying to juice money out of it and a barely-emerging future. And it's complicated by the fact that Tim Cook will likely step down in 5-10 years (he's 63 right now), right before the big turning point of the company from past to future takes place.

If they can play their cards right, it will be awesome. This is where Steve Jobs thrived. All of his products were brand-new, market shifting, visionary. With Tim Cook though, you never know. If they don't play their cards right...
I do hope Tim Apple can stay at Apple another 5 to 10 years

I think he’s done a good job considering the challenges. One thing for sure, it will be a hard job finding a suitable successor.
 
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