Mac Sales Continue to Slide Amid Lack of Updates

elgrecomac said:
Windows 10 on a Surface 4 is beating the Mac.
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I played with the Surface in a shop and while I like the concept, I found the execution doesn't quite live up to the promise.

As for Windows 10. It's functional and capable but in my experience (I run it on a Mac mini) it's slower than El Cap and is mired with annoying bugs and UI consistency issues.

Software's sucked ever since UI's went graphical. Bring back the CLI.
 
I've waited long enough for a new macbook pro. tired of waiting. getting a wacom moble studio pro instead.
Microsoft is looking more and more attractive. *sigh*
 
PizzaBoxStyle said:
What else do the majority of users need? First thing that comes to mind: USB-C.

How about next-gen connectivity?
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You can't win with the idiots who say "what does the majority need" because it's a false question.

The majority don't need usb-c yet, but some do. The majority don't need plenty of onboard storage, but some do. The majority don't need a dGPU, but some do. The majority don't need a powerful CPU, but some do.

There is a huge list of things that can be summed up as people need a computer designed around performance, features, and connectivity and not thinness, but the idiots will pick apart every little usage case and say they're a small minority that don't count. The reality is that all those small minorities add up to the vast majority and that's why Apple has a tiny market share.
 
Bruce Oksol said:
I'm fanboy #3 -- grabbed that spot years ago -- although I probably share it with thousands. I think it's a huge testament to Apple's quality products that upgrades in this area not seen as all that important . Not much reason to update something just for the sake of updating something.

Having said that, I'm disappointed they seem to be constrained by the iPhone (and perhaps the AppleWatch) but that, too, will take care of itself.

My hunch is that Apple has much bigger fish to fry than upgrading non-mobile hardware/software products.
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Tim plays his fiddle, all the while the core Apple enthusiasts from 5-15 years ago, migrate away. Now Tim has the 'good enough for me' customer base, who ohhs and ahhhs at the latest idiocy packaged as "courageous".

Apple of 2016 has turned it's back on the Apple of 2000-2010.

I've lost the passion, as I'm looking at all possibilities for my next computer. It's not limited to Apple, any longer. Enjoy your new Apple, fanboy#3. It's no longer my Apple anymore.
 
enc0re said:
If top management has stopped caring about the Mac, I wish they would appoint an executive dedicated to the Macintosh. This is a multi-billion dollar business that deserves competent leadership. Seriously, it would not be hard to make Mac hardware competitive.

1. Just give us annual refreshes with current components for starters.
2. Next, make the Mac Pro a 'cross over product' that could be specced with desktop class or workstation class components. No more: either workstation or laptop on a stick nonsense, with a gaping hole in the middle.
3. And by God, fix your damn OpenGL drivers!
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Apple seems more interested in social engineering and cocktail parties these days.
Apple product consumer since 1983
 
I hope after all this wait we're not gonna bite air. So better be good and powerful new mac line up otherwise we'll move to hackintosh
 
Until 2014 my company and me were "Mac only". Unfortunatly the PC develped and the Mac not.
To keep updated I had to by a Surface Pro 3 in mid 2014, a self configured PC in 2015 and a Dell Precision 15 in mid 2016. Last week I replaced the Surface Pro 3 with a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 yoga OLED.
I wish I could stay with Apple but I want to work with the best tools available ... Pen / Handwriting, Touch, replacable SSD/Harddisk make life much easier. Windows 10 is easy to use and in some aspects more comfortable then MacOS X.
 
Feenician said:
Like I said earlier in the thread for a certain class of buyer, "bigger numbers = better than", even when the nuance is completely missed. The sticker at Best Buy said it was the bestestestest o_O
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The existence of gullible and uninformed buyers is insufficient to justify the lack of updates. In fact, it is common for uninformed buyers ask someone who is informed which to get. The informed buyer is not going to recommend an outdated computer. It's all ironic, considering the iPhone 7 has the fastest and newest ARM processor available, while the mac line is using 3 y/o processors.
 
Freyqq said:
while ht mac line is using 3 y/o processors.
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Well, "the Mac line" isn't abandoned now, is it? MB and iMac are Skylake. It was only recently that Skylake processors suitable for rMBP were even released (and are errata filled garbage with little to recommend them over haswell) and, with any sense/luck, Apple will wait for Kaby. Trash can and Mac mini look abandoned, I'll give you that.

The gullible and uninformed buyer, from where I'm sitting, is the one who rushes out to buy some crappy pc with slow ssd's and crippled low power mobile processors just because they say a newer name on them and immediately declare them better.
 
I know Apple's line up is comparatively old (and overpriced) and I genuinely feel sorry for professional people who need more powerful machines to put food on the table.

What I don't understand though is all the nerd rage and fapping over specs and geekbench scores.

I've owned Macs for more than 15 years and I can't ever recall a time when Apple's hardware was competitive with PC hardware in terms of raw numbers and performance. Macs have always represented a very different value proposition.

I'm not being a fanboy apologist (I daily use Linux and Windows) rather, I'm pointing out what is obvious to me. The unique selling point of a Mac is a lightweight, aesthetic UNIX-based system with a very good user land. If that's not important to you, or you feel Apple is no longer delivering on that promise, then buy the Windows/Linux/BSD/Playstation/Xbox device that meets your needs.
 
trifid said:
Two words, I mean pictures of the state of Mac hardware:
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This has been the state of Mac hardware since the beginning of recorded history.
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d0nK said:
Shareholders need to take a back seat.
Get rid of Tim Cook please Apple.
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You mean, Tim "If you want me to do things only for return on investment reasons you should get out of this stock" Cook?
 
Feenician said:
Well, "the Mac line" isn't abandoned now, is it? MB and iMac are Skylake. It was only recently that Skylake processors suitable for rMBP were even released (and are errata filled garbage with little to recommend them over haswell) and, with any sense/luck, Apple will wait for Kaby. Trash can and Mac mini look abandoned, I'll give you that.

The gullible and uninformed buyer, from where I'm sitting, is the one who rushes out to buy some crappy pc with slow ssd's and crippled low power mobile processors just because they say a newer name on them and immediately declare them better.
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MBP 15" is still using chips from 2013. Well, a $500 PC isn't a fair comparison for a $1500 mac. A $1500 PC, though, is a fair comparison. Unfortunately, due to Apple's delays, PC has caught up in a big way.
 
dotnet said:
This has been the state of Mac hardware since the beginning of recorded history.
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I remember buying a 12 inch PowerBook for $3000 AUD when I was a Uni student.

These post-Intel, iPod/iPhone halo switchers need a little perspective. You've never had it so good :)
 
Osty said:
I know Apple's line up is comparatively old (and overpriced) and I genuinely feel sorry for professional people who need more powerful machines to put food on the table.

What I don't understand though is all the nerd rage and fapping over specs and geekbench scores.

I've owned Macs for more than 15 years and I can't ever recall a time when Apple's hardware was competitive with PC hardware in terms of raw numbers and performance. Macs have always represented a very different value proposition.

I'm not being a fanboy apologist (I daily use Linux and Windows) rather, I'm pointing out what is obvious to me. The unique selling point of a Mac is a lightweight, aesthetic UNIX-based system with a very good user land. If that's not important to you, or you feel Apple is no longer delivering on that promise, then buy the Windows/Linux/BSD/Playstation/Xbox device that meets your needs.
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Well said.

My secret hope is that the sales decline will lead to price readjustments, but I don't hold my breath. The sad thing for us antipodeans is that the last exchange rate adjustment has put the MacBook Pro almost out of reach for enthusiasts. In 2014 I paid about AU$3,200 for my rMBP. The equivalent model would now cost me AU$4,300.
 
Freyqq said:
MBP 15" is still using chips from 2013. Well, a $500 PC isn't a fair comparison for a $1500 mac. A $1500 PC, though, is a fair comparison. Unfortunately, due to Apple's delays, PC has caught up in a big way.
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And there was just one of these $1500 PC's posted earlier in the thread. It had a 1080p screen at 15" (something 5" phones have now), a slow ssd, plastic construction and, well, Windows.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be free to buy and enjoy that though. Knock yourself out.

As for rMBP cpu's, the reason they are old has been stated time and again, inclung the very post you replied to. I'm not repeating myself yet again.
 
Feenician said:
And there was just one of these $1500 PC's posted earlier in the thread. It had a 1080p screen at 15" (something 5" phones have now), a slow ssd, plastic construction and, well, Windows.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be free to buy and enjoy that though. Knock yourself out.

As for rMBP cpu's, the reason they are old has been stated time and again, inclung the very post you replied to. I'm not repeating myself yet again.
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Not all PCs are made of plastic anymore: Surface Pro 4 and Dell XPS, for instance. Dell XPS has a 4k screen option too...
 
dotnet said:
Well said.

My secret hope is that the sales decline will lead to price readjustments, but I don't hold my breath. The sad thing for us antipodeans is that the last exchange rate adjustment has put the MacBook Pro almost out of reach for enthusiasts. In 2014 I paid about AU$3,200 for my rMBP. The equivalent model would now cost me AU$4,300.
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Thanks mate.

I picked up my Macbook Air from JB Hifi on a weekend-long 15% sale. They come up periodically. Worth looking if you live near one.
 
Osty said:
I remember buying a 12 inch PowerBook for $3000 AUD when I was a Uni student.
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These were the specs on my first laptop.
  • 14.1" TFT active matrix XGA (1024 x 768), 24-bit color (16.7 million)
  • Intel Pentium III 700 MHZ, 2 MB L2 cache
  • 256 MB SDRAM 100 MHz
  • 12 GB 2.5-inch IDE
  • UltraBay for 3.5" diskette or DVD-R, CD-RW
  • Ethernet, Fax/Modem
  • Lithium-ion battery
  • 12 in x 9.8 in x 1.3 in, 5.2 lb (with DVD-R, CD-RW)
  • Windows 2000
  • Pointing Stick
  • Bought 11-21-2000 for $3,384.56
The price is in real $, not AUD. :D

This included a solid 15% off employee discount.
 
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