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Yep, lots of small businesses have the money to replace perfectly good machines after 2-3 years without even looking at what they're buying or making a business case for why the new machines will help their business. Makes perfect sense.

What I've noticed lately is a lot of small business, especially ones who don't have a dedicated IT department, have outsourced a lot of IT stuff, including the computer roll outs to 3rd party vendors.

often, they will have "refresh programs" that offer 3 purchase plans / leases for hardware. once that lease / plan is over, the hardware moves to "unsupported". and companies really dont' want to run unsupported hardware. So they purchase new machines to get back an additional 3 years of support.

the Machines could be perfectly viable still, but once their vendor says they wont support it anymore, often the only solution is a new round of purchases. even if there's no real benefit.
 
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Partly because, as I said, they updated microcode to switch parts that were faulty off. Add that to performance and efficiency being pretty close to flat compared to the prior gen and I can only imagine said, "f*** that noise" and left it.
Well, my Windows failed completely, and now I notice I have 2 microcode updates pending, besides several other BIOS patches.
 
There only included because no one at the top realizes they are being included.
Speculation at best and most evidence would indicate otherwise. I know of at least one Apple employee who stays in contact with developers regarding Carbon issues( not saying they get fixed ) and this/these person/persons have to report to someone.

That is how far the current management is from understanding how a computer works. And this IS the problem.
This left field extrapolation from the preceding almost pure speculation doesn't sound like reasoned discussion. As many have noted, several of Apple's upper management have CS degrees and similar can be said of their lower and mid-level management.

My guess is Apple looked at this and found no reason to remove it. It doesn't impede their other development and they're able to mostly ignore it. It costs them very little to include it in the build and removing it would force them to face issues they can now ignore and not worry about allocating money/resources.
 
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Tim Cook only cares about the millions he has been milking from apple over the last 5 years. He is clueless but he will never leave Apple on his own. The board is the same, they will never leave.
 
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They're just lucky windows 10 is an abysmal message.or the figures would be far worse.

I hope apple have something great in the works. A quantum leap in design and battery life might help us understand.

It's hard to forgive them.for not even doing cpu/glue upgrades in the meantime.
 
Even if they released new hardware this fall, I'd be scared to see what they charged for it.

As it is, Macs are just hopelessly overpriced - especially in non US currency - compared to what you got a couple of years ago. My MacBook Pro 15 mid-2009 with dedicated GPU cost 1800 € and now i would have to pay 2800€ for such a device.

I'm sure the apple apologists will tell lots of things that justify the price. You're still wrong!

You can't blame Apple for your country's devalued currency.
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we're just not currently in a position to do that though. The "Grace period" that happened during the PPC to x86 days was because x86 could essentially emulate most of PPC architecture at the time without any performance hits. OSx up until Lion (I believe) was actually running an emulation later called rosetta.

for such a grace period to occur from x86 to ARM, ARM Would have to emulate 100% of the x86 architecture, and do so with enough overhead to have decent performance in those applications. Unfortunately, ARM is not designed for that sort of workload and suffers greatly under emulation. This would mean that a switch from intel to Ax CPU would have to be a clean cut. Nothing you own from x86 would be usable until re-written / recompiled for ARM. This is not as easy as it sounds. Look at Microsoft's epic failure at doing the very same thing.

Speaking of Microsoft, switching Apple computers to ARM would also eliminate any user from also running Windows, either bootcamp or parallels. With OSx actually making up < 5% of the worlds operating system usage, you would be cutting out any user who uses Apple hardware, but relies on Windows applications.

Then you get to performance. Benchmarks are good for the Ax series CPu's. But thats benchmarks. Benchmarks are artificial and do not accurately reflect true real world performance and how the system behaves under workloads. Sure, the A10 benchmarks high. for a mobile device it's fantastic. But it's also on par for real world performance with lowest clocked, slowest intel mobile chips. They could "substitute" in for an M3, and maybe an M5, but once you start moving into the i3, i5 mobile chips there's no real competition. Once you start talking about the 4 core mobile, or even the desktop class CPU's, there's currently no ARM CPU in these ball parks. And so far, while there are some ARM based server farms in the world, the performance is highly specialized and once you hit the same thermals, still don't keep up with intel's server CPU's in most workloads.


what this comes down to is that overall, while the A10 is a fantastic chip. Probably the best mobile designed ARM cores consumers can buy. They are no competition right now for x86 based systems.

but who knows what happens in 10 years time. But it likely wont be with Apple's Ax series CPU's as a mainstream CPU. For onee, Apple won't likely sell / license their CPU tech, so the only company in the world using it will be Apple. Which means Apple computers would once again, lose all compatibility with 95% of the rest of the world's software. That itself is just not a wise business decision

The biggest problem with the Apple A-series SoC's is that they're limited by the tight thermal requirements of the iPhone / iPad and respective battery capacity. Imagine if Apple's team designed an SoC for Macs with much higher thermal capacity: MB (4.5W), MBA (15W), 13" MBP (28W), 15" MBP (45W). They definitely have the resources and the talent to make an SoC that is much more competitive vs x86 when it comes to performance-per-watt.
 
Oh no! Apple is the number five computer maker worldwide, and the number four maker in the US market! That's a drop of ... oh wait, nothing over the last couple of years of rankings!

Also, as mentioned elsewhere, the second paragraph contains claims that are incorrect. Those figures are for Acer's performance, not Apple's.

Given the general decline of the PC market overall, these figures are not at all surprising -- except in that Apple is doing much better than one would otherwise have expected, given the lineup hasn't been refreshed in two years. I'm not saying the Mac faithful aren't growing impatient (and rightfully so), I'm saying that the mainstream audience (ie the vast majority of Mac buyers) haven't noticed and don't care. They are still great machines as far as they're concerned.
 
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yeah, they're trying to pivot, but my god it's like watching a cruise ship trying to make a u-turn and then parallel park.

Reminds me of this clip:


It's too bad though regarding the current state of the Mac. It's a pathetic joke really. Mac Pro that's about three years old and is still the same price as it was when it came out. Heck, I really thought they would at least up the iMac this month. October is almost half ways through and no invites yet...:rolleyes:
 
After seeing so many fellow Mac users that feel as let-down as I do, I'm just commenting to show my support. I feel it's probably futile, as Apple really only seems interested in iOS and their App Store. Apple is taking a risk, though. If they think desktops/laptops don't need to be part of anyone's "ecosystem" anymore, some people might jump to another ecosystem"

If their "new" computers are outdated by 1-2 years, how old do you think the average Mac user's machine is?
 
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Yep, lots of small businesses have the money to replace perfectly good machines after 2-3 years without even looking at what they're buying or making a business case for why the new machines will help their business. Makes perfect sense.

It ends up as the result of old policies (since 5-10 years ago upgrading a laptop every 3 years made sense) or startups that insist that they have the best tools possible.

Also, some of them get Apple Care and get a new one as soon as that's up.
 
It ends up as the result of old policies (since 5-10 years ago upgrading a laptop every 3 years made sense) or startups that insist that they have the best tools possible.
A cMBP is a better tool that an rMBP, so people are not downgrading.
 
"According to rumors, Apple is planning to introduce a revamped MacBook Pro as soon as next month"

Uh, please tell me this was written in September.
And still no announcement from Apple, you would expect that IF something was going to happen this month there would have been some invites sent out for some sort of an event. I have no hope anymore that anything will happen anytime soon for for iMac and Mac Pro lines...
 
It ends up as the result of old policies (since 5-10 years ago upgrading a laptop every 3 years made sense) or startups that insist that they have the best tools possible.

Also, some of them get Apple Care and get a new one as soon as that's up.

And again, not a lot of *small* businesses make stupid business decisions based on old and stupid policies. If any do, they don't stay in business long.

There's a heck of a big difference in finance between a 10-person and 10,000-person shop. And the poster I was replying to claimed to know a lot of small businesses.
 
This WAS a case with macs. What is the value of a non-upgradeable 2014 mac mini?
Less than more powerful AND upgradeable mac mini of 2011.
Which is pretty close to zero in 2016.

In terms of staying supported and upgrade-able to the latest version of OS and other Apple apps, I thought they are doing pretty good. My Early 2009 mini just became obsolete when Sierra was released, while my 2011 MacBook Air is still supported 5 years later. Not sure how long they plan to support the 2011 and 2014 Mac mini's.

I get that you can prolong the life of a PC or the older Macs by swapping out certain parts, but what about the risks and costs associated if you don't have the experience and relying on just iFixit guidelines? To which point will you remain ahead of people who replace their entire machine outright?
 
In terms of staying supported and upgrade-able to the latest version of OS and other Apple apps, I thought they are doing pretty good. My Early 2009 mini just became obsolete when Sierra was released, while my 2011 MacBook Air is still supported 5 years later. Not sure how long they plan to support the 2011 and 2014 Mac mini's.

I get that you can prolong the life of a PC or the older Macs by swapping out certain parts, but what about the risks and costs associated if you don't have the experience and relying on just iFixit guidelines? To which point will you remain ahead of people who replace their entire machine outright?

I built my first pc myself, so I'm not the right guy to think why average computer user can't open few screws and swap out ram or hdd.

A car comparison, once again, but this time I think it's valid: here in Finland we change tires to every car twice a year, we've got wintertires! About half a people changes their tires by themselves, half uses shops. But nobody's saying that changing a tire is so complex thing, that "average mac user" can't do it...
Also, there's surprisingly small amount of discussion that you shouldn't do it yourself or that tires would look much sleekier if they were welded or glued, so you couldn't change them...

And the mac repair shops usually give some kind of guarantee to their work, so there's no risk there.

But the real problem here is that the macs don't keep their value to 2nd or 3rd user like they used to.
Let's say that mini used to lose only 10% of their value in a year. Now it's more like 30% a year.
Would you pay more for 3 year old upgradeable computer than un-upgradeable one? I would.
 
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Are any Apple employees, or even better, senior management officials reading these blogs?? I would be ashamed of my own policies and strategies if I had an amount of loyal customers being so vocal about their disappointment.... In a normal business environment some folks from Marketing would reach out to customers before they all turn their back! But my assumption is that this empire has reached it's heights and will soon start to tumble down when we all realize there is more than Apple out there... My personal deadline is end of this month and then I simply need to act.
 
Sorry but Apple is a "gadgets and gizmos" toy company now. With the departure of the Steves it is no longer associating itself with computers (hence shortening the name to just 'Apple' a while back).

The products that get updates nowadays are phones, tablets and watches. That's just the way it is.

I got myself a 12" MacBook last year which in itself is nothing more but a glorified gadget to replace my aging iMac because the days of needing a workhorse computer are over. As much as I love it, it is still used far less than my iPad or iPhone because we are living in the post-PC era.

This is the vision Apple foresees. It is trying to distance itself from computers entirely. I can see future Macs becoming ARM-based and eventually fusing MacOS and iOS into one. By that time, regular computers will simply cease to be.
 
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