Mac Sales Continue to Slide Amid Lack of Updates

[millypede]

Im sorry, but you are all telling me that Apple cant do better than this at the moment, due to tech reasons, and some other board room mumbo jumbo,

Give over, they need to get some one with a large foot and kick them up the arse, Intel 7th Gen Windows machine will be on the shop floor in less than 6 weeks from HP, Lenovo and Dell, Apple are massivly behind this from a retail customer perspective, Intel are doing a great branding training, along with AMD, drumming into the sales staff how good 6th Gen Intel is, and 9th Gen AMD are great with Windows 10. Speaking to the staff in a store that talks to the normal general public, not us bunch of geeks, who know better, they are shifting them because of the better kit available, and pricing over Apple, time and time again.

 

[Feenician]

Are they both the same generation Core i7? Looks like we can see the raw clock speed, but what about power efficiency? SSD read/write speeds? Display color accuracy? Weight? Available ports?

Like I said earlier in the thread for a certain class of buyer, "bigger numbers = better than", even when the nuance is completely missed. The sticker at Best Buy said it was the bestestestest

 

[iGeek2014]

I might be in a position to upgrade my late Mac Mini 2014 as of February next year.

I did have my eye on the 5K Retina iMac but the fact the base model doesn't have SSD as standard plus only 8GB of RAM means I can't justify the price.

Yes I can upgrade the base model but then it ends up making more sense to buy the mid-tier model.

And I do think it's a lame decision to prevent users upgrading RAM at some point on the likes of the MacBook Pro etc.

 

[Feenician]

Intel 7th Gen Windows machine will be on the shop floor in less than 6 weeks

I don't think I can stand to repeat it more than this one time. THEY ARE THE LOW POWER KABY LAKES. THEY ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR MACBOOK PRO. LOOKING LIKE YOU JUST STEPPED OUT OF DEUS EX =/= BETTER

 

[ColdShadow]

My Lenovo y700:
2.6Ghz Quad Core i7
16GB DDR4-2400 (user upgradable)
256GB PCI-E SSD + 1TB 7200 RPM HDD (both user upgradeable)
GeForce 960M 4GB dedicated GPU
15" 1080P IPS display

Cost: 1500$ before tax

MacBook Pro:
2.5Ghz Core i7 Quad core
16GB DDR3-1600 (non replacable)
512GB PCI-E SSD (non replaceable)
Radeon R9 370X (The 960M has 76% average performance over the R9 370X)
15" 2880X1800 IPS display

Cost: 3,049$ before tax

So basically all the MacBook Pro has over my Lenovo is the retina display

wrong,it has Mac OS which is a million time better than windows.
ok not a million time,but definitely better platform,specially if you own iOS devices too.

 

[TechZeke]

Sick of waiting for the upgrades. Stats basically say "Apple doesn't give a damn about mac users because Tim Cook can do everything on his iPad pro".

Yes the iPad pro is a excellent device but it could NEVER replace a laptop for me.

They EASILY could have announced mac products at their iPhone event. Easily. I wouldn't have cared if they weren't released till November. I'd be happy with an announcement.


The MacPro?? They made a huge deal about bringing it back and now have just left it for several years... Not even a internal upgrade? They don't need a event for that... I don't understand what they are trying to do!! Push people to windows?

I'd go to windows before an iPad would be my only computer. My Surface Pro 4 can actually replace my laptop, and I routinely only take my SP4 to school because its much easier to carry around than my 15" rMBP. Tim can come back to me when the iPad Pro can run Visual Studio, SimTraffic, Microstation/Inroads, and SAP like my Surface Pro 4 can.

I'm not saying the iPad Pro isn't a great device, but until that day comes Tim can shove the iPad Pro up his ass. Anything that requires legit productivity beyond Microsoft office and a few emails is not going to happen on an iPad Pro, period.

 

[mahcus36]

"next month" better be a typo

 

[BlargKing]

Phone size 1080p display, 7lbs, dog crap SSD and you have to unorincally use a machine that looks like darth vader went on pimp my ride (inb4 "it doesn't matter what it looks like hurr durr". I've got news for you). Added bonus, Windows 10. No thanks. "Better in every way measurable" - only if every way you're measuring is scales

Because 1080p on a 15" display is soooo horrible. Oh wait, its not, because I do photo, video, and graphics work on it every day and not once have I thought "Gee, if only I had more pixels". Also, theres a 4K model for 150$ more, which at 1650$ is still massively cheaper than a MacBook Pro. 7 Lbs is only an issue if your a weak bitch who can't carry an average sized laptop over your shoulder. Go outside and do a bit of exercise, that 7 lbs becomes a moot point.

Windows 10 isn't fantastic, but its also not bad. I spend 90% of my time on my laptop using some form of productivity software so I barely see the OS anyways. The only time my OS becomes relevant is when I'm selecting which OS I need my software fore.

Also, its black brushed aluminum. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with the aesthetic of this laptop, especially next to the gold and pink colors you can get on the MacBook.

The SSD in my y700 is SATA using M.2 NGFF connector, it is still a SATA SSD and not a true PCIe NVME SSD that has been used in MBP waay back as 2013. The MBP would be 2-4x faster in disk io.

Is yours the Intel Y700 or the AMD Y700, because according to the tech sheet I read, the AMD Y700 uses the SATA bus but the Intel model supports and uses a PCI-E one.

Either way, its plenty fast. I get 600 MB/s read 550 MB/s Write off my SSD. Only a handful of users are ever going to notice the slight speed increase between a SATA and a PCI-E SSD. And I would take a SATA SSD that I can replace/upgrade over a proprietary PCI-E SSD any day.

Oh, and I still have a 1TB HDD on top of that which I can use to store more than any MacBook Pro could ever hope to do.

 

[Feenician]

"next month" better be a typo

If they have any sense it will be a typo for "next year" when Kaby Lake will be available in a suitable form.

 

[millypede]

It wont matter, its a numbers game with sales staff, and customers are more aware of generation of numbers via intel than ever before. The problem with Intel/MacBook Pro, nothing has been good enough for them in the last two years, and yet decent versions of i5/i7 6th Gen are in machines half the price of Apple. 'Normal' customers dont give two hoots about SSD at the moment, its a bigger numbers are better game, for the least amount of money.

 

[Lesser Evets]

I'm not convinced all of the Mac lineup will get a refresh. I could see them condensing the MacBook/Air/Pro line-up, and discontinuing the Mac mini. Maybe the Pro too.

Doubtful on the mini. They will neuter it more. The Pro seems dubious, since upgrades are now so widely spaced.

I have the feeling they might try doing an Apple ARM desktop our of the Air starting next year or beyond. Then they will slowly transition from Intel to ARM with everything as the OS and software catches up.

 

[crescentmoon]

The mac pro is dead... long live hackentosh....

 

[Feenician]

Because 1080p on a 15" display is soooo horrible. Oh wait, its not, because I do photo, video, and graphics work on it every day and not once have I thought "Gee, if only I had more pixels". Also, theres a 4K model for 150$ more, which at 1650$ is still massively cheaper than a MacBook Pro. 7 Lbs is only an issue if your a weak bitch who can't carry an average sized laptop over your shoulder. Go outside and do a bit of exercise, that 7 lbs becomes a moot point.

Windows 10 isn't fantastic, but its also not bad. I spend 90% of my time on my laptop using some form of productivity software so I barely see the OS anyways. The only time my OS becomes relevant is when I'm selecting which OS I need my software fore.



Is yours the Intel Y700 or the AMD Y700, because according to the tech sheet I read, the AMD Y700 uses the SATA bus but the Intel model supports and uses a PCI-E one.

Either way, its plenty fast. I get 600 MB/s read 550 MB/s Write off my SSD. Only a handful of users are ever going to notice the slight speed increase between a SATA and a PCI-E SSD. And I would take a SATA SSD that I can replace/upgrade over a proprietary PCI-E SSD any day.

Oh, and I still have a 1TB HDD on top of that which I can use to store more than any MacBook Pro could ever hope to do.

Each to their own and I'm glad you like it but it's not what you claim it to be, not by a long shot. Is it better/worse than an MBP? Let's say it's different. I'll take disk speed over capacity, portability over expandability.

 

[evacristina]

Problem #1. Phil Schiller doesn't belong at Apple
Problem #2. Phil Schiller thinks making a round computer is innovation
Problem #3. All Apple computers with a 1 inch black bezel around their screens look like the first ever television

 

[flyinmac]

Hard to believe Apple managed to sell that many outdated machines.

Guess it was probably due to the majority being uninformed buyers who purchased it based on brand, and likely assumed that the model on the shelf was the latest Apple technology.

Of course, missing from the data are how many machines were returned after customers had a sense of buyers remorse.

 

[BlargKing]

Are they both the same generation Core i7? Looks like we can see the raw clock speed, but what about power efficiency? SSD read/write speeds? Display color accuracy? Weight? Available ports?

Mines Skylake, I don't know whats in the MacBook Pro but its either a Skylake as well or its older. My ssd gets 600 MB/s read 550 MB/s write. I don't know about color accuracy for my laptop but I calibrated it and it works fine for me. It weights more than a MacBook Pro but *shrug* its not that big a deal if you have any form of muscle structure. As for ports, its got 2 USB 3, 1 USB 2.0, a SDXC slot, Gigabit ethernet, and a combo headphone/mic jack.

 

[0098386]

I need to replace my current iMac (2011 model). It's only just started showing its age with the latest OS. But here I am with £2000 burning a gigantic mac shaped hole through my thigh.

 

[BlargKing]

Each to their own and I'm glad you like it but it's not what you claim it to be, not by a long shot. Is it better/worse than an MBP? Let's say it's different. I'll take disk speed over capacity, portability over expandability.

Its cheaper for better usable performance and thats what matters most to me.
[doublepost=1476228480][/doublepost]

Like I said earlier in the thread for a certain class of buyer, "bigger numbers = better than", even when the nuance is completely missed. The sticker at Best Buy said it was the bestestestest

I bought mine off NewEgg after a month of sorting through dozens of laptops.

Honestly if theres a crowd of computer users that goes for "bigger is better" its Apple users. I build my own computers when applicable, I know what the **** I'm talking about.

 

[Keymaster]

I'm really wondering what I should do. I have a 2008 Mac Pro, and every once in a while the power supply glitches on wake and I have to hard reboot it. I probably would have replaced it two years ago if they made a comparable product, so that's a lost sale, and I'm still wondering what to do.

The new Mac Pro is nice, but it's not really what I want (I have a lot of disks inside my Mac Pro plus an upgraded video card and memory, I like the flexibility). I could probably put a Hackintosh together, but I do that kind of stuff for work and don't really want to deal with the hassles, especially since it won't be the latest/greatest components due to support issues. I'm actually thinking that my best option is finding a used 2012 Mac Pro to tide me over until Apple finally does something with their computer line.

If Apple put a reasonable computer together I'd buy it, and I'm not alone in that...they really need to do something about their lineup or else they will lose customers quickly.

 

[RobertMartens]

Who would have thought that selling terribly outdated tech at full retail prices would lead to declining sales?

Yet 90% of the customers proceeded to buy a new Mac despite its age. Must be doing something right. My IT guy tells me the PC is shipping even worse junk than Apple. So I guess we are safe?

 

[Cougarcat]

If they have any sense it will be a typo for "next year" when Kaby Lake will be available in a suitable form.

Kaby Lake doesn't have the higher-end integrated intel graphics that the 15" uses. Apple will likely skip it.

 

[Eggtastic]

I am getting tired of this...

I was close to buying a rMB, but of course the impending rMBP line has me waiting and what hopefully was going to be an Oct. announcement seems to now be Nov.

This is stupid. I should just pull the trigger, but apple will pull something awesome out of their ass with the rMBP and I will have buyers remorse. I wish apple wasn't so tight lipped about this stuff. Their investors are raking in tons of money, let some rumors slide already...

 

[now i see it]

iOS killed the mac

 

[smulji]

Doubtful on the mini. They will neuter it more. The Pro seems dubious, since upgrades are now so widely spaced.

I have the feeling they might try doing an Apple ARM desktop our of the Air starting next year or beyond. Then they will slowly transition from Intel to ARM with everything as the OS and software catches up.

I am confident that Apple will transition Macs to ARM. The 3 major pieces that they needed are already there:

1. ARM SoCs that are fast enough to run macOS, => A10 Fusion
2. A programming language that's "unified" across all of their devices => Swift
3. A unified file system => Apple Filesystem (APFS)

 

[Iconoclysm]

Really glad to see the market is responding!

Only *real* Apple fanboys would defend this Mac lineup.

Only an idiot would even defend a product lineup.