Actually, I think laptops could be a lot thinner and lighter. I miss my MacBook Air (I now have a "Pro").
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Actually, I think laptops could be a lot thinner and lighter. I miss my MacBook Air (I now have a "Pro").
My lenovo laptop has an aluminum body thats just as solid as any MacBook, and at 1500$ out performs a 3000$ MacBook Pro.
Theres literally no excuse left to buy a Mac over a PC anymore.
What model is that? I was Android for six years and the whole time wanted to move to PC but nothing tempted me.
Is it the 13 Windows or the E560 (which I assume also runs Windows) or the P40 Yoga or the X1 Carbon or the X1 Yoga or the P50 or P70 or Yoga 260 or Yoga 11e....? Colour me confused.
In the last year or so?
R&D?
The 2015 rMBP with super fast nVME?
The 2015 MB?
The 2016 MB? (Where suitable chips, you know, actually existed)
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As benchmarked by...?
And there are thin and light laptops on both the Mac and PC side, but they're far from the performance workhorses that Pro laptops are. Even a ultrabook/MacBook Air with an i7 gets a severely handicapped i7 compared to a standard laptop.
As a "Pro" laptop, the MacBook Pro is impressively thin, but going any thinner is going to be a compromise somewhere, be it poor thermals, poor battery life, or poor performance. We just simply aren't at a point where you can take a quad-core i7, a load of RAM, and a dedicated GPU and cram it into an ultrabook.
I really made the best decision purchasing my Early 2015 MBP 13 inch last year November. Of course, if I was in a bind right now, I would be waiting indefinitely. I love mine and have no plans to upgrade for a very, very, very long time.
If Apple was to drop the price it would create an expectation going forward.
They are still estimated to have sold 5 million in the last quarter - most of these people won't know or won't care that they are buying a machine with superseded components.
A price jump when the new models are released would probably outweigh the benefit of the update for a lot of people.
Yeah, unfortunately if I had to buy another laptop today - it wouldn't be a mac. This is coming from a mac user for over 10 years. Not updating your computers for 3 years means that there is added risk in investing further in the ecosystem due to uncertainty if updates are planned for the future.
Releasing a new MBP now wouldn't be enough for me. Unless if Apple makes assurances for continued releases in line with Intel's release schedule, I would probably go Dell XPS or MS Surface.
It's unfortunate for me that I gotta stick with fcpx for editing....till I can find a replacement it really sucks to be honest. I wish I didn't know fcp series in the first place.
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I hear you.
Are you planning on sharing benchmarks for this laptop, or at least saying what model it is?
Edit: beaten like a red-headed step-child
My Lenovo y700:
2.6Ghz Quad Core i7
16GB DDR4-2400 (user upgradable)
256GB PCI-E SSD + 1TB 7200 RPM HDD (both user upgradeable)
GeForce 960M 4GB dedicated GPU
15" 1080P IPS display
Cost: 1500$ before tax
MacBook Pro:
2.5Ghz Core i7 Quad core
16GB DDR3-1600 (non replacable)
512GB PCI-E SSD (non replaceable)
Radeon R9 370X (The 960M has 76% average performance over the R9 370X)
15" 2880X1800 IPS display
Cost: 3,049$ before tax
So basically all the MacBook Pro has over my Lenovo is the retina display, which is certainly not a 1500$ upgrade (the Lenovo Y700 also has a 4K screen option for about 150$ than the model I got). The MacBook has a bigger SSD but thats offset by the fact that I have an SSD and a massive 1TB HDD, and I can easily upgrade my SSD with off the shelf parts.
There you go. My Lenovo is better in every way measurable for half the cost.
I've been a loyal Apple computer owner since the early 1990s but I am hating it after the last few updates. I absolutely dread them. Updates in recent years have been retrogrades that dummy down its functionality. The iPhone is one hot mess. For the first time ever, I am considering a PC for my next computer and am looking forward to returning to Android's phones. I thought I'd never think such blasphemy, much less share it publicly, but Apple does what Apple does and they're losing me.
But but no mac os.....say it before a zealot does lol.
Windows has gotten better so that line wears thinner more and more. So have Linux distro's and front end options for them. And if used for intense work, well you don't even see the OS screens. You see the application's. I have had clients say I hate the company fed desktop background, how can I fix that? I say its fed via GPO so can't be "fixed". Want to also say if you open word, excel or outlook full screen and do work...you don't see the desktop but tact has me not do that lol.
Which given the very small number of mac os only applications in the mainstream that means they are ports and look the same on anything anyway.
FCP and logic pro notable exceptions here ofc. Which aren't rays of hope. If memory serves FCP devs have been shifted to projects more on the no pro side. If memory serves some social media/video project for iOS. Updates not shaking the world here in past year or 2, this probably won't help wow us with the now once a year patching it seems to get I'd wager.
I'd say where your files save to is different but I run a NAS. I open up shares on that. Once mapped and such...they open up and look and feel the same OS independent. Only thing that changes...no more apple based protocol setup for one share in use.
PCs in general, perhaps. But I can think of a few reasons why I'd never buy a Lenovo:
- They shipped PCs that performed man-in-middle attacks, enabling them to spy on your content when it appeared that you had end-to-end encryption with websites.
- Even if for some stupid reason you trust Lenovo to secretly break SSL security and spy on you, now any hacker can use Lenovo's back door and appear to be legitimate. Because Lenovo didn't even secure their own malware with a decent password and it was cracked in three hours. (Read the "update" in the previous link.)
- They shipped PCs where, even if the first thing you did was wipe out their malware and install a fresh, retail copy of Windows, the firmware would inject the malware back into Windows on its first boot.
- They shipped PCs where Linux could not be installed. They deleted forums that discussed this. They blamed Microsoft licensing, which is not true. They said it was just the way the advanced RAID drives worked, which was later proven to be false because users found a modded firmware could enable the drives to work fine.
And we're not talking about obscure junk models intended for low-end customers. This affected entire lines of computers in their premium and business lines, and the popular Yoga line.
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Eh, if I needed a computer right now I would buy a MacBook Pro knowing it's old over any new windows machine.
The SSD in my y700 is SATA using M.2 NGFF connector, it is still a SATA SSD and not a true PCIe NVME SSD that has been used in MBP waay back as 2013. The MBP would be 2-4x faster in disk io.
What can anyone do? Apple is now following the market and while I still have a Iphone 6 for work, my Samsung phones are better in most respects and the android system and evolved to a higher level. My wife, a long-time iphone user, now happily switched to a android phone as well.
2 of my 3 Macs need upgrades, but where are the new models? My son is starting to look hard at the Surface pro because there are basically no new macs and no sign of them coming. Speculation is just that and we heard they were coming for months. It's bad business for Apple and people are already spending their holiday money on other things. Either they're having a tough time getting the new stuff to market or they're just making bad decisions.
2 of my 3 Macs need upgrades, but where are the new models? My son is starting to look hard at the Surface pro because there are basically no new macs and no sign of them coming. Speculation is just that and we heard they were coming for months. It's bad business for Apple and people are already spending their holiday money on other things. Either they're having a tough time getting the new stuff to market or they're just making bad decisions.
Phone size 1080p display, 7lbs, dog crap SSD and you have to unironically use a machine that looks like darth vader went on pimp my ride (inb4 "it doesn't matter what it looks like hurr durr". I've got news for you). Added bonus, Windows 10. No thanks. "Better in every way measurable" - only if every way you're measuring is scales
That may be true for certain Intel processors for certain Macs.
But I'm pretty sure there have been suitable newer Xeon processors released in the last 3 years for the Mac Pro.
And wasn't the Xeon in the Mac Pro already a year old at its release? If so... then the Mac Pro you buy RIGHT NOW has a 4 year old processor in it.
In that case... Apple wasn't waiting for Intel in that situation.
The Mac Pro is a mystery. I think they might well have given up on the trash can
Are they both the same generation Core i7? Looks like we can see the raw clock speed, but what about power efficiency? SSD read/write speeds? Display color accuracy? Weight? Available ports?