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Return Zero

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The bezel complaint... I understand on a mobile device, but who really cares on a desktop? I like to think of it as a frame rather than a bezel anyway. It cuts out more of the background. I've never been opposed to some bezel on a desktop.

Also, people who are saying it's overpriced--what other 5K monitor are you comparing it to? LG's is nowhere near as good. Your points would be more valid if this were a 4K monitor, but it's not. It's a different class, just like the 6K XDR is a different class.
 
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adamw

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This morning I found a 48 core GPU model of the M1 Ultra Mac Studio at the West County Mall Apple Store (Saint Louis) and am picking it up later today to try out. To order it online, I would have to wait until at least May 2nd-9th for delivery, that is if I made no customizations. Strange that Apple Stores have some of these Mac Studios in stock. Now the same Apple Store is out of M1 Ultra Mac Studio models and only has the M1 Max Mac Studio entry model available.
 

citysnaps

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Oct 10, 2011
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Apple is not the hungry underdog it was under Jobs. More importantly, they lost their 2 visionaries, Steve and Jony.

Now that's a real knee-slapper considering Apple recently released a handful of their computers (and display) with Apple-designed CPUs that offer outstanding performance and untether Intel with their rather anemic roadmap.
 

Bug-Creator

macrumors 68000
May 30, 2011
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Did you buy this on eBay or something or did you keep it after all these years?

I do dabble quite a bit in MorphOS and this has been an extra when I bought a PMacG4 for that purpose about 10 years ago. Sometimes later I looked for a 20" ACD, found one for 40€ and the seller was "heh don't forget that stupid brick". That brick was the PSU/DVI-adaptor that normally went for around 80€ on it own...

Add a cheap amazon HDMI-2-DVI adaptor and I was in business.
 

Black Diesel

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Speak with your wallets folks and hit them where it counts. I'm a huge apple fan and I spend tons of money on apple devices every year. I'm fortunate to be able to afford a new Studio + Studio Display but I'm not about to spend a penny on this money grab for the display. This display was the worst thought out product I can remember with lack of adjustability/swivel, and price. They removed the computer guts and charge the same amount for just the panel....no matter how bad I want a new setup, I'm not giving apple my money for this garbage.

Had apple offered a display option without speakers and camera for $999, it would be a totally different atmosphere. Two of those along side an upgraded (matching) 27" iMac and apple would have taken approximately $5500-$6000 from me this year. But instead they will get nothing. I know many other 27" iMac users who are boycotting apple this year for the same reason. Maybe that's why you can already pickup a display in the stores?

Back to the drawing board apple, your decision to kill the 27" iMac is going to cost you. People are just going to wait for an upgraded Mac mini and use a 3rd party display.
 

DeLaSoul

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Free Mac product positioning advice for Tim Apple :)

Consumer level
Consumers, education and small offices will buy a M1 MacBook Air, a M1 MacBook Pro or a M1 Mac Mini, with a sub $600 24" display, or they will buy a 24" iMac.

Apple should offer MacBook and Mac Mini users a nice standalone sub $600 consumer grade 24" display, the same one they put in the iMac 24, with decent sound and a webcam.

Products:
- Mac Mini (M2, 16-32GB RAM, 512GB-4TB, Wifi, Bluetooth, 5G) from $599
- MacBook Air (13", M2, 16-32GB RAM, 512GB-4TB, Wifi, Bluetooth, 5G) from $999
- MacBook (13", M2, 16-32GB RAM, 512GB-4TB, Wifi, Bluetooth, 5G) from $1199
- iMac (24", M2, 16-32GB RAM, 512GB-4TB, Wifi, Bluetooth, 5G) from $1299
- Mac Display (24", webcam, speakers) $599


Prosumer level
Prosumers, businesses, developers and media specialists will buy a M1 Pro / Max iMac 27, or a M1 Pro / Max Mini, M1 Pro / Max MacBook Pro with a sub $1000 27" height adjustable display with good sound and a good webcam.

Apple should have released an M1 Pro/Max iMac 27, with the current screen, and the option for a HDR/Promotion display. These would sell like crazy.

The Studio Display specs are okay for these users, if it would have been priced at $999 instead of $1999. And if the webcam would have been an upgrade instead of flawed. I don't know anyone who wants to buy it at this insane price, nobody wants to pay for 2015 tech for a price for which we once bought the same 27" screens that actually had a computer inside.

Apple should also have released a higher end Studio display with miniled, HDR and ProMotion. It would have been a hit among prosumers and pros if they could have kept the cost under €2999 (with adjustable stand).

Products:
- Mac Studio (M2 Pro / Max / Ultra, 32-128 RAM, 1-8TB, Wifi, Bluetooth, 5G, 10GE) from $1699
- MacBook Studio (14", 16" ProMotion HDR, M2 Pro / Max, 32-128 RAM, 1-8TB, Wifi, Bluetooth, 5G, 10GE) from $1999
- iMac Studio (27" with optional ProMotion HDR, M2 Pro / Max / Ultra, 32-128 RAM, 1-8TB, Wifi, Bluetooth, 5G, 10GE) $1999
- Mac Studio Display (27" with optional ProMotion HDR) from $999


Pro level
Pros, people in 4K+ video and those who need hardcore processing power need highly configurable and flexible Pro machines. The graphics of the Studio Mac are not the fastest as advertised, it's marketing blah. The 'Big Mac Mini' is not modular. That's marketing blah too. The design associates with consumer level Mac Mini's and feels off in the Pro space.

Products:
- Mac Pro modular, with M2 Insane (2xUltra) and M2 Extreme (4x Ultra), additional memory, NVME storage slots and afterburner graphics, extension slots, 100GE
- Mac Pro Display (32" promotion XDR) from $3999


My prediction: the Mac Studio and Studio Display are not going to sell.

Prosumers will wait for the iMac 27 to return, prosumers will wait for a HDR Promotion display, and Pros will wait for a real Pro machine that they can actually extend and swap. It better have real competition crushing graphics...
 

dspdoc

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JippaLippa

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Jan 14, 2013
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So glad I ordered mine instantly.
If you order one now, it's 12 weeks delivery.
Ouch.
 

boethius

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Feb 5, 2009
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Every product that Apple announced at its "Peek Performance" event is now available for same-day pickup at select Apple Stores in the United States, including the Mac Studio, Studio Display, new iPhone SE, new iPad Air, and green iPhone 13 models.

apple-studio-display.jpg

The two standard configurations of the Mac Studio with an M1 Max chip for $1,999 or an M1 Ultra chip for $3,999 are available for pickup at some Apple Store locations, as is the Studio Display with standard glass and a tilt-adjustable stand, but custom configurations and other built-to-order options have very limited in-store availability.

The new iPhone SE and iPad Air models are more widely available for Apple Store pickup in many storage capacity and color combinations.

To order a product with Apple Store pickup, add the product to your bag on Apple.com or in the Apple Store app, proceed to checkout, select the "I'll pick it up" option, enter your ZIP code, choose an available Apple Store location, select a pickup date, and select a 15-minute check-in window for arriving to the store. Payment is completed online, and a valid government-issued photo ID and the order number are required upon pickup.

Apple began accepting pre-orders for the Mac Studio and Studio Display on March 8, followed by the new iPhone SE, iPad Air, and green iPhone 13 models on March 11, and the first deliveries to customers began today.

While at the Apple Store, don't forget to pick up black-and-silver Magic accessories for the Mac, which went on sale last week.

Article Link: Mac Studio and Studio Display Now Available for Same-Day Pickup at Select Apple Stores
 

Elcuria

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Nov 8, 2012
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THANK YOU for your post showing the Studio Display next to a 27-inch iMac. That confirms was Jason Snell mentioned - that the bottom of the screen sits slightly lower on the Studio Display. My apologies if elsewhere, but I think you are the first person to post them side by side "in the wild".

For me, confirms that the adjustable height option is a good choice.
 
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B-Mc-C

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Jan 12, 2017
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I just set up my Studio Display in place of my 27” iMac. They actually made it even lower than the display on my iMac. Was already on the fence about getting the height adjustable, but it now appears Apple is forcing people to by lowering the standard height. Bad Apple. Not to mention there will be a mini-LED version out in June. I wonder if Apple will agree to swap them out past the return policy if there’s an uproar.
 

uller6

macrumors 65816
May 14, 2010
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I just got mine and set it up with my M1 iMac. It's awesome! Finally, a bright, high-resolution display that's similar build quality as the iMac. I only wish it had the option of white bezels to match the M1 iMac. I like the white bezels.
 

PatriotInvasion

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Jul 18, 2010
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All setup with Studio Display connected to M1 MacBook Air with the latest black Magic accessories. I'm in love. Literally the exact product many of us have wanted for the better part of a decade now. 5K Retina bliss at 218ppi, all integrated with macOS.

The webcam situation seems pretty clearly a software issue as the resolution and hardware are not the problem here. I'm sure they will tweak that in a few weeks and all will be fine. Center Stage works as expected but could use some tweaking on centering timing as well. Good thing the display has an A13 inside.

All good here folks - don't let these crabby people ruin a great day. Let them enjoy their $499 non-Retina plasticy monitors and complain this display doesn't have features that literally no other display on the market has.
 
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turbineseaplane

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Mar 19, 2008
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I just set up my Studio Display in place of my 27” iMac. They actually made it even lower than the display on my iMac. Was already on the fence about getting the height adjustable, but it now appears Apple is forcing people to by lowering the standard height. Bad Apple.

I noticed that in some comparison photos.
Super weird.

It's almost like they optimized for the lowest tolerable height and those folks can either "use books" (or something) to elevate it if needed -- or they can pony up for the really expensive adjustable height option.

It's downright disgraceful that the adjustable height stand isn't the default (or at least selectable for no extra charge)

Height adjustable should absolutely be the default on a product that is premium priced like this.
 

PatriotInvasion

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What does that mean in this context?

It means there are precisely 2 external displays in the world aside from this that allow you to change brightness on a Mac without fiddling with plastic buttons or joysticks through some atrocious menu system. This combined with webcam, speakers, and 2X Retina native macOS resolutions makes it all integrated well with macOS.
 

B-Mc-C

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Jan 12, 2017
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I noticed that in some comparison photos.
Super weird.

It's almost like they optimized for the lowest tolerable height and those folks can either "use books" (or something) to elevate it if needed -- or they can pony up for the really expensive adjustable height option.

It's downright disgraceful that the adjustable height stand isn't the default (or at least selectable for no extra charge)

Height adjustable should absolutely be the default on a product that is premium priced like this.
Yeah I wish the height adjustable stand option were cheaper, like $200 extra. Now I am trying to decide if I should just get a VESA arm, since my plan is to have 2 of these and $800 for heigh adjustment (or even just to have them at the height of the 27” iMac display!) is pushing it.
 
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