They both kind of go together, or should anyway.I’m not sure if Apple are interested in market share more than they are interested in profit share.
They both kind of go together, or should anyway.I’m not sure if Apple are interested in market share more than they are interested in profit share.
Getting you data back for one, but Apple covering it doesn't mean it's going to be affordable on the hardware side.Are there issues that Apple won’t cover?
I serviced Apple hardware since the G4 days, with a few exceptions of early Intel Macbook, I would say their hardware are designed intentionally to be be "service hostile". Those like me who are technically capable and with the right tools, modern Mac hardware takes 2x as long to service due to the reduction, modularity of parts and calibration post-repair. I am pretty sure most tech curse at Apple at some point for the ever challenging and complicated repair process.
This is part of why I think Apple might possibly reverse course (to some extent at least) in the coming years. Certainly not yet, if anything they are still doubling down. But I wouldn't be surprised if, in five years, Apple is coming out with easily repairable computers again. And it probably won't be for regularity reasons. It will probably be a response to consumer demand, because reliability and longevity was one of Macs biggest selling points over the last decade.
Apple has historically done the opposite. They only play in the market segment where money is actually made instead of chasing market share at no profit. Mobile operating systems, App Store, their computers.They both kind of go together, or should anyway.
Wouldn’t you just restore your data from backup once your machine was fixed?Getting you data back for one, but Apple covering it doesn't mean it's going to be affordable on the hardware side.
Hmm, not really, at it assumes every consumer has the same spending power.They both kind of go together, or should anyway.
I would as a first step. If I had an old drive, I would mount it on another machine and copy anything newer than the last backup.Wouldn’t you just restore your data from backup once your machine was fixed?
Your last sentence says it all. We don't know if it will be too expensive or not, but given the way Apple does things, do you really think it will be cheap?I must admit I am struggling to understand the notion that someone can pay £2000+ for a computer but then be unwilling to pay for the repair of said machine. We don’t even know how much it would cost to repair the machine.
I don't see it that way as long as no market is an intentional loss, it's always for profit.Hmm, not really, at it assumes every consumer has the same spending power.
We don't know how much it'll cost but some people are saying they would just throw the device away if it broke.I would as a first step. If I had an old drive, I would mount it on another machine and copy anything newer than the last backup.
Your last sentence says it all. We don't know if it will be too expensive or not, but given the way Apple does things, do you really think it will be cheap?
And you think general business computers aren't profitable? There's a lot of companies that beg to differ. Competition is tougher, but not unprofitable!Apple has historically done the opposite. They only play in the market segment where money is actually made instead of chasing market share at no profit. Mobile operating systems, App Store, their computers.
Apple has a minority market share in most areas they compete in, but in those markets they take the lion’s share of profit *on their own* against the sum of literally all competitors.
That assumes unlimited resources available to the company making the products. Apple's costs would increase if it were to make more products to appeal to more people. Additionally, spreading yourself too thin can result in a loss of quality in the products you do make, which could make them less successful.I don't see it that way as long as no market is an intentional loss, it's always for profit.
I would give that a *very* high probability, especially when you're talking past the first year, and near 100% after 3. Nothing is cheap when it comes to Apple, they WANT you to have to buy new.We don't know how much it'll cost but some people are saying they would just throw the device away if it broke.
<lol>, that's not the way most businesses think.That assumes unlimited resources available to the company making the products. Apple's costs would increase if it were to make more products to appeal to more people. Additionally, spreading yourself too thin can result in a loss of quality in the products you do make, which could make them less successful.
Why would you say that? Have you got any numbers that you are basing your assumption on?I would give that a *very* high probability, especially when you're talking past the first year, and near 100% after 3. Nothing is cheap when it comes to Apple, they WANT you to have to buy new.
I think it is. Companies specialise in certain product areas all the time. In fact I'd say that is the norm for most businesses.<lol>, that's not the way most businesses think.
No, just experience.Why would you say that? Have you got any numbers that you are basing your assumption on?
I love macOS…..this is so painful…????????But it’s true. Apple can’t make all products for all people, and you may have simply fallen out of the target market either because your needs have changed, or Apple is no longer interested in serving customers such as you.
Specialize in certain products, yes, no doubt of that, but they're always thinking of ways to expand their market in new ways to make more profit. If that means thinning out too much, hire more people, build more infrastructure.I think it is. Companies specialise in certain product areas all the time. In fact I'd say that is the norm for most businesses.
Right so we'll have to say we don't actually know what the repair costs will be until we find out the actual numbers.No, just experience.
Which is exactly what Apple have done by expanding into services.Specialize in certain products, yes, no doubt of that, but they're always thinking of ways to expand their market in new ways to make more profit. If that means thinning out too much, hire more people, build more infrastructure.
Apple has historically done the opposite. They only play in the market segment where money is actually made instead of chasing market share at no profit. Mobile operating systems, App Store, their computers.
Apple has a minority market share in most areas they compete in, but in those markets they take the lion’s share of profit *on their own* against the sum of literally all competitors.
Yep, but there's even more profit to be had. (he says in his best Ferengi imitationWhich is exactly what Apple have done by expanding into services.
I'd probably be one of them if it were past applecare. It's not like I haven't done the same thing for other devices. You have to balance the cost of repair against its current value and it's usefulness, compared to a newer machine.Right so we'll have to say we don't actually know what the repair costs will be until we find out the actual numbers.
My point being that even then, some people are saying they'd just throw the machine away!
Right so the issue isn’t that you can’t get it repaired, it’s that You want to repair it for a certain price. We are talking about something different now then.I'd probably be one of them if it were past applecare. It's not like I haven't done the same thing for other devices. You have to balance the cost of repair against its current value and it's usefulness, compared to a newer machine.
(and yes, I would have applecare on it for at least 3 years!)
No, there is a difference between low volume high margin approaches, and high volume low profit approaches.And you think general business computers aren't profitable? There's a lot of companies that beg to differ. Competition is tougher, but not unprofitable!