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You’re only guaranteed repair support for five years.
But typically it's 7 for hardware repairs, until it is declared obsolete.

The 5 years is typically for software support. That's one big reason why I bought a cheap used 2014 Mac mini last year to run Monterey, as it wasn't discontinued until late 2018.
 
But typically it's 7 for hardware repairs, until it is declared obsolete.

The 5 years is typically for software support. That's one big reason why I bought a cheap used 2014 Mac mini last year to run Monterey, as it wasn't discontinued until late 2018.

I wasn’t able to get my 2011 MacBook Pro repaired at Apple 6 ~7 years after i bought it from them, so…. it’s Not always a full 7 years…..
 
That seems like a pretty reasonable amount of time for the machine to last and be repairable.
Yes, these Macs tend to be sold for at least 2 years, so 7 years from launch it's reasonable, but 7 years since the stop selling is not always the case (except in some countries like France where it's required by the law), although sometimes third-party authorized repair shops do it for a couple of years longer than Apple themselves...
As for software support my guess is that M1 devices will be supported for a full decade (a little bit more than Intel Macs).
 
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But, OTOH, they made it extremely hard for people to steal your data once your device is locked or off. This is huge for journalists visiting a foreign country, for example.
But for most people it's a tradeoff that only costs them money and doesn't really benefit them at all. (and is actually a hinderance)

I have a Studio on order, and I guess I'll just have to treat it like the throwaway it is and toss it in the landfill if it fails, but after learning quite a bit about how Apple uses storage the last few days, I'm not happy. The repairability is a darn good reason for me not to allow them at work.

That said, I expect to love the Studio until it does fail, or I get something better.
 
But for most people it's a tradeoff that only costs them money and doesn't really benefit them at all. (and is actually a hinderance)

I have a Studio on order, and I guess I'll just have to treat it like the throwaway it is and toss it in the landfill if it fails, but after learning quite a bit about how Apple uses storage the last few days, I'm not happy. The repairability is a darn good reason for me not to allow them at work.

That said, I expect to love the Studio until it does fail, or I get something better.
ifixit will come out with a video or an article in the next couple days that is sure to be a bit more comprehensive than Luke Miani‘s effort, which I applaud..…… i’m still keeping my fingers crossed that there’s a way for people, or there will be a way for people to upgrade the storage at home if they so choose…… anyone on the fence and depressed about the storage issue should wait for the iFixit report which will probably be very comprehensive, as to what is possible with the storage modules on the new Mac studio.
 
ifixit will come out with a video or an article in the next couple days that is sure to be a bit more comprehensive than Luke Miani‘s effort, which I applaud..…… i’m still keeping my fingers crossed that there’s a way for people, or there will be a way for people to upgrade the storage at home if they so choose…… anyone on the fence should wait for the iFixit report which will probably be very comprehensive, as to what is possible with the storage modules on the new Mac studio.
I am very skeptical about upgradability, reparability is the maximum Apple seems to be willing to go, given all the barriers they have made. It's still better than the MacBooks, which are not even reparable if the SSD fails.
 
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If this is true, That sucks, and Apple is being #@¥&#& for doing that to its customers. I want the right to upgrade my own stuff just as much as I want the right to repair it.

why was it OK for Apple to give that to us in 2012, but not in 2022? It’s just greed.
I'm with you. I also don't want my SSD's encrypted -- so I can get data off of them if I need to.
 
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I'm with you. I also don't want my SSD's encrypted -- so I can get data off of them if I need to.
you can always keep your data on a NAS or other external storage depending on your usecase... relying on data-recovery from a built-in drive is always a bit of a risk.
 
I wasn’t able to get my 2011 MacBook Pro repaired at Apple 6 ~7 years after i bought it from them, so…. it’s Not always a full 7 years…..
When did you buy it from them? Had it been declared obsolete yet?

It’s 5-7 years after discontinuation, minimum 5 but typically over 6 (and under 7).

Anyhow I am pleased my 2014 Mac mini has full Monterey support. And maybe I’ll get lucky and will get the next version of macOS too, but if not, I’ll get a couple more years of security updates at least. Given its age (and the fact I got it for so cheap used), I’m not hugely concerned about its repairability in 2023 and beyond.

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The early 2011 MBP was discontinued 2011-10 and declared obsolete 2016-12, so 5 years and 2 months. Ouch.
 
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ifixit will come out with a video or an article in the next couple days that is sure to be a bit more comprehensive than Luke Miani‘s effort, which I applaud..…… i’m still keeping my fingers crossed that there’s a way for people, or there will be a way for people to upgrade the storage at home if they so choose…… anyone on the fence and depressed about the storage issue should wait for the iFixit report which will probably be very comprehensive, as to what is possible with the storage modules on the new Mac studio.
I'm not quite so confident but it really doesn't matter, no way am I going to open up my Studio, it's just not built to be easily worked on, and I'm not the best to do it. (I don't really have good finger/hand dexterity) I work on Windows PC's when I have to, even laptops, but they are quite a bit different than current Apple hardware. Lenovo Thinkpads are almost as easy to fix as a desktop.
 
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you can always keep your data on a NAS or other external storage depending on your usecase... relying on data-recovery from a built-in drive is always a bit of a risk.
My NAS is not working storage, it's WAY WAY too slow, it's just for backups, and there will *always* be a period of time in between changing data and having it backed up, even if it's only minutes, you *will lose something*. Even if you have a mirroring backup, it's just too slow.

Yes relying on getting data off a drive is a risk, but it's less risk than not getting data off of a drive. I don't just rely on that, never did, but I do have mitigation plans for all sorts of scenarios for failure and I never just rely on one or two ways to get back most of the data and time to restore.
 
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Therefore I suggest modern Mac buyers at least change your mindset a bit, stop future-proofing, maybe even under-spec your Mac purchase nowadays. The M2 next year even the base binned chip is rumored to have higher single core performance than the M1 Ultra, for one.
The trouble with that is t goes against the green aspect. If you purchase a computer for a year and then toss it, it might end up in a landfill.

Anyway, I'd ever buy an under-spec machine, because then I wont be as efficient as I could be. I'm also not the type to keep computers for a long period of time unless than are used for a specific purpose.
 
@mrochester , thanks a lot! Now, I’m off to cry myself to sleep tonight. ?
lol
But it’s true. Apple can’t make all products for all people, and you may have simply fallen out of the target market either because your needs have changed, or Apple is no longer interested in serving customers such as you.
 
You may no longer be the target market for Apple products.
I never was the target market for Apple. I use Mac's at home in spite of that. I'm a business IT guy, Apple has never targeted that. More's the pity, they might have a much bugger market share if they did.
 
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