I have the LG panel on my 2011... I remember a thread similar to this when I first purchased it. Looks fine to me.
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Macbook Air 2012 - LG vs Samsung LCD
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it wasn't similar. It was the exact same thread for the 2011 MBA.
I'm expecting the same thread for the 2013 MBA.
Right, unless Apple gets their act together next time.
It's laughable for a company with so many employees to put two panels on the market with calibration profiles that make their contrast ratio so dramatically different that they bracket the bulk of other panels in the industry (see Anandtech review).
Then hand pick these displays so only the better looking ones appear on the store shelves, instead of getting to work to improve on the problem, for instance by changing the color profiles on the lg panels.
Don't get me wrong, I am grateful to the company for making great products, but some oversights are so bad and obvious that it's clear they only happen due to lack of serious competition.
I got my 13" i7/8/256 and I have an LG display and Samsung SSD. The LG did look noticeably less colorful than my i5/4/256 Samsung screen. I'll be returning my Samsung screen because once I used Anandtech's .icc profile, it became very similar to the Samsung screen. I'd say it was 95% close.
I also got my 13" i7/8/256 and I have an LG display too. I'll bring the Air with me to the store tomorrow and compare it with the ones displayed there, which I know all have Samsung displays. BTW, I'm not too much bothered with the washed out colors. I don't think it's easy to tell the difference w/ no Samsung display to compare. But the dark shadow at the bottom of the screen is noticeable and I'm pretty pissed about Apple's cheap tactic. Displaying Samsung displays and selling LGs. This one is going back and I really don't care what the next one will be. Just a small message to Apple I guess.
No, the reason it will be the same for the 2013 MBAs is the same OCD people will be on MR keeping a thread going long after the problem was solved. Either OCD or Chicken Little syndrome, probably both.
Importing Color profiles...
Hi guys,
Excuse my ignorance but I'm very new to this.. Just bought a MBA 13"/i7/8MB/250GB and following this thread for the LCD display. I will use it primarily for my photo hobby and want to have a calibrated display... I run the script and noticed I have an LG display, so I want to import the profiles suggested in this thread by other users. I downloaded a couple of them just to test what effect they have, but I cannot seem to find a way to import them into the LCD settings...
Yes Im new to the Apple OS, so please any help? Thnx!
Hi guys,
Excuse my ignorance but I'm very new to this.. Just bought a MBA 13"/i7/8MB/250GB and following this thread for the LCD display. I will use it primarily for my photo hobby and want to have a calibrated display... I run the script and noticed I have an LG display, so I want to import the profiles suggested in this thread by other users. I downloaded a couple of them just to test what effect they have, but I cannot seem to find a way to import them into the LCD settings...
Yes Im new to the Apple OS, so please any help? Thnx!
Simply using that profile won't calibrate your display. Every display is different, so you would need to buy a spyder or equivalent to get a perfectly tuned display. That profile is a good place to start though.
From finder menu click on go, hold down option key to display the library folder, from there go to colorSync folder and put the icc file into the profile folder. Then just go to display preferences and select that profile.
If you want to change the color profile for all users then you simply add the icc file to the colorSync folder within the system folder
the ever ongoing whining about displays...
Apple has to offer a lot of power, etc. in a nice thin package without sacrificing anything. That is technically impossible at this moment and thus there will be compromises. The other problem is that Apple is not producing for 100 people, they are producing for half the world's population which is in the billions. The manufacturers of every part that make up the Air will have to keep up with that as well as the factories putting the Air together. It is a very big and complex process. They also have to account for any risk like a manufacturer going bankrupt and in case of emergency such as an earthquake followed by a huge tsunami (Japan comes to mind) they'll have to look elsewhere so they can still produces their products.
The only laughable thing here are people returning their MBA's because the ioreg doesn't spit out Samsung. They never ever calibrate the display nor compare it to others. I also so that most people have absolutely no knowledge of TFT-panels whatsoever. They are completely ignorant of the manufacturing difficulties and the fact that no panel is the same, not even in the same batch. The same goes for the entire calibration process. It is not a simple matter of calibrating in the factory and you're done. No. The calibration changes throughout the day and whenever you brighten or darken the screens backlight. And so on. There simply is more to it.
Let's face it: these are TN-panels and they suck, we need something like IPS since they are way better in image quality. If you want to have a good looking screen you should always attempt to calibrate it. In quite a lot of cases it will improve the image quality somewhat. Sometimes it works wonders but not in all cases!
It's laughable how extremely fixated some people here are over what ioreg spits out just because someone on some forum tells them one brand is better than the other. People come up with a myriad of excuses and seek very far fetched relations. Only 1 disadvantage: by doing so they also misinform other people. There is some truth to the story but the other 99% is completely made up.
Again, enjoy the computer and if you feel the display isn't good enough then try to calibrate it and only return it if calibration hasn't helped. It is just that simple.
Ah, you rather pay 15,000.00 USD for the basic 11.6" MacBook Air? Because that is exactly what the consequences of what you want are.
Apple has to offer a lot of power, etc. in a nice thin package without sacrificing anything. That is technically impossible at this moment and thus there will be compromises. The other problem is that Apple is not producing for 100 people, they are producing for half the world's population which is in the billions. The manufacturers of every part that make up the Air will have to keep up with that as well as the factories putting the Air together. It is a very big and complex process. They also have to account for any risk like a manufacturer going bankrupt and in case of emergency such as an earthquake followed by a huge tsunami (Japan comes to mind) they'll have to look elsewhere so they can still produces their products.
The only oversight that is bad here is yours in how manufacturing something on a grand scale actually works. You are asking the impossible.
The only laughable thing here are people returning their MBA's because the ioreg doesn't spit out Samsung. They never ever calibrate the display nor compare it to others. I also so that most people have absolutely no knowledge of TFT-panels whatsoever. They are completely ignorant of the manufacturing difficulties and the fact that no panel is the same, not even in the same batch. The same goes for the entire calibration process. It is not a simple matter of calibrating in the factory and you're done. No. The calibration changes throughout the day and whenever you brighten or darken the screens backlight. And so on. There simply is more to it.
Let's face it: these are TN-panels and they suck, we need something like IPS since they are way better in image quality. If you want to have a good looking screen you should always attempt to calibrate it. In quite a lot of cases it will improve the image quality somewhat. Sometimes it works wonders but not in all cases!
It's laughable how extremely fixated some people here are over what ioreg spits out just because someone on some forum tells them one brand is better than the other. People come up with a myriad of excuses and seek very far fetched relations. Only 1 disadvantage: by doing so they also misinform other people. There is some truth to the story but the other 99% is completely made up.
Again, enjoy the computer and if you feel the display isn't good enough then try to calibrate it and only return it if calibration hasn't helped. It is just that simple.
If it helps any, the anandtech icc profile made it very very close to my Samsung display. The macrumors icc profile was good but it looked like it saturated dark colors too much. I stared head on and at angles at my Samsung and pseudo-calibrated LG for an hour last night and concluded it was virtually the same.
AnandTech's profile is PERFECT!
My 11 inch 2012 with LG screen is looking even better than my wife's 2010 with Samsung!
Awesome!
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I returned an LG MBA and played again and got a Samsung. To ME the difference was substantial.
BTW, having a preference for a particular type of computer panel doesn't meet the criteria for OCD. I'm a lot of things, but having OCD is not one of them.
Just came from the Apple store. As I said before, all of them have Samsung displays and there is a noticeable difference in terms color. But I don't think you will care much about that unless you're switching between an LG and a Samsung throughout the day. About the shadow, surprisingly Samsungs also have it. I guess the panels in Air are quite low quality. I know it's an entry level device, but I was still expecting a better display. My work laptop is a 15" Pro and Air's display is nowhere near it. Sad...
Just to make a point of personal preference, I think my MBA display looks better than my 2011 MBP 17. Just goes to show that people have different ideas about what looks good.
Well yeah, it mostly depends on what you expect and what is important to you. By the way, I was talking about shadows and display angle when I said 15" Pro's display is superior. Even then, it's kinda personal I guess.
Producing for != market share. About half the worlds population is a target because they can in theory buy a machine from Apple. That doesn't mean that they must also have the same amount in market share. What you aim for and what you get are 2 completely different things. What makes you think they are the same?
The only difference I can tell is between an older and newer model which is obvious because the older one has been in use for some time and thus shows some wear. In terms of quality there always is some kind of difference no matter which displays I compare. My Pro has a bit of a red sheen which I can't get rid of by calibrating (it makes it worse or some other colour gets preference so instead of a red sheen I get a blue sheen for example). Some people noticed it too but most won't notice the red sheen of the display. I see it only when compared with other displays. In comparison I think both my Air and Pro don't differ all that much. Which is a bit of a shock to me because the Air is very glossy compared to the Pro. the glossy Air is growing on me
@clyde2801: hell yeah! do want IPS in the Air!
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Hopefully by next year we can all be squabbling about who makes the better IPS display for the Air.
Long story but ended up with Samsung
So I've had a long and winding road with these MBA displays. I originally purchased an MBA from Amazon which had a Samsung display. It was great but I decided to return it to instead order a custom 8GB/i7 MBA direct from Apple. The custom built MBA had an LG display. I immediately noticed the difference in display quality but was content with the color profiles changes via osxdaily.
After a few days of use I noticed the new MBA with LG display had a few bright cones of light coming from the bottom of the screen. It created a very distracting discoloration of light, surprisingly most notable on white screens (ie webpages). I tried to literally look past the issue but it continued to catch my eye.
In the end I decided to take it to the Apple Store for repair. I didn't want to return the model because I didn't want to go up to 2 weeks waiting for a replacement MBA. They saw the issue and decided to replace the screen. I just picked up the repaired MBA and was pleased to find that its a Samsung display.
If it wasn't for the defect I would say the LG display is fine, but when you view them side by side, in my opinion, the Samsung display is noticeably better.
So I've had a long and winding road with these MBA displays. I originally purchased an MBA from Amazon which had a Samsung display. It was great but I decided to return it to instead order a custom 8GB/i7 MBA direct from Apple. The custom built MBA had an LG display. I immediately noticed the difference in display quality but was content with the color profiles changes via osxdaily.
After a few days of use I noticed the new MBA with LG display had a few bright cones of light coming from the bottom of the screen. It created a very distracting discoloration of light, surprisingly most notable on white screens (ie webpages). I tried to literally look past the issue but it continued to catch my eye.
In the end I decided to take it to the Apple Store for repair. I didn't want to return the model because I didn't want to go up to 2 weeks waiting for a replacement MBA. They saw the issue and decided to replace the screen. I just picked up the repaired MBA and was pleased to find that its a Samsung display.
If it wasn't for the defect I would say the LG display is fine, but when you view them side by side, in my opinion, the Samsung display is noticeably better.
That's part of what separates the Air and Pro lines. The Pros have better color gamut in general.
Right, except that's not the definition you were operating under when you brought it up. You were saying they can't spend that much time on production because of the volume. They produce what they sell (perhaps a little more), and have a pretty lean inventory system. They don't have a macbook air already built for every person just waiting to be bought. That's not how it works.
You can't bring something up, then when someone takes issue with immediately change what you're saying like it was your intention the entire time.
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Actually, no you're wrong. I'm going to disagree completely with your statement.
Apple isn't a stupid manufacturer. They produce what they can sell, perhaps a little more. They don't just act like they're going to make billions of their units or make them. There are stories all the time of them having to switch suppliers when they see an influx of sales, so clearly they have varying sales and don't plan on 3billion sales at all times.
Ah, somebody is starting to get it Correct, they don't have a Mac built for everybody because that is not possible to do so thus they source from known partners and get whatever is available at that time and within the specs and agreement. Whenever something new is introduced they do have a certain amount of products available and distribute it worldwide. This was exactly my point and I have certainly not changed it. Now take the next step and read up on things like demand. You might then get the other part too.
Correct, they don't have a Mac built for everybody because that is not possible to do so thus they source from known partners and get whatever is available at that time and within the specs and agreement. Whenever something new is introduced they do have a certain amount of products available and distribute it worldwide. This was exactly my point and I have certainly not changed it. Now take the next step and read up on things like demand. You might then get the other part too.Ah, somebody is starting to get it
Your condescending tone is unwelcome and the more you talk the more apparent your lack of knowledge on the subject becomes. I have more than a basic grasp on how these things work, and don't even get me started on economics. You have literally said nothing in the last three posts by contradicting yourself and saying vague things.
At any rate, this is off topic so I'm done responding. My original point stands that apple has nowhere near 50% market share or 50% of the entire world's population captured.
Ok if anyone reading this is suffering all this technical anxiety, and about to embark on changing profiles etc I would strongly recommend doing yourself a favor and what I did and take your laptop to your Apple store to directly compare them yourself.
We know that there are technically measurable differences, but I literally couldn't see any difference between the 3 panels on viewing them. Some here have said the same. Then others say the observable differences are stark and then proceed to go into technicalities.
We know that there are technically measurable differences, but I literally couldn't see any difference between the 3 panels on viewing them. Some here have said the same. Then others say the observable differences are stark and then proceed to go into technicalities.