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MacBook and MacBook Pro Disassembly and Photos

Firewire 800 came back

I guess it's not impossible that Apple will reintroduce Firewire 400 in the MacBook, they have done similar things earlier: Firewire 800 suddenly disappeared from the 15" MacBook Pro when the first generation Intel Core was introduced, but it came back when the Core 2 Duo was released.

[Note to self: read the complete thread before writing a new post... Someone might just have written what I'm going to write.]
 
Evangelion said:
Just about every camcorder I have seen reviewed includes USB. And those that include FW only are getting quite rare.



So, a camcorder that uses Flash or HD to store the video is basically crap when compared to DV-camera? So, a camera that costs close to $1000 is "throw-away camera"?

You are so full of crap.



If you use FCP or other tools like that, you would be better off from buying a CONSUMER laptop. Instead, you might want to consider a Pro-model. And I do believe that Apple is selling one....
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:eek: So much nonsense in a single post...
 
digitalbiker said:
While I think it is ridiculous that Apple doesn't include cables with the purchase to be honest display port is the future.

More and more new monitors will be using display port and then an adapter will not be necessary.

The real problem is that video standards seem to change every other year. composite,VGA, DVI, component, Dual-link DVI, HDMI, HDCP, display port. When will video ever really reach agreement on a standard that lasts 5 - 10 years.
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I think you will still need an adapter because other monitors have a displayport input and not a displayport mini connector.
 
firewire over ethernet for the macbooks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireWire

It looks like this is supported in the firewire protocol. Per wikipedia there doesn't "appear" to be a chipset created to support an ethernet port being used for firewire, although it is possible that apple could have implemented such a beast. If they were going to loose the firewire port, it would have been nice to do that for the consumers to be able to maintain the camcorders and firewire harddrives out in the wild.

I PERSONALLY wish my iPhone and iPod's still synced up via firewire. It seemed significantly faster.
 
cartooncartoon said:
Mini DisplayPort
I don't quite get the 'mini' part, either, as the regular connector doesn't seem that large. I also think that $29 seems a little steep for just a connection adapter, but if I'm willing to shell out $1800 for a loaded MacBook, it somehow seems less significant. As to DisplayPort over HDMI: From what I understand, it's cheaper to implement, while providing comparable performance.
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Think $29 is steep? The Displayport to Dual DVI adapter I needed to hook up the 30" ACD is $99. BTW I'm not sure if HDMI can handle the 30's resolution, so there's another reason to not choose it.
 
KevanDual2.5 said:
The display is one sealed unit. The LCD cannot be removed at all. The Service Manual warns against any attempt at removing the glass. If you crack the glass, or the LCD goes bad, it means you have to buy the whole assembly just like the TiBook.
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I take it the glass pane is not simply held in place via magnets like with the iMac? :(

I was curious whether removing it (possibly voiding the warranty, but hey) would be a similarly simple matter, and if so whether it would compromise the display's physical strength all that much. But the first question is whether it can be removed at all...which wasn't addressed in the disassembly reports.

Butternut said:
The funny thing is that people used to use CRTs for years and they were a thick ass glass reflective screen. Oh how people forget so easily.
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Most CRTs - like the one I'm using right now - have antireflection coating which actually reduces reflection strength, as compared to matte-surfaced LCD screens which just blur the reflections so they are less distracting. Neither the glossy LCDs that Apple uses nor the glass on top have AR coating.

Further, the glass-on-glossy setup used on iMacs and the new laptops will be even shinier than just a glossy LCD since the glass introduces a whole additional layer of reflection on top of the LCD itself.

Ew.
 
This is the best build, engineering quality and ease of disassembly I've seen in *any* notebook let alone Apple's (with their reputation for things normally being a royal PITA to disassemble) and STILL it gets more negatives than positives. You lot are ridiculously hard to please!

Totally impressed here. Having seen some of the comparison shots of iMac innards over the years, it was easy to draw the conclusion of declining quality inside. Still great quality, but declining. This model of MB/MBP raises the bar back to where it was 5 years ago, and beyond. Glad I chose this time to purchase.

BTW, having seen the dust appearing behind my iMac glass (I had to have patches of it wiped down from inside a few months ago) I'm very glad that this one is sealed. People seem to be crying about this, but simple answer: don't break the glass in the first place! Look after it!
 
kabunaru said:
Apple is trying to differentiate the MacBook and MacBook Pro as much as possible.
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I don't get what this has to do at all with my statement with regards that Apple should have used the already supported standard Display Port connector on their Macbook/ Macbook pro instead of creating this proprietary mini version... and also what is the idea of no mini display port to standard Display Port adapter?
 
When i buy the small "new" Macbook without lightet Keyboard is itafterwards possible to buy the lighted Keyboard from the "big new" Macbook and put it in that it works??

Sorry for my english!!! :-(
 
I'm holding out (yes, I'm an optimist) for a 13 inch macbook pro. With all the ports on it. Release it at the same time as the 17, probably for macworld 2009 in Jan.

(fingers crossed)
 
bergmef said:
I'm holding out (yes, I'm an optimist) for a 13 inch macbook pro. With all the ports on it. Release it at the same time as the 17, probably for macworld 2009 in Jan.

(fingers crossed)
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Fingers crossed - all is lost
Fingers round - safe and sound...

Either way it's not going to happen...
 
Are there some reviews? Want to know if it's noisy. Where are the speakers anyway?
 
Cloudane said:
This is the best build, engineering quality and ease of disassembly I've seen in *any* notebook let alone Apple's (with their reputation for things normally being a royal PITA to disassemble) and STILL it gets more negatives than positives. You lot are ridiculously hard to please!
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Totally agree with you in the quality of these notebook. I love the new looks, all clean, and I don't understand how people "insist" to say this Aluminium Macbook (Pro or not) looks as a plastic HP..
But the hardware specs are from last year! small change in memory speed, no change in CPU, small change in graphics, small change in I/O :) .. hardware is not everything and this high quality assembly costs money, but 1999$ for a MBP from October = 1999$ MBP January with "almost" same spec's. at least adjust the price. I still think this is as unnecessary upgrade, and I'll be waiting to the next upgrades in MBP.
 
budidi said:
But the hardware specs are from last year!
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Huh?

small change in memory speed
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It's fastest memrory available.

no change in CPU
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It uses a newer model CPU, even though the clock-speed has not changed. These CPU's are just about the latest CPU's Intel has released.

small change in graphics
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I think you misspelled "huge". It's H-U-G-E, not S-M-A-L-L.

but 1999$ for a MBP from October = 1999$ MBP January with "almost" same spec's.
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It has new GPU, bigger HD's, new design, faster RAM, new CPU's.... What exactly were you expecting here?
 
cartooncartoon said:
No Firewire Port
It's been at least 5 years since I've had a need for a Firewire port. I'm guessing that among the general computing population, it's a very small percentage that would actually miss this feature.
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While I don't have any legacy devices that use Firewire, I was actually thinking about getting an external Firewire drive for Time Machine. Obviously, that can't happen anymore.
 
bergmef said:
I'm holding out (yes, I'm an optimist) for a 13 inch macbook pro. With all the ports on it.
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What would differentiate a 13" MacBook Pro from a 13" MacBook (apart from faster processors, more RAM and bigger drive, such things would constitute a different configuration of a MacBook but not a MacBook Pro)?

A Firewire 800 port, an Expresscard slot and a better graphic card? One could argue that the latter two require space which is hard to find (how many 13" laptops have an Expresscard slot and a separate graphic card?

That leaves us with a Firewire 800 port. So, you want Apple to make a Firewire 800 port optional on the 13" MacBook and charge how much for it? $50, $100, $300?

The fact is that Apple will not make its laptops configurable beyond easy to exchange components like memory and hard drive. What Apple could do is to add a Firewire 800 (or better Firewire 3200) port to the MacBook Air if the could find the space to place the connector (but probably Ethernet would be higher on their list if they could find some space). Even better would be Firewire 800 + Ethernet. In short anything faster then USB2 would be useful and any additional port (even a second USB2 port) would be useful.
 
I am still holding out for a quad core mbp. Frankly, I was expecting a lot more out of these new notebooks.
 
ATimson said:
While I don't have any legacy devices that use Firewire, I was actually thinking about getting an external Firewire drive for Time Machine. Obviously, that can't happen anymore.
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Legacy? since when? As far as I know firewire is still the only way to transfer data at a sustained speed on consumer laptops, minus of course eSATA on some.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
Legacy? since when? As far as I know firewire is still the only way to transfer data at a sustained speed on consumer laptops, minus of course eSATA on some.
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Consumers don't really have a need for sustained data-transfer. For them, USB is more than enough.
 
Evangelion said:
Huh?



It's fastest memrory available.



It uses a newer model CPU, even though the clock-speed has not changed. These CPU's are just about the latest CPU's Intel has released.



I think you misspelled "huge". It's H-U-G-E, not S-M-A-L-L.



It has new GPU, bigger HD's, new design, faster RAM, new CPU's.... What exactly were you expecting here?
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not true
- CPU is the same, and cache size is the same (Even MacBook Air has 6MB of cache now!!! but not the 2.4 MBP)
- GRAPHICS . 9600gt almost the same as 8600gt. simple as that. There are much better graphics than 9600gt mobile.
- MEMORY. I worked at Qimonda (GDDR5 in ATI and GDDR3 in PS3 XBOX, etc), and the difference between DRR3 and DRR2 are not that significant.sure is better but still..they have higher latency, but that's why they work faster. at same speed DDR2 vs DDR3 , DDR2 wins.. BUT more than performance its a batterly life savier.

I'm not saying to change the CPU because this is Intel last/better versions, but instead of 2.4 and 2.53, why not 2.53 and 2.8 ?
I really want to see a review of the previous MBP against the new and you'll see.. this is a useless upgrade.. BEAUTIFULL, but useless upgrade though:)

link to review mobile DDR3
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ddr3.html
 
Rotary8 said:
I am still holding out for a quad core mbp. Frankly, I was expecting a lot more out of these new notebooks.
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Quad-core would add hundreds to the price, run very hot, and not give much performance increase (at least until Snow Leopard's optimizations).

budidi said:
- CPU is the same, and cache size is the same (Even MacBook Air has 6MB of cache now!!! but not the 2.4 MBP)
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The CPU is not the same. These are Intel's latest Penryns, which are designed to work with the 1066MHz front side bus.
 
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