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MacBook and MacBook Pro Disassembly and Photos
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Correct, but the previous MBP also have Peryn. The design and performance of the CPU is the same. Only the ability to work with a higher FSB and DDR3 (1066 only and not 1333MHz). It will have a small increase in performance, but don't justify an upgrade from the previous machines...and from the previous previous
Question: Do people who do a lot of video editing, pro or not, really like to do it on a 13" laptop? With so little real estate, that would drive me nuts!
I did video editing in iMovie HD on an 12" iBook G4 before and I was fine with it.
No - I'm pissed because I can't buy the MB (which I wanted to buy) and then use the awesome DCR-VX2100 camcorder from work.
A colleague of mine is pissed because the firewire audio interface he bought can't be used on the new MB ( which he wanted to buy )
Doug
I take it the glass pane is not simply held in place via magnets like with the iMac?
I was curious whether removing it (possibly voiding the warranty, but hey) would be a similarly simple matter, and if so whether it would compromise the display's physical strength all that much. But the first question is whether it can be removed at all...which wasn't addressed in the disassembly reports.
The display assembly is bonded together. This is clearly done to add to the rigidity of the entire unit. Unlike the TiBook, which can have the LCD replaced with extreme care, there is no safe way to attempt this on the new notebooks. Break the glass..... new assembly!!!
The real problem with that is the lack of space on the Logic Board to add a firewire 400 port onto. Its so tightly packed, that either a USB port (not happening) or ethernet would have to be removed to fit the port in. The other issue would be the location/inclusion of the actual chip.
Let's just get this out there right now, so no one is confused:
The MacBook Pro video setup does not and will never support SLI. It's a hardware limitation, not a software limitation. Neither Snow Leopard, Lion, Puma, Cougar nor Persian Kitten will solve it. It's already been linked here once or twice to nVidia's website. The 9600M GT does not support SLI, not in a MacBook Pro, not in a Dell and not in an HP.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/hybridsli_notebook.html
The GeForce boost technology (the stuff that lets both run at once) only runs with the weaker discrete graphics chips (ones that are similar in speed to the onboard video). This isn't just to you but to everyone whining about Apple somehow neutering their hardware.
The only thing that might be solved by a software update is the issue of having to log off and log back on in order to switch between discrete and onboard graphics. I hope it is too since that's annoying.
And, one more thing, SLI has never been more efficient than a single card. Not in terms of processing and not in terms of power. It's merely a way to get beyond the limitations of a single chip, but like multiple processors, this comes with diminishing returns, software required to take specific advantage of the technology and additional power. I'm not saying it's bad, but... let's not allow the RDF to make us think that Apple computers will magically gain features that never had and give power to technologies that they don't actually possess.
Yep. I'm a programmer and hardware geek who actually switched from Linux to OS X. TDM was the first thing I was annoyed about when I heard about Firewire being dropped.
I'm hoping TDM can be done over USB with a firmware update. I think that's handled via EFI and not OS X.
How is the migration assistant going to work now?
I might have to take a walk down to the Apple store once my new machine arrives and see if one of the "geniuses" will let me mess around with the MB on display. (I have a Pro, so this isn't my problem yet!)
Man, I wish they would have gone with eSATA. That's a really annoying omission.
Yeah, I'm confused about the negatives on this thread as well. Whether you love or hate the other features in the new laptops, if you've ever had to disassemble an Aluminum Powerbook or MacBook Pro, you know what a nightmare it is. Looking at iFixit's guide was a breath of fresh air, especially coming from someone who replaced the antenna wire on his old 12" Powerbook!
Hook a gigabit ethernet cable between the 2 machines, their NICs are autosensing so you don't need a crossover cable. it works. I did it last night. SantaRosa 2.4 MBP to a 2.4 macbook.
What about using the 9600M as a GPGPU under Snow Leopard?
Ethernet or (I think) wifi.
When I was at the Apple store last night I asked the salesdude how migration would work without FireWire. He said, "You should be able to use USB." They don't prep these people very well.
Hard to believe, isn't it, when just a little thing like putting FireWire on the Macbook would have made most everyone happy. I guess Apple doesn't mind trading a ton of goodwill for some extra profits these days. It's a short-sighted attitude though, since loyalty and goodwill is probably worth more in the long run.
Dunno. Snow Leopard isn't out yet so I have no clue. My point is that not being able to use SLI (not some other feature) is a hardware limitation. I was just writing this because there was an insane thread earlier where people were freaking out about neutered hardware that isn't neutered at all.
Ugh. I rarely talk to anyone at the Mac stores. Although when I bought my first Mac since my Apple IIgs (it was a Mini G4) one of the guys there was also a Gentoo Linux user so he and I had a lot of geek crap in common and he knew A LOT. Those guys are rare though.
I don't know that the people who follow a site like this are an accurate cross section of Apple users. I can tell you that of the Macbook owners I know, the only one who would even notice the fact that Firewire is gone is me. A vast majority of the Mac users I know got fed up with Windows and switched to something simple and stable and they got the "consumer" laptop.
Don't get the idea that I'm defending Apple's decision, simply that making a crowd like this angry probably isn't going to hurt their bottom time. (Believe me, I'd be all too happy to be wrong and see them bend to the pressure and do something cool like the Firewire 800 over ethernet standard. That'd rule.)
I think Firewire is going the way of the dinosaur though. I realize we have devices that use it NOW, but I just see it being eclipsed by other things. eSATA is superior for sustained transfer and USB should be able to do everything else, right? (Am I wrong in this?) Gigabit ethernet is faster than Firewire 800.
My question is (and again, I'm not defending Apple on this one) what does Firewire offer that cannot be had via other mediums? (Also, I realize eSATA isn't available on the new MacBooks, but it seems to be taking over for external storage.) People freaked out when Apple killed the floppy. Sometimes I'm glad they take these steps. Until recently, it was hard to find a PC motherboard devoid of ancient things like serial, parallel and PS/2. Sometimes getting pushed into the future hurts... but it's either that or living in the Windows world of backwards compatible forever. Pick your poison I guess.
The latter isn't a problem if done right, like Apple did with 68K emulation, Classic, and Rosetta. (Of course, then they had to foul it up by preventing those from chaining...)
Totally agree with you in the quality of these notebook. I love the new looks, all clean, and I don't understand how people "insist" to say this Aluminium Macbook (Pro or not) looks as a plastic HP..
But the hardware specs are from last year! small change in memory speed, no change in CPU, small change in graphics, small change in I/O
The new "high quality assembly costs" are certainly lower than before because they reduced the parts by 50%. Apples 1st intention of the new body is to make the notebook cheaper!
Finally got to an Apple Store today to take a look at the new MacBook/Pro - I must say, I'm pretty impressed, definitely looks better in real life then on photos.
Hard drive is dead easy to replace (finally!) - and overall the case feels very very solid.
The screen... iduno about the screen - heres the thing. You can either a) have a glossy screen and have it reflect everything like a mirror, or you can have a matte screen and unless thats as bright as the sun, all you'll see is a blob of light - atleast thats my experience with them - I can't take my matte 17" outside because even on highest brightness the screen is completely unusable (yeah... that perfect calibration sure does help in the sunlight)
So, what I've concluded is that in 9/10 situations the glossy screen is tons better just because its actually usable unlike the matte one which just blurs all the reflections.
And to all those who are whining about glossy screens' calibration being useless when outside --- tell me this; a) what the hell are you even doing, trying to finalize all colors etc while in the field under bright sunlight and b) when was the last time you actually did it instead of just whining about maybe doing it...
Hard drive is dead easy to replace (finally!) - and overall the case feels very very solid.
The screen... iduno about the screen - heres the thing. You can either a) have a glossy screen and have it reflect everything like a mirror, or you can have a matte screen and unless thats as bright as the sun, all you'll see is a blob of light - atleast thats my experience with them - I can't take my matte 17" outside because even on highest brightness the screen is completely unusable (yeah... that perfect calibration sure does help in the sunlight
)So, what I've concluded is that in 9/10 situations the glossy screen is tons better just because its actually usable unlike the matte one which just blurs all the reflections.
And to all those who are whining about glossy screens' calibration being useless when outside --- tell me this; a) what the hell are you even doing, trying to finalize all colors etc while in the field under bright sunlight and b) when was the last time you actually did it instead of just whining about maybe doing it...
InkMaster - give it a break on the glossy vs matte - it is a choice we have had for years that has now been taken away - I prefer matte by a wide margin - it does not make me or others a "whiner" because we have a preference different than yours.
Glad you like glossy - it meets your preference - but not mine.
Glad you like glossy - it meets your preference - but not mine.
Oh come on, you're making it sound as if I already said this 100x over - this is the first time I even posted about it
But I'm just curious, have you actually been able to use the matte screen anywhere outside? Just as I said, the matte screen on my MBP is rendered next to useless under the sun...
You did categorize some of us as "whiners".
The issue for me is using the glossy in a typical office or conference room setting when reviewing HD clips with clients w/o having to set up the projector. Even ifixit commented that the new displays are MIRRORS.
I was pretty surprised when I went down to the store and saw them in person - then are more reflective then the previous version glossy
The current screen could be offered in a coated anti reflective version - charge $50 more for it but give those of us who want it a choice.
It doesn't make us whiners
The issue for me is using the glossy in a typical office or conference room setting when reviewing HD clips with clients w/o having to set up the projector. Even ifixit commented that the new displays are MIRRORS.
I was pretty surprised when I went down to the store and saw them in person - then are more reflective then the previous version glossy
The current screen could be offered in a coated anti reflective version - charge $50 more for it but give those of us who want it a choice.
It doesn't make us whiners
Well, on that I agree with you, the current glossy is a bit over the top and I can see how it can get annoying very fast...
But realistically speaking, other then removing the glass completely, is there anything that they could do? I mean if they make the glass itself matte, then it would just blur everything under it... Not exactly the best option either...
I believe there's a special nature of FireWire that allows for Target Disk Mode that can't be replicated on USB. I can't find where I learned that though.
Here's a article that claims it could be done with a special smart cable:
http://www.christopherprice.net/yes-usb-target-disk-mode-is-needed-badly-627.html
But if it eventually does come back, it might well be implemented with eSATA:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/08/22/apple-aims-to-patent-target-disk-mode-for-esata