This whole gaming thing is ridiculous. Who buys a laptop for gaming? I play UT'04 on my 12' Powerbook and is pretty bad. I can lower the settings right down and its playable but nothing like as well as my old unbranded $500 desktop PC.
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First of all, this is probably best with it's own thread, you will get more advice that way as people are just skimming through this thread looking for info without reading individual posts. Your first consideration is time. When do you what the computer? If you can wait a few weeks, keep waiting, the macbook will come out eventually (or maybe not 😛), and then you can compare specs. For college I think people are better off with 12/13" screens than 15/17", purely for the added portability. You must also ask yourself if you plan on notetaking with it in class - no way anything bigger than 13" will fit on the tiny desk things.APPLENEWBIE said:
Look on the left and right of the keyboards, the speakers are there. It has to be at least 15" for that.zoom1 said:what about this. Looks too small to be a Pro?
i don't get the gaming discussion
1. some students need a computer with a dedicated graphic - have you ever tried to run a CAD-application with GPU? Sorry not all students are damn economic students (sorry for that 🙂 - that is only directed to those guys not seeing the need of a dedicated graphic)
2. i think the same thing may be true for students cutting videos etc.
3. what the hell do you care if some guys want to play a computer game once in a while?
4. people are not requesting a killer gaming macbook - most of them say they are willing to pay some more bucks for a somehow better equipped 13,3 macbook pro as a replacement for the 12 PB. there is no need of a x1600 (what in fact is only a midrange graphic), most of them would be more than satisfied with a x1400. i would love to have a x1600 because i always want the best i can get, but i would buy a 13,3 mbp with a x1400 for less than $1599 immediatly
my opinion - sorry for the off topic
edit: and lets talk about the price
Dell E1505 Dual Core (15,4 XGA) $1,254.80
Intel® Core Duo processor T2400 (2MB Cache/1.83GHz/667MHz FSB)
1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz, 2 Dimm
80GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive
8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
...
256MB ATI MOBILITY RADEON® X1400 HyperMemory
do you see the point?
1. some students need a computer with a dedicated graphic - have you ever tried to run a CAD-application with GPU? Sorry not all students are damn economic students (sorry for that 🙂 - that is only directed to those guys not seeing the need of a dedicated graphic)
2. i think the same thing may be true for students cutting videos etc.
3. what the hell do you care if some guys want to play a computer game once in a while?
4. people are not requesting a killer gaming macbook - most of them say they are willing to pay some more bucks for a somehow better equipped 13,3 macbook pro as a replacement for the 12 PB. there is no need of a x1600 (what in fact is only a midrange graphic), most of them would be more than satisfied with a x1400. i would love to have a x1600 because i always want the best i can get, but i would buy a 13,3 mbp with a x1400 for less than $1599 immediatly
my opinion - sorry for the off topic
edit: and lets talk about the price
Dell E1505 Dual Core (15,4 XGA) $1,254.80
Intel® Core Duo processor T2400 (2MB Cache/1.83GHz/667MHz FSB)
1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz, 2 Dimm
80GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive
8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
...
256MB ATI MOBILITY RADEON® X1400 HyperMemory
do you see the point?
netdog
macrumors 603
vespats said:
While that may all be true, I will be surprised if the primary demand for this machine doesn't come from people who do not need anything more than the 950 offers, though many of those may want to think that they do need more graphical horsepower which may be one of the primary reasons that Apple might offer an advanced graphics option. Frankly, if the design is wow enough, I expect that an awful lot of these will be sold as fashion accessories to people who would be just as well served by a single-core Pentium M with crap graphics.
netdog said:
yes, but we will not see that one in the MB and probably not to soon in the MBP 🙂
maybe in a rev. b imac
in fact there is also a x1800xt (only talking about the mobility version)
Are iPods supposed to be released in tandem with the Macbooks as previously expected for Tuesday, the 9th?
Now, add some features that would put it on the same level as any conceivable MacBook(based off of Pro, and expectations for the "regular" one):vespats said:
I added:
-Windows Media Center edition (with remote)
-Microsoft Office (full version, not this cheap thing they try to trick you into getting)
-Norton Antivirus ('bout 40, for a single user; Norton AntiVirus 2006)
-a webcam (bout 40, for a Creative webcam with same resolution as the iSight)
$1595..... And then you still have to deal with the fact that you're using Windows. And a Dell.
There's no comparison. And if you're going to compare, at least "match" things up properly. And notice that I cut you some slack by not adding music-creation or DVD creation software. OR Internet-security software, or anti-Adware software.
Granted, a graphics-card would be nice for certain people that feel the need for it, but you can't compare any Apple with Dell. They're a different class of laptops, and some expectations just can't be fulfilled. It's *literally* like comparing apples and lemons.
Elrond39 said:
I will not buy a Dell or any other PC.
BUT your additional list is wrong. The main price is for the MS office and that is not included with a iBook or iMac right now, so why should it with a MB(only 30 days testdrive version)?
and if i would bring an acer into the comparison the winner of the specs would be obviously clear 😉
i just wanted to show that there are cheap notebooks available with acceptable specs - so there should and hopefully is a better equipped MB or 13,3 MBP 🙂
Do you guys think that there will a Macbook that CAN run Aperture ??
I am not looking for fast editing ( therefore i use my desktop )
Or is the only alternative a MBP ?
I am not looking for fast editing ( therefore i use my desktop )
Or is the only alternative a MBP ?
vespats said:
But noone in their right mind would buy an Acer... regardless of the specs, they're absolutely ****** in build-quality, and their service is terrible. Believe me, I have experience with them now (my own, my sister's and my mother's), and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. If you're going to buy Windows-based, at least have the decency to buy a solid piece of hardware. Which is the last point I made: which "pc" laptops are comparable in build-quality to Apples? The expensive ones, usually. The only real basis for comparison is hardware and build-quality, so I suggest you run this little experiment again, but with an ASUS.
pjkelnhofer
macrumors 6502a
vespats said:
Apple is never going to try to compete with Dell on a price basis. Dell sells cheaps PC's in high volume. Apple sells fewer more expensive PC's. Apple put a lot more of their money into the design of the computers and the intergration of the their own OS and software.
I do not think that Apple wants to be Dell any more than Dell wants to be Apple.
When the Dell PC ships with Dellife and Dell OS that the computer has specifically been designed to run. Then you can truly compare the two on a price basis.
When you buy an Apple computer you are buying it because it runs OS X. If you are buying it only to run Windows via Bootcamp or Parallels, then your money could be better spent.
Elrond39 said:
ASUS A6JA-Q001H
Intel Duo Core T2300 2 x 1,66 GHz
1024MB DDR2-533 (2 x 512MB)
15,4 Zoll (WXGA)
8x DVD-DL
ATI Radeon X1600, 256MB VRAM
...
in Germany for 1272 Euro (and apple converts $ and € 1:1)
however, we will see
pjkelnhofer said:
yes exept of one market, education - there are Dell & Apple the big players and the Macbook Apples Joker
pjkelnhofer said:
no not only 😉
Edwin the Elder said:
I hope these price increases will go back down buy the end of the year. In the UK, the mini for under £500 and the baby 12" iBook for £699 were easy to sell. The prices werent too high, people loved the look. Now we are on a level playing field with regards to hardware, I think the higher prices wont help and some sales will be lost to better value PC notebooks, but I think Apple will respond to that with a price drop before the years end, particularly with the mini.
Jobs may like a 4% market share, 'cause thats what mercedes have or something, but Apple the company, the shareholders, the directors will want the company to grow. What did you think the Mini was released for? It was to get some iPod users to buy a cheap Mac for the home... NEW users....
vespats said:
Which is, incidentally, what I suggested to my mother only a few weeks ago... She's scared of making the switch just yet. (She's quite happy with this laptop)
AidenShaw said:
This is true, but if you're comparing laptops, you compare them on the basis of their features; one thing that Apple (for better or worse, depending on preference) has over a Dell is a webcam. So you could count it as a plus/minus for Apple. But you can't ignore it if you're doing a feature comparison.
pjkelnhofer
macrumors 6502a
Edwin the Elder said:
Yes, but the car analogy is very flawed (even if Steve did bring it up). What if you think of the superior engine as OS X and the superior transmission as iLife, etc. I stand by my statement that unless you are buying for OS X first and foremost, then your money would be better spent on a Windows only computer.
Criticize Apple all you want. The thing that drives me nuts is when people want to compare any Mac to any Windows only PC. No matter what the internals are, they are not the same thing. One was built for Windows, the other for OS X. It is a bigger difference then ever now because while you can run Windows on the Mac you cannot run OS X on the non-Apple PC.
wyrmintheapple said:
They want the profits to grow which is independent of markershare. If Apple could double its marketshare, but that meant making less that half of the profit they do now per unit it would be a net reduction in profit. Certainly, the shareholders and the directors would not want that!
Pricing
I've made this point before but I shall make it again - the MacMini did not see a price increase in America, but the lowest model was effectively taken out in favour of Airport and Bluetooth, not to mention a substantially faster single core processor and FrontRow addition.
I think we should expect to see similar results with the new MacBook
Expect to see:
iBook G4 12" Current model sell for $999 for education only,
MacBook $1299
Intel Core Solo 1.5Ghz Processor
512MB DDR Memory
13.3-inch TFT Display
1280x800 resolution
ATI Radeon X1400 64MB GPU
60GB Ultra ATA hard drive
SuperDrive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
AirPort Extreme + Bluetooth 2.0
iSight built-in Camera
Front Row with Apple Remote
MagSafe and MagClose
MacBook $1499
Intel Core Duo 1.66Ghz Processor
512MB DDR Memory
13.3-inch TFT Display
1280x800 resolution
ATI Radeon X1400 128MB GPU
80GB Ultra ATA hard drive
Super Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
AirPort Extreme + Bluetooth 2.0
iSight built-in Camera
Front Row with Apple Remote
MagSafe and MagClose
After all the ongoing debate about integrated graphics chipsets, I doubt Apple is going to sell the new MacBook with the GMA950 unless they do a $999 model.
I've made this point before but I shall make it again - the MacMini did not see a price increase in America, but the lowest model was effectively taken out in favour of Airport and Bluetooth, not to mention a substantially faster single core processor and FrontRow addition.
I think we should expect to see similar results with the new MacBook
Expect to see:
iBook G4 12" Current model sell for $999 for education only,
MacBook $1299
Intel Core Solo 1.5Ghz Processor
512MB DDR Memory
13.3-inch TFT Display
1280x800 resolution
ATI Radeon X1400 64MB GPU
60GB Ultra ATA hard drive
SuperDrive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
AirPort Extreme + Bluetooth 2.0
iSight built-in Camera
Front Row with Apple Remote
MagSafe and MagClose
MacBook $1499
Intel Core Duo 1.66Ghz Processor
512MB DDR Memory
13.3-inch TFT Display
1280x800 resolution
ATI Radeon X1400 128MB GPU
80GB Ultra ATA hard drive
Super Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
AirPort Extreme + Bluetooth 2.0
iSight built-in Camera
Front Row with Apple Remote
MagSafe and MagClose
After all the ongoing debate about integrated graphics chipsets, I doubt Apple is going to sell the new MacBook with the GMA950 unless they do a $999 model.
pjkelnhofer said:
Not entirely true.
Profits are important, but also important are revenues. Doubling their marketshare would double their revenue and bring about many, many advantageous things besides just profit-per-mac.
Think about it - with double the marketshare, not only do revenues go up by a large margin (not quite 2x if they lowered prices) but:
1) More people use Macs, which means that they'll tell more people about them and how great they really are.
2) More businesses will take them seriously.
3) 2x the software will be sold, doubling profits on software for all software companies (including Apple).
4) Because of #3, more software will be created for Mac.
Trust me, doubling their marketshare with a slight drop in net profits - Apple would take that any day of the week.