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MacBook Delays? Next Tuesday?
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AFAIK, the Core Solo pricing is not so much of a bargain compared to the Core Duo. Could well be, but Apple would be in a better position sticking a Core Duo in the lower end model, removing the dedicated graphics card, and dropping $100 the price.
I own an iBook G4 800 MHz since december 2003. It has a Radeon 9200 32MB, and it is good enough for what I want it (Wolfenstein Enemy Territory, Civilization III, Tony Hawk 3, Call Of Duty, Halo, iLife '06...). It certainly is not top-notch, and in Halo or Second Life, for example, I'd certainly have to tune down the settings to have a decent framerate, but still it is totally usable. I wouldn't pay an extra dime for more performance.
I expect the Intel 950GMA to be better than my current Radeon - it doesn't even support Core Image, while the Intel does - and I suppose these games will run much better there. I am not a gamer, and I only play ocassionally (and that's the hardest use I make of the 3D capabilities of the laptop), so I'd rather have a 999 MacBook with Core Duo and integrated graphics.
I own an iBook G4 800 MHz since december 2003. It has a Radeon 9200 32MB, and it is good enough for what I want it (Wolfenstein Enemy Territory, Civilization III, Tony Hawk 3, Call Of Duty, Halo, iLife '06...). It certainly is not top-notch, and in Halo or Second Life, for example, I'd certainly have to tune down the settings to have a decent framerate, but still it is totally usable. I wouldn't pay an extra dime for more performance.
I expect the Intel 950GMA to be better than my current Radeon - it doesn't even support Core Image, while the Intel does - and I suppose these games will run much better there. I am not a gamer, and I only play ocassionally (and that's the hardest use I make of the 3D capabilities of the laptop), so I'd rather have a 999 MacBook with Core Duo and integrated graphics.
BenRoethig
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pjkelnhofer said:
Yes, they are the same, they just look different. There is no such thing as a PC made for a certain operating system. Mac OS X and Windows do the same thing and now on basically the same hardware. OS X just does it better. Apple is a PC maker, one who makes PCs for indivduals who want something different than the average PC. However, they are not prractical for every application. OSX would work just as good on an ATX machine as it would an iMac if it were using the same firmware.
Legacy said:
So you do expect that anyone would buy a MacBook Pro and cash out an extra $500 for some more megahertzs and a bigger display? No way is there going to be such a laptop in the MacBook line, especially at that price point...
...unless there comes out a 14'' MacBook Pro with Merom this summer... 🙂
It all boils down to what strategy is Apple following. If they want to position themselves aggresively they might try a Core Duo line in the MacBooks and a Core 2 Duo line in the MacBook Pro in August. This way I could believe this amazing MacBook for that money... However, if Apple is to keep the Core Duo at the MacBook Pro, I doubt they'll make a high end MacBook so close to the Pro's.
ImAlwaysRight
macrumors 6502a
Apple did it with the 17" MacBook Pro ... made the 15/17" 2.16GHz the same price, but 17" obviously a much better buy. Why would Apple do that? Because the 17" came out four months later, so they could afford to do that. Since the 13" is even later (couple weeks later), I expect it to pack a lot of punch for a decent price in comparison to the 15" MBP. I wouldn't doubt it if the MacBook Pro 15" price dropped when the 13" comes out, or, Apple keeps it the same price, sells very few the next couple of months, and then the 15" and 17" will go to Merom in a couple of months. That way there is always a more popular seller, first the MBP's, now the MacBooks, and in a couple months, the MBP's again. Pretty good strategy if you ask me.gedto said:
I disagree that the low end MacBook is going to cost $1299. The most expensive low-end MacBook we'll see is $1099. The iBook G4 presently costs $999. How would an iBook G4 for $999 be a deal for education customers AFTER the MacBook is released? I do think the iBook G4 will stick around for EDU customers, but maybe at a $799 price point. Base MacBook will cost $999 if integrated graphics, or $1099 if dedicated graphics. You just wait and see. 😉Legacy said:
pjkelnhofer
macrumors 6502a
filterban said:
While their may be advantages, increasing market share has not been one of their stated goals.
Word of mouth advertising is not going to grow linearly; as more casual users switch, they will be less vocal.
The main barrier of Windows vs. OS X is not going away. People know and are familiar with Windows so they stick with it. Bootcamp helps, but if you end up using mostly Windows then your money was not well spent. You will be susceptible to all the viruses and blue screen errors on your Mac that you would have been on a Dell that cost half the price.
I wish it were that simple, but I think it will take more than an 8% marketshare to get a lot of business to take them seriously. Not to mention, even Apple's new ad campaign touts the Mac for "Life" stuff. It references how good the PC (meaning Windows) is at a spreadsheets. Does that sound like a company whose goal is to make inroads in the business world?
Not really (for companies other than Apple), if I buy Photoshop for OS X or Photoshop for Windows Abode makes their money. They would only double profits if people bought both.
This is probably true, but do you really think that Apple wants the amount of availible software options that Windows have. It would start to cut into Final Cut, Aperture, iLife, iWork, etc. sales. Remember they are both a software and a hardware company.
Then why does Apple say the contrary?
BenRoethig
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At $1499, you're making a good upscale notebook, but you're losing the switchers back to the PC world. I know that's perfectly fine with some of you, but I'm not sure it would be very good for Apple's bottom line.
gedto said:
Well:
1.66---->1.83Ghz $100
13.3"----> 15.4" $100
X1400---->X1600 $100
Alu form-factor backlit keyboard etc $100
Premium for extra bundled 'Pro' apps that were not available on the iBook $100 = $1999
To put this in perspective:
iBook G4 12" had:
1.33Ghz/512RAM/40GB/9550 32MB/Combo
PowerBook G4 12" has:
1.5Ghz/512RAM/80GB/FX5200 64MB/Super
The PowerBook costs $500 more.
Why?
1.33Ghz--->1.5Ghz increase (NOTHING compared to 1.66--->1.83 boost) $50
40GB--->80GB (which is around $100)
9550 32MB--->FX5200 64MB (the FX5200 is worse than the 9550, only it has more VRAM so realistically, we are talking $50 here)
Lets give another $100 for Combo-->Super and another $100 for form factor, well it all tops up to $400 extra. EXACTLY similar to what the dilemma is currently with the shift from the high MB-->MB Pro
Regards 😉
ImAlwaysRight said:
Yeah I hope your right. I would love to see a $999 Core Solo/iIG unit and I passionately believe it very tangible to achieve this for Apple, but it would be manufacturing two models with different GPU's and probably, therefore, two motherboards. One with IIG, one with ATI. It may not be efficient in that sense...its only a thought😛
ImAlwaysRight
macrumors 6502a
A Good Sign...
Just noticed refurb iBook 12", iBook 14", and PowerBook G4 15" all at the Apple Store now, where earlier this week there were none. I think that is a very good sign MacBooks are ON THE WAY. 😉
Just noticed refurb iBook 12", iBook 14", and PowerBook G4 15" all at the Apple Store now, where earlier this week there were none. I think that is a very good sign MacBooks are ON THE WAY. 😉
pjkelnhofer
macrumors 6502a
Legacy said:
I agree with everything you said except this. Isn't 1.33 to 1.50 the same GHz boost as 1.66 to 1.83 (they are both .17 GHz). Percentage wise the 1.33 to 1.50 GHz is a slighter greater increae (12.8% to 11.3% increase).
Maybe we can get our hopes now...
Just posted not too long ago at MacWorld:
Apple Cubed -- 5th Avenue to open in New York
By Jim Dalrymple
Apple is set to open its newest retail store on New York's 5th Avenue, the company said on Thursday. "Think inside the box," said the invitation sent to select press this morning for a preview of the location before it officially opens -- an obvious ironic message for a company that is well known for thinking outside the box. Pictures of the store show a giant cube on 5th Avenue that "will form a stunning gateway to a circular glass staircase and cylindrical elevator leading to an underground 25,000-square-foot Apple retail store."
It doesn't give a date for the event, but maybe we can assume that it will be next Tuesday since it will be a 'preview of the store.' Maybe we can also assume that the MacBook will be a part of this event.....
Just posted not too long ago at MacWorld:
Apple Cubed -- 5th Avenue to open in New York
By Jim Dalrymple
Apple is set to open its newest retail store on New York's 5th Avenue, the company said on Thursday. "Think inside the box," said the invitation sent to select press this morning for a preview of the location before it officially opens -- an obvious ironic message for a company that is well known for thinking outside the box. Pictures of the store show a giant cube on 5th Avenue that "will form a stunning gateway to a circular glass staircase and cylindrical elevator leading to an underground 25,000-square-foot Apple retail store."
It doesn't give a date for the event, but maybe we can assume that it will be next Tuesday since it will be a 'preview of the store.' Maybe we can also assume that the MacBook will be a part of this event.....
pjkelnhofer said:
You know what I meant... I've used a PB 1.5Ghz machine and the iBook G4, I can hardly notice the difference at all in speed, theyre both slow as hell. I own an iBook 1.33 myself. The G4 truthfully sucks big time😱 There is more of a diff/ between two cores increasing than one core I would argue and even if that was not completely true and we held it to be a $100 instead of $50 increase, then it would still make the PowerBook $450 more expensive c.f $400 over the proposition I have made. Surely between a year of launch, one would expect to get more bang for their buck?! Therefore the $50 is probably irrelevant anyway...😛
KaiMac said:
I see where you're coming from, but how many Apple Store openings have warranted a special press event? I think there is something more to it. Just my opinion....
I'd say the Apple Store release is probably as likely as the release at a E3 event was. It's an event, and so an opportunity for something to happen, but it, if anything, is less of an opportunity for Jobs to actually demo the machine. And I think he's going to want to demo it.
I'll give this a 49% possibility. Especially as The Steve doesn't seem to be sure if he even wants to come, despite paying for the glass box thing out of his own Disney wages.
I'll give this a 49% possibility. Especially as The Steve doesn't seem to be sure if he even wants to come, despite paying for the glass box thing out of his own Disney wages.
Machead III
macrumors 6502
Well, I'm about ready to cough up for a MacBook as soon as they are released, but only on one condition... That Half Life 2 and Aperture are usable.
Lack of any dedicated gfx in the whole line = significantly less MacBooks sold to students. That's for sure.
Lack of any dedicated gfx in the whole line = significantly less MacBooks sold to students. That's for sure.
Would this make a great ad or what?
(The screen is white, two men stand, full view, in front of the camera. One is middle aged, and wearing a suit. The other is wearing jeans, a "Think Different" T-Shirt, and an iPod. The suited guy is holding a joystick, and making reflexive movements)
Suited Guy (SG): "Woah... out of the way... bang, gotcha! Hahah! Oh no. Oh no! Dudududududu! Ha! Who's your paternal-figure? Hey? Hey? Who's your paternal figure?"
Hip Young Guy (HY): "Hey dude, whatcha doing?"
SG: "I'm playing a really awesome game. You play a secret agent, and you have to shoot the henchmen, and... hold on... woah! Ok, you want a turn?"
HY: "Oh, come on! Surely you could be doing something productive, like, erm, burning DVDs? I can burn DVDs. Yeah! Make your own movies, it's cool"
SG: "Yeah, I did that once. Hold on... woah! Gotcha! Haha! Gotcha, what's behind the wall? Oh... hey, it's multiplayer if you want to join in."
HY: "Oh, games. Aren't those what games consoles are for?"
SG: "Depends on the game. This is an mod someone did for Doom 5, so you'd never see it on a console. You just don't get that kind of innovation on closed platforms like consoles. Hold on, I got it! I got the papers! Now, how do I get out? Er..."
HY: "You know, you ought to be sorting through the pictures on your digital camera which I can do really easily with iPh..."
SG: "Yeah, that'd be a real fun time. Real. Fun. Time. Yeah. Sure you don't want a game? Hold on... blam! Gotcha! Where the hell did he come from anyway? Ok, through this wall..."
HY: "Oh no, games are such a waste of time. I'd rather do something productive like, erm, manage my iTunes collection. That's something I'm good at..."
SG: "Me too, you do know I run iTunes right? Aw come on, let your hair down a little. I thought I was supposed to be the stiff."
HY: "No."
SG: "Wait... I think there's a hidden passage here... read it in a forum somewhere... oh yeah, next to the pot plant, got it, extra health, excellent. Anyway, why not? Why don't you want a go?"
HY: "I don't want to talk about it."
SG: "What?"
HY: "I said I just don't want to talk about it, ok? Ok?"
SG puts the joystick down for a moment: "You can't play games. That's what it is, right?"
HY: "Right. Ok. So I can't play games. What's the big deal? Nobody plays games anyway."
SG: "Sure. Nobody does. Right. Yeah, just me. Just boring, suited, me. Not like I play more games than all the games consoles put together. Right."
SG falls on floor, rolling with laughter.
HY: "Ok. OKAY! Now let me turn this photo slideshow and jingle I put together in Garageband into a DVD. Not a waste of time like playing games is."
HY walks off in huff. SG picks up joystick and continues playing.
Fade to black:
"Apple Macintosh"
"The Computer That Can't Play Games"
"But That's Ok Because Nobody Plays Games Anyway"
* Disclaimer: this is a spoof. And it largely spoofs certain attitudes that have been put forward over the last few days in this thread. There are some good games for the Mac, that work best on those that don't have IIG. Many older games will work ok on those with GMA950s, but in some high profile instances not as well as games that run on three or more year old dedicated graphics cards.
(The screen is white, two men stand, full view, in front of the camera. One is middle aged, and wearing a suit. The other is wearing jeans, a "Think Different" T-Shirt, and an iPod. The suited guy is holding a joystick, and making reflexive movements)
Suited Guy (SG): "Woah... out of the way... bang, gotcha! Hahah! Oh no. Oh no! Dudududududu! Ha! Who's your paternal-figure? Hey? Hey? Who's your paternal figure?"
Hip Young Guy (HY): "Hey dude, whatcha doing?"
SG: "I'm playing a really awesome game. You play a secret agent, and you have to shoot the henchmen, and... hold on... woah! Ok, you want a turn?"
HY: "Oh, come on! Surely you could be doing something productive, like, erm, burning DVDs? I can burn DVDs. Yeah! Make your own movies, it's cool"
SG: "Yeah, I did that once. Hold on... woah! Gotcha! Haha! Gotcha, what's behind the wall? Oh... hey, it's multiplayer if you want to join in."
HY: "Oh, games. Aren't those what games consoles are for?"
SG: "Depends on the game. This is an mod someone did for Doom 5, so you'd never see it on a console. You just don't get that kind of innovation on closed platforms like consoles. Hold on, I got it! I got the papers! Now, how do I get out? Er..."
HY: "You know, you ought to be sorting through the pictures on your digital camera which I can do really easily with iPh..."
SG: "Yeah, that'd be a real fun time. Real. Fun. Time. Yeah. Sure you don't want a game? Hold on... blam! Gotcha! Where the hell did he come from anyway? Ok, through this wall..."
HY: "Oh no, games are such a waste of time. I'd rather do something productive like, erm, manage my iTunes collection. That's something I'm good at..."
SG: "Me too, you do know I run iTunes right? Aw come on, let your hair down a little. I thought I was supposed to be the stiff."
HY: "No."
SG: "Wait... I think there's a hidden passage here... read it in a forum somewhere... oh yeah, next to the pot plant, got it, extra health, excellent. Anyway, why not? Why don't you want a go?"
HY: "I don't want to talk about it."
SG: "What?"
HY: "I said I just don't want to talk about it, ok? Ok?"
SG puts the joystick down for a moment: "You can't play games. That's what it is, right?"
HY: "Right. Ok. So I can't play games. What's the big deal? Nobody plays games anyway."
SG: "Sure. Nobody does. Right. Yeah, just me. Just boring, suited, me. Not like I play more games than all the games consoles put together. Right."
SG falls on floor, rolling with laughter.
HY: "Ok. OKAY! Now let me turn this photo slideshow and jingle I put together in Garageband into a DVD. Not a waste of time like playing games is."
HY walks off in huff. SG picks up joystick and continues playing.
Fade to black:
"Apple Macintosh"
"The Computer That Can't Play Games"
"But That's Ok Because Nobody Plays Games Anyway"
* Disclaimer: this is a spoof. And it largely spoofs certain attitudes that have been put forward over the last few days in this thread. There are some good games for the Mac, that work best on those that don't have IIG. Many older games will work ok on those with GMA950s, but in some high profile instances not as well as games that run on three or more year old dedicated graphics cards.
tcloyd said:
It's being described as a flagship store, supposedly designed by Steve himself. If I'm not mistaken it will be the largest Apple store as well. And it's on prime, prime real estate. So it probably would warrant a special event, even without a hardware release...
I'm mixed about the likelihood of a MacBook release at the store opening.
What I'm praying is not true is the PiperJaffray report expecting no MacBook release until July (based on no uptick in Apple's guidance for the quarter, plus Apple's own statement describing JULY & AUGUST as their primary educational buying months).
peharri said:
😀 😀 😀
Oh the days....'On Jan 24th...Apple will release, 'Mac-In-Tosh' and you'll see why 1984 won't be...like 1984..'
22 Years later...
'On May 16th...Apple will release, 'Mac-Book' and you'll see why 2006...won't be...like 2006..'