Macbook Pro 15inch 2011 ATI 6750m Game Benchmarks

[apolloa]

Wow this thread was a good read until page 6 where it's turned into a TROLL feeding frenzy!!

Anyway, great result from the machine. I think I am confident enough to state that an off the shelf top end 15" MB Pro with the default screen res is the BEST laptop on the market today.
It's a surely tempting buy, just get one from a store, chuck in your own SSD and away you go. I can't see the point in the extra cost on the BTO CPU? 2mb cache and a slight speed bump isn't worth it with a quad core IMO?

Anyway, to those wishing to game on the laptop, do NOT buy the higher res screen. I did that and the GPU just cannot cope with games at the native res, but then again if you want matte you have no choice then BTO.

 

[woutertjh]

Is there really no one, who has the base 15 inch model with the 4690, waiting for day's to see some actual benchmark's! Can someone PLEASE put on some benchmarks before i make my decision, Everyone is saying the 6490 totally sucks ass, But no single one of those guys have proof. and it seems strong to me that apple are total dumbasses putting a less powerfull videocard in a 1800$ machine than a year ago.

 

[wywern209]

Wow this thread was a good read until page 6 where it's turned into a TROLL feeding frenzy!!

Anyway, great result from the machine. I think I am confident enough to state that an off the shelf top end 15" MB Pro with the default screen res is the BEST laptop on the market today.
It's a surely tempting buy, just get one from a store, chuck in your own SSD and away you go. I can't see the point in the extra cost on the BTO CPU? 2mb cache and a slight speed bump isn't worth it with a quad core IMO?

Anyway, to those wishing to game on the laptop, do NOT buy the higher res screen. I did that and the GPU just cannot cope with games at the native res, but then again if you want matte you have no choice then BTO.

Crysis seems to run fine at 1680x1050 with a mix of highs and some mediums and that is on stock settings. I imagine it will run even better with the CUDAATS mod.

 

[apolloa]

Crysis seems to run fine at 1680x1050 with a mix of highs and some mediums and that is on stock settings. I imagine it will run even better with the CUDAATS mod.

But it will run better and faster at the lower res.

 

[jk6959]

Better is subjective and that leads to the point of graphics vs speed. Coming from a ULV laptop I'd probably find 30fps min and pretty graphics acceptable while another user may require 60fps min and be willing to sacrifice some details.

I doubt the hi-res will max out details in newer or upcoming games, but has enough horsepower to do medium+ for a while

 

[ddoolin0]

Yes, people want the optical drive gone, I am one of them. Nobody wants it out because we all hate opticals discs, most people think the space is better used for more ports and better cooling both of which are problems with the MBP. There are no known cooling issues with this Asus and which idiot complains about having more ports? Asus does not force you to attach one peripheral per port, if you don't need it, don't use it.

There are plenty of good reasons to buy a Mac but you are being ridiculous. The Asus offers 90% of what the Mac does for half the price so don't knock it for lame reasons.

Yes, I know. I agree the optical drive needs to go...perhaps you misunderstood.

However, the ports, no. Instead of more ports, just use newer technologies (like Light Peak) that allows multi-use. If you're going to have USB, replace USB 2.0 with USB 3.0. If you're going to have a card reader, have one that can read all cards. This can greatly reduce the number of ports you need and the less ports, the better.

I like how I get told not to knock something but the troll, whose every other post is knocking you, me, and the general community, gets nothing. Oh well. Can't win them all.

 

[wywern209]

But it will run better and faster at the lower res.

and mustard is yellow. if i can get close to or above 30 fps i'm happy and on default stock settings, all high at the high res was able to get 17-27 fps. expecting 60fps is a ridiculous proposition. even full fledged desktops often struggle to run crysis at such a fps. of course crysis will run on very high ast 800x600 with 80 fps but that doesn't mean you should use that setting. my computer from 6 years ago can play pong at 100000 fps.

 

[ChronoIMG]

There are plenty of good reasons to buy a Mac but you are being ridiculous. The Asus offers 90% of what the Mac does for half the price so don't knock it for lame reasons.

I guess no one buys a Mac anymore for the OS... If you love Windows so much go buy a Windows capable plastic laptop. This thread is about gaming benchmarks on a MacBook Pro. Please troll elsewhere, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[apolloa]

and mustard is yellow. if i can get close to or above 30 fps i'm happy and on default stock settings, all high at the high res was able to get 17-27 fps. expecting 60fps is a ridiculous proposition. even full fledged desktops often struggle to run crysis at such a fps. of course crysis will run on very high ast 800x600 with 80 fps but that doesn't mean you should use that setting. my computer from 6 years ago can play pong at 100000 fps.

Games consoles run games at 60fps, so why step down to 30 on a computer? As for fully fledged PC's:

http://www.youtube.com/user/maxishine?feature=chclk#p/u/0/K3bpMk0Lp08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzELwp5-fpY
http://www.youtube.com/user/maxishine?feature=chclk#p/u/1/cWLthirnJZY

Yes you can play at the higher res but I still say the standard res screen is best for games on a laptop, an average of 30fps isn't good enough IMO?

 

[ddoolin0]

Games consoles run games at 60fps, so why step down to 30 on a computer?

Game consoles also run at really high resolutions, still with no choppiness/lag. I don't think it's unreasonable that mobile GPUs can't put out this kind of performance. Unlike their desktop counterparts who have the cooling parts, power, and space, mobile GPUs are tiny and limited on power and cooling. Then again, I think it boils down to getting what you pay for.

24 FPS is generally fine for the human eye, save for the "flicker" that is solved in many modern monitors anyway.

 

[DarwinOSX]

Asus makes crappy plasticky pieces of junk with no service and support that run Windows. I don't think you have very much experience with laptops.

I don't sit there and benchmark my own laptop.

My Asus has the exact same hardware as the Macbook Pro 2010 version. Only I have a 1GB Geforce and my screen is 14".

 

[apolloa]

Game consoles also run at really high resolutions, still with no choppiness/lag. I don't think it's unreasonable that mobile GPUs can't put out this kind of performance. Unlike their desktop counterparts who have the cooling parts, power, and space, mobile GPUs are tiny and limited on power and cooling. Then again, I think it boils down to getting what you pay for.

24 FPS is generally fine for the human eye, save for the "flicker" that is solved in many modern monitors anyway.

But you do need a higher FPS for the game to be consistently smooth, 24fps is right but only if it's constant. But yes the new Macs on the standard res certainly should be capable of good performance with high settings.
I think I would buy after Lion is released though, for the Trim support if nothing else. Anyway, it's good to see better profoming parts in Macs again. I think they should just stick with ATI now?

 

[DarwinOSX]

iFxit loves to get attentions buy putting out nonsense like this. That amount of "goop" is normal. Even iFixit only says it "may" be a problem.
Your Thinkpad comments are just silly. Lenovo has really cheapened the line in every way. My work laptop is a T410 and I also have sitting here next to me a T43 and T60. The T410 is nowhere near the parts or build quality of the older Thinkpads. We see alot of these arrive DOA or dying within a few months of use which you never used to see with IBM Thinkpads. IBM may have had them made in China too but they had standards much more stringent than Lenovos. There is a reason Lenovo "Thinkpads" are so cheap. You get what you pay for.

About the only high quality PC laptops I have seen stand up to Macs, especially regarding display quality, are HP's W series. They cost as much or usually more than Macs.

Plus they run Microsoft's latest mediocrity of an OS, Windows 7. Typically I dual boot Linux on them so I can run a modern OS. Not one with a halfass interface pasted on top of crap code like Windows 7.

Also they are not the exact same hardware. Apple designs their own motherboards in conjunction with intel and nobody else uses them. Even the parts that may be the same are held to higher standards and tolerances by Apple than by other manufacturers. In the same factories in China. I've been there when I worked for Motorola. Higher quality standards and a higher fail threshold means these parts cost Apple more than they cost the others. Plus a custom motherboard and display requirements that are much higher than most others mean higher build costs. Lenovo uses cheap lousy displays btw.

So run through your spec sheets all you want. Doesn't mean much. Not to Mac users value quality and user experience and are willing to pay for it.

The Laptops I am comparing the Macbook to have the exact same hardware inside.
Actually, the T420 beats the Macbook any day.
and to be fair, this particular Thinkpad T series costs as much as a Macbook Pro. and, IMO, much more worth the price.

 

[tjb1]

Games consoles run games at 60fps, so why step down to 30 on a computer? As for fully fledged PC's:

http://www.youtube.com/user/maxishine?feature=chclk#p/u/0/K3bpMk0Lp08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzELwp5-fpY
http://www.youtube.com/user/maxishine?feature=chclk#p/u/1/cWLthirnJZY

Yes you can play at the higher res but I still say the standard res screen is best for games on a laptop, an average of 30fps isn't good enough IMO?

You realize a game console is purpose built to do one thing, all the hardware and software is built to work off of that and the games are optimized for the system...

 

[aznguyen316]

http://www.geforce.com/#/News/articles/crysis-2-demo?cid=Demo_Crysis2_Email

DO IT. Crysis 2 demo, let's see how that quad core helps. My guess is at 1440x900 advanced will be playable but max will be out of the question on the new 2.2's

 

[wywern209]

Games consoles run games at 60fps, so why step down to 30 on a computer? As for fully fledged PC's:

http://www.youtube.com/user/maxishine?feature=chclk#p/u/0/K3bpMk0Lp08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzELwp5-fpY
http://www.youtube.com/user/maxishine?feature=chclk#p/u/1/cWLthirnJZY

Yes you can play at the higher res but I still say the standard res screen is best for games on a laptop, an average of 30fps isn't good enough IMO?

30 fps is good enough for me. Heck even 24 is fine. And I'll do what I need to to play it on my high res screen. On a moderation note can we get more benchmarks ? Also 5000 dollar maxishine rigs don't count when I said computer. I meant the average computer.

 

[ddoolin0]

But you do need a higher FPS for the game to be consistently smooth, 24fps is right but only if it's constant. But yes the new Macs on the standard res certainly should be capable of good performance with high settings.
I think I would buy after Lion is released though, for the Trim support if nothing else. Anyway, it's good to see better profoming parts in Macs again. I think they should just stick with ATI now?

True. It's a good idea to check the minimum benchmarks across the board for the game(s) you intend to play before making a purchase. Always the minimum. I saw the 6490QM didn't put out enough for me to pay SCII so I decided to get the 6750M instead.

Anyway...I'll be posting my benches here when I actually get mine and I'm done tinkering with it.

 

[DesmoPilot]

iFxit loves to get attentions buy putting out nonsense like this. That amount of "goop" is normal.

Though it may be "normal", it's only normal because lots of companies just goop the stuff on. For optimal thermal transfer, that amount of thermal paste is very excessive.

For example, I replaced the thermal paste on my MBP with the proper amount. Temps reduced 15-20C at load and ~10C at idle.

 

[TheHoff]

Asus makes crappy plasticky pieces of junk with no service and support that run Windows

1. Crappy, plasticky -- yes
2. Run windows -- yes

3. No service and support -- NO

I had awesome service and support from my last Asus under warranty. They sent a delivery driver to my door, picked up my laptop for overnight repair, and sent it back overnight, too. Actually that is better service than I got from Apple when my Superdrive needed replacement.

 

[apolloa]

30 fps is good enough for me. Heck even 24 is fine. And I'll do what I need to to play it on my high res screen. On a moderation note can we get more benchmarks ? Also 5000 dollar maxishine rigs don't count when I said computer. I meant the average computer.

Well that's fine if 30FPS is good enough for you as your the one playing, not me. And I know I was cheeky posting those vids, but then again people on the Mac Pro forum on here buy Mac Pro's just to play games?? I still prefer my Mac and consoles to an ultra expensive PC anyway, but it's great hardware porn!!

True. It's a good idea to check the minimum benchmarks across the board for the game(s) you intend to play before making a purchase. Always the minimum. I saw the 6490QM didn't put out enough for me to pay SCII so I decided to get the 6750M instead.

Anyway...I'll be posting my benches here when I actually get mine and I'm done tinkering with it.

That's what we need, more benchmarks posted. Also if anyone is willing to post some vids on You Tube? Please do so. I know we all sound excited lol but God damn it this is THE best graphics update since Apple stuck two GPU's in it!!! IMO of course.

 

[sk3tch]

Some good benches/YouTube videos here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/apple-mac-os-x/558078-2011-mbp-bootcamp-benchmarks-add-yours.html

 

[julian-nold]

24 FPS is generally fine for the human eye

pls stop saying that^^ it's true but even a not too enthusiastic gamer will feel the difference, thats why "CS pros" (I meen the sniper noobs and so on xD) need there 100+ FPS

WoW eg might not give you the same "bad" experience at 24fps as a shooter does,but 30-35 minimal should give you a "nice" experience ....but as allways the truth lies in the eye of the beholder...

but back at topic => 1440x900 will give you the best "result" when it comes to gaming because, as mentioned before, native res gaming is the biggest gain in quality you can get^^

Just played a bit Crysis 2 Demo and Advanced at 1280x800 makes it nearly unplayable online but I will not say: "because my 2 year old Alien outperformes the high end 2011 Pro @ Crysis (1), it will be the same with Crysis 2"... I even HOPE the highend Pro will outperform it, du to the quite old 3780x2 @ DX10, so that I have a reason to buy the new 15 highend

Greetings
Julian

 

[wywern209]

pls stop saying that^^ it's true but even a not too enthusiastic gamer will feel the difference, thats why "CS pros" (I meen the sniper noobs and so on xD) need there 100+ FPS

WoW eg might not give you the same "bad" experience at 24fps as a shooter does,but 30-35 minimal should give you a "nice" experience ....but as allways the truth lies in the eye of the beholder...

but back at topic => 1440x900 will give you the best "result" when it comes to gaming because, as mentioned before, native res gaming is the biggest gain in quality you can get^^

Just played a bit Crysis 2 Demo and Advanced at 1280x800 makes it nearly unplayable online but I will not say: "because my 2 year old Alien outperformes the high end 2011 Pro @ Crysis (1), it will be the same with Crysis 2"... I even HOPE the highend Pro will outperform it, du to the quite old 3780x2 @ DX10, so that I have a reason to buy the new 15 highend

Greetings
Julian

was advanced on high settings? or medium? and if your 3870x2 has probs with the demo, i am very worried about the macbook pro's performance on the demo at any resolution. not to worried though. i do have a ps3 if the game is unplayable on my macbook

EDIT: i checked out the 3870x2 on notebookcheck and as it turns out, the 6750 is better though to what degree i don't know.

 

[aznguyen316]

was advanced on high settings? or medium? and if your 3870x2 has probs with the demo, i am very worried about the macbook pro's performance on the demo at any resolution. not to worried though. i do have a ps3 if the game is unplayable on my macbook

yeah doesn't look too good..

from what I take it, gamer = medium, advanced = high and hardcore = ultra. There isn't a "low" setting

 

[grahamnp]

Yes, I know. I agree the optical drive needs to go...perhaps you misunderstood.

However, the ports, no. Instead of more ports, just use newer technologies (like Light Peak) that allows multi-use. If you're going to have USB, replace USB 2.0 with USB 3.0. If you're going to have a card reader, have one that can read all cards. This can greatly reduce the number of ports you need and the less ports, the better.

I like how I get told not to knock something but the troll, whose every other post is knocking you, me, and the general community, gets nothing. Oh well. Can't win them all.

No, I don't think we agree. I am trying to say that there is no reason to remove the ODD if there is nothing better to put in that space. Space is at a premium in Macs but this is not the case with the PC vendors.

Agreed, I would pick newer technologies any time but Thunderbolt is currently not available to anybody else and USB3.0 will remain relevant for at least a few years. I think this is them doing the best they can.

I guess no one buys a Mac anymore for the OS... If you love Windows so much go buy a Windows capable plastic laptop. This thread is about gaming benchmarks on a MacBook Pro. Please troll elsewhere, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

This is not a Mac vs Windows thing, it was purely a hardware discussion. It was not me who brought this up but point taken, I will say no more. I'm sorry for further derailling the thread.