- The base model 16" is 6-core.
I don't think there are Intel CPUs suitable for 13" MBPs with more than 4 cores.
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MacBook Pro 2020 13" USER Reviews
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I don't think there are Intel CPUs suitable for 13" MBPs with more than 4 cores.
This afternoon, I've been using my 10th gen 13" pro for about 3 hours, driving an external display and USB speakers through a Thunderbolt 3 dock. Not a taxing workload, just music, Excel, about 5 Safari tabs, and 2 MS Word documents. The temp has ranged from 40 to 55 and the fan has not come on at all. I've had the machine about 9 days and this experience is pretty typical.
I don't have the 8th gen base model to compare it with, but my model with 10th gen processor runs cool most of the time with the fans off or running slowly & inaudibly. I have to try to push the machine to get the temp up high and the fans to kick on.
I'm especially happy, because I had the opposite experience with the 2020 MBA I bought in March. It ran hot quite often, even for basic everyday tasks, and the fan was on quite a lot. I used a 3rd party app to disable Turbo Boost, which helped a bit, but I hate disabling a feature I paid extra money for. I returned it about 10 days later and ordered this new 13"MBP with 10-gen processor the day it was announced. Very happy with my decision.
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X1 carbon i7-10810U 6 core - I am not shure if you can buy it now and it is 14".
Lenovo X1 Carbon i7-10810U
Because of the long "repair" (now 3 weeks) of my 5000 € Macbook Pro 15" 2018 with swollen batteries I am on search for alternatives with replaceables m.2 SSD's.
According to ark.intel.com the 10810U is a 6-core 15W Comet Lake part on 14nm, with 620 UHD graphics. I don’t think that would be an acceptable primary GPU for Apple.
That $200 USD assumes you also upgraded to 16GB of memory. Which surprisingly is not always necessary. But I take your point it becomes an interesting proposition.
Unfortunately where I'm based, the difference goes from USD$200 to more like $USD265. Guess that's taxes and of course Apple just trying to wring the last few dollars out.
Apples and Oranges comparison between the base 8th gen and 10th gen is at USD$565 here. That mean's is it enough of an upgrade to warrant that price difference? Of course that's up to individual requirements, but it's certainly worth thinking about - I certainly am.
On the market re-sell -- I sell have sold personally many macs over the years - only keep for maximum of 3 financial years). Company I am at, on-sells 100's of them (admittingly to a refurbishing company rather than to end-users). What have found that the base models seem to sell the easiest and largely get the least loss on them. On occasion if you have something that is in high demand at the time (pre-butterfly 2015 high-spec macbook pro's kept 75% of their purchase cost after 3 years). Most of the time after 3 years you'll be lucky to get 65%. It doesn't seem to matter what the spec so spending more just means a greater amount of $ loss even if the % is the same.
Hope I've explained myself well there...
Why not ? - is there a better GPU on the 2020 13" Macbook Pro ?
There are a lot of external GPU's.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Good to know you've had no issues with the device and you're happy with your purchase.
I'm planning on ordering a the same model myself next week!
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...s-expected-for-Tiger-Lake-U-too.465627.0.html interesting read here
looks like 2020 MBP work in progress product, may be Apple really working on 14" MBP.
Firmware and software update may fix some of the issues which are reported so far.
looks like 2020 MBP work in progress product, may be Apple really working on 14" MBP.
Firmware and software update may fix some of the issues which are reported so far.
Yes, the 2020 13” MacBook Pros have better GPUs. Even the base model with the 8th generation chip has an older version of Iris Plus that is still better than UHD 620. As for external GPUs, they aren’t very portable.
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Notebookcheck is fake news and heavily biased against Apple. Even MaxTech ran tests showing that the Ice Lake i5 MacBook Pro outperformed the Dell XPS 13 with the i7-1065G7. They actually ran long-running tasks and showed that the MacBook Pro chips do put out higher wattage.
That said, Intel’s TDPs are misleading. The 9-10W Y-series top out at 12W, while the “15W” U-series actually tops out at 25W. The 28W are slightly souped up versions of the “15W” chips. So the difference in performance isn’t as much as it might appear based on wattage. But that’s nothing new. Apple basically gets slightly optimized versions of the U-series chips, as it has for years.
I wonder apple design choice to support 6k Display went against them in some of the CPU choices here.
At $5k not sure how many consumers are going to buy and pair it with $999/$1299 MBA machines and even MBP $1799
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At $5k not sure how many consumers are going to buy and pair it with $999/$1299 MBA machines and even MBP $1799
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right TDP is configurable either up or down, 15 TDP can go up to 25 TDP or lower to 9 TDP.
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The Ice Lake chips support 6K displays by default. My guess is that the Ice Lake Y chips were the only realistic chips for the new Air. Apple could have adopted the U-series Ice Lake for the base 13” Pro, but for whatever reason they limited it to the higher end. My guess is that the 2020 update was primarily to get the new keyboard introduced. Perhaps a 14” is in the works.
The reason i am speculating (about 6K display support) is that CPU number i5-1038ng7, Custom CPU for Apple
Intel® Core™ i5-1038NG7 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.80 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel
Intel® Core™ i5-1038NG7 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.80 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
ark.intel.com
Intel® Core™ i5-8257U Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel
Intel® Core™ i5-8257U Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
ark.intel.com
and ironically both are priced at $320 (8th Gen CPU) and mostly cost conscious decision on RAM, Mother board and other stuff for $1299 MBP with 8th Gen CPU and wish apple used lower clocked 10th Gen CPU (1035g7) in lower end MBP but again it will compete with MBA and not much difference between them.
It is time to adjust the MBA, MBP pricing and line up and keep the 16" truly champion machine (may be start with 32GB RAM as standard). Appliance model should have different specs at different price points (as most of the parts are not upgrade able last few years)
anyway we came long way - MBA
now that difference between MBA and MBP line is very blur
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MBA - $999 - 8GB /256 SSD - 7 to 10 watts TDP CPU
MBA - $1299 - 16GB /512GB SSD
MBP - $1199 - 8GB/256 SSD - 15 to 25 Watts TDP CPU
MBP - $1499 - 16Gb/512GB
MBP 13" - $1799 - 32GB/1Tb - 35 to 45 Watts TDP CPU
MBP 16" - $1999 - 32GB/512GB - 35 to 45 Watts TDP CPU
MBP 16" - $2399 - 32GB/1 TB - Higher end GPU
that would be my line up with appliance model (not much need to configure or less number of SKU for BTO)
MBA - $1299 - 16GB /512GB SSD
MBP - $1199 - 8GB/256 SSD - 15 to 25 Watts TDP CPU
MBP - $1499 - 16Gb/512GB
MBP 13" - $1799 - 32GB/1Tb - 35 to 45 Watts TDP CPU
MBP 16" - $1999 - 32GB/512GB - 35 to 45 Watts TDP CPU
MBP 16" - $2399 - 32GB/1 TB - Higher end GPU
that would be my line up with appliance model (not much need to configure or less number of SKU for BTO)
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Reason is pretty obvious - it is an Apple. Latter Apple always does this kind of stuff. Basically in 2016, lower base didn't have a touchbar. In 2018, lower base still didn't have a touchbar and was a dual-core. While higher end 2018 was a quad-core. So basically lower end buyers were "enjoying" it from mid 2017 till mid 2019 with dual-core. And only july update of the base model was quite significant - omg it is updated after 2 years with TB and 4 cores.
Basically lower end MBP 13 was always cut'n'sliced machine without some benefits. Miss those days, when all of the MBP 13 did have dual fans at least.
So there is no secret why base model in 2020 is again with cons like 8th gen chip. So you are forced to buy higher end. Or MBP 16.
It wasn't only for keyboard. The real MBP 13 does have ddr4 ram and 10th gen Ice Lake. So that was a primary reason to announce new 13 inch. And base was updated just for keyboards.
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Base MBP 13 2020 8th gen is CPU wise equal to i7 quad-core MBP 15 2014. Pretty interesting.
Also base i3 Air 2020 is equal to 2017 dual-core MBP 13 with no Touch bar. That is also somewhat amazing.
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So this morning I received my new MacBook Pro 10th Gen / 2.0GHz / 16GB / 512GB.
First impressions are fantastic. I'm coming from a late 2016 nTB MacBook Pro and the difference really is night and day...
The new Magic keyboard is amazing and so much better than the butterfly switches. In fact, I'd say it's the best keyboard I've ever used on ANY computer and combines the stability of the butterfly switches with the key travel and typing comfort of the older models. It really is the best of both worlds!
Performance... Obviously it's too soon to tell, but my old Mac wasn't too slow so I think this one will be more than sufficient for my needs.
The only thing I'm not totally convinced about is the Touch Bar. I've never used a Mac with one before and it kind of seems like it adds an extra step to certain functions rather than speeding them up (e.g. accessing mission control).
Overall, I'm in love with my new machine and can't wait to start using it on a daily basis. I'm a freelancer and use my Mac pretty much all day every day, so it's going to make my work so much more pleasurable.
I've gone for Space Grey this time too and I really like it (old machine was silver). I've heard this makes your machine at least 20% faster... no!?
First impressions are fantastic. I'm coming from a late 2016 nTB MacBook Pro and the difference really is night and day...
The new Magic keyboard is amazing and so much better than the butterfly switches. In fact, I'd say it's the best keyboard I've ever used on ANY computer and combines the stability of the butterfly switches with the key travel and typing comfort of the older models. It really is the best of both worlds!
Performance... Obviously it's too soon to tell, but my old Mac wasn't too slow so I think this one will be more than sufficient for my needs.
The only thing I'm not totally convinced about is the Touch Bar. I've never used a Mac with one before and it kind of seems like it adds an extra step to certain functions rather than speeding them up (e.g. accessing mission control).
Overall, I'm in love with my new machine and can't wait to start using it on a daily basis. I'm a freelancer and use my Mac pretty much all day every day, so it's going to make my work so much more pleasurable.
I've gone for Space Grey this time too and I really like it (old machine was silver). I've heard this makes your machine at least 20% faster... no!?
This is great to hear, I’m upgrading from a late-2016 13” touchbar to 10th gen i5/32gb/1TB and this is exactly what I wanted to hear. Really looking forward to the keyboard and also an external LG 4k Ultrafine which I just ordered.
Will post my impressions!
You'll love it. I also have the LG Ultrafine 4k... A perfect partner for the machine.
This is great to hear - I did exactly the same and returned my 2020 Air - awaiting delivery of a 10th gen MBP this week 🙌
Why do so many people use Chrome? It's horrendous in terms of privacy and tracking, and that's before the memory and processor issues on a Mac. I understand there is some sites and applications that only work with Chrome (SAP for example), but youTube is not one of those sites
For me, it’s mainly because I have to juggle multiple google accounts, and Safari doesn’t seem to play well when it comes to quickly switching amongst them.
So on my Mac, I use my personal gmail account on safari (which is where I run YouTube). For work, I access my google sites via Chrome. Anecdotally, google docs seems to run and render better in chrome than in Safari. And the bookmarks sync with chrome on my windows work laptop, but I also use Pinboard for managing bookmarks.
Plus with 40 gb ram on my imac, I can still take the hit.
Just feels cleaner that way.