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Macbook Pro is not a professional machine

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The focus of Apple is making thin and light laptops for people in Starbucks rather than making laptops that actually performs good.

That is why Apple puts a more than 2 year old GPU that you find in $750 PC laptops because the machine has to look good rather than performing good.
 
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A machine which:
- 1 year warranty
- low-end performance
- is not robust (it remains to be seen that the 2018 Macbook Pro has fixed the keyboard)

This is more like a laptop to show off rather than a Professional one.

I will be curious what is wrong with the 2019 Macbook Pro. Every year there is something wrong with these machines due to the focus on being thin.
 
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UBS28 said:
That is why Apple puts a more than 2 year old GPU that you find in $750 PC laptops because the machine has to look good rather than performing good.
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Friend, you’d be surprised, but everyone uses two year old GPU simply because nothing newer is available. Of course, you can go NVIDIA which are 2.5 years atm. And you’d be rather troubled to find a $750 or even a $5000 laptop with those GPUs simply because they are Apple-exclusive. What you find in other laptops is garbage, lower-quality chips that have been rejected by Apple.
 
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UBS28 said:
A machine which:
- 1 year warranty
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-You can buy AppleCare for an additional price, ALL major manufactures do this for business line computers

UBS28 said:
A machine which:
- low-end performance
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- Compared to what? There's nothing 'low-end' about the performance of these machines

UBS28 said:
A machine which:
- is not robust (it remains to be seen that the 2018 Macbook Pro has fixed the keyboard)
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- I'm not sure you know what the word 'robust' means but this statement has no clear meaning or understanding as it is.


And your post title "Macbook Pro is not a Professional Machine" - In what terms do you mean? What kind of a professional? Certainly maybe not for a professional UFC fighter, or a baseball player. Likely more suited for a business professional, or tech-type professional, I'll admit, but even still these are very good options for professionals and anyone who says otherwise doesn't really know what they are talking about.

You have to think of it two-fold. Some people prefer the whole 'Apple-sphere' to Windows and PCs in general. Some just like the way they look. Some like the ecosystem of all their other devices working together.

Many people enjoy these machines, and for the most part, they are very good machines.
 
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UBS28 said:
The focus of Apple is making thin and light laptops for people in Starbucks rather than making laptops that actually performs good.

That is why Apple puts a more than 2 year old GPU that you find in $750 PC laptops because the machine has to look good rather than performing good.
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Can I ask some serious questions?

Why the need for this thread?

What is your objective? If it is to inform us of some earth-shaking news, you're too late. There are a plethora of these threads.

Thin, light laptops are great for those who travel and have to carry them around all the time. A laptop that is 1 pound lighter than another really is noticeable in a backpack, and for frequent travelers, can be a quite welcome option. With that said, I have often commented about Apple's obsession with thinness, even when it was of no real consequence, or when the thinness actually was a negative (iPhone camera bump, half-baked keyboard designs, etc). However, to come here to complain about Apple's design in a new thread, when there are already many threads on the subject, seems somewhat pointless. You are simply complaining without offering anything constructive.

Please, tell us what you would have us do.

We've seen Apple go from truly innovative hardware (thin, light MacBook Air, retina screens on MBPs, and the new iMac Pro) to laptops (MB and MBP) that seem to be frock with quality-related issues. We've seen the trashcan Mac Pro become a major failure. And now Apple is trying to resolve some of the concerns. They delivered on an expensive, but promising iMac Pro line and they've promised a new Mac Pro. Cook has hinted that there may be a new, useable Mac mini... so maybe they are trying... but again, what's your point? What is the take away here? IMO, even your complaint is somewhat half-a**ed.
 
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dwfaust said:
Can I ask some serious questions?

Why the need for this thread?

What is your objective? If it is to inform us of some earth-shaking news, you're too late. There are a plethora of these threads.

Thin, light laptops are great for those who travel and have to carry them around all the time. A laptop that is 1 pound lighter than another really is noticeable in a backpack, and for frequent travelers, can be a quite welcome option. With that said, I have often commented about Apple's obsession with thinness, even when it was of no real consequence, or when the thinness actually was a negative (iPhone camera bump, half-baked keyboard designs, etc). However, to come here to complain about Apple's design in a new thread, when there are already many threads on the subject, seems somewhat pointless. You are simply complaining without offering anything constructive.

Please, tell us what you would have us do.

We've seen Apple go from truly innovative hardware (thin, light MacBook Air, retina screens on MBPs, and the new iMac Pro) to laptops (MB and MBP) that seem to be frock with quality-related issues. We've seen the trashcan Mac Pro become a major failure. And now Apple is trying to resolve some of the concerns. They delivered on an expensive, but promising iMac Pro line and they've promised a new Mac Pro. Cook has hinted that there may be a new, useable Mac mini... so maybe they are trying... but again, what's your point? What is the take away here? IMO, even your complaint is somewhat half-a**ed.
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If you haven't noticed..... OP's post history should tell you everything you need to know.
 
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Howard2k said:
This may come as a shock, but computers are quite important in the work place. They are very heavily used in a professional capacity.

Professionalism /= elitism.
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That's not the point. The point is that responding to "MBP is not a professional machine" by "actually it is because someone is able to do professional work on it" makes no sense as the second thing can be said about any machine at all and quite obviously, not because we have to guess for the topic starter but purely from this logical construct, the topic starter meant another widespread definition of professional machine which makes sense but does not entail every other laptop in the world for which this counterpoint does not stand.

I mean any other response like "look, it is, it renders X video Y seconds faster than Lenovo workstation laptop" would make sense, there might be arguments to it, but it least it makes sense. Response that this is professional machine because someone can do professional work on it. By this logic abacus equals to MBP.
 
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That's not the point. The point is that responding to "MBP is not a professional machine" by "actually it is because someone is able to do professional work on it" makes no sense as the second thing can be said about any machine at all and quite obviously, not because we have to guess for the topic starter but purely from this logical construct, the topic starter meant another widespread definition of professional machine which makes sense but does not entail every other laptop in the world for which this counterpoint does not stand.
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Yep, good call. Let's disregard logic and the actual meaning of words.

And on a serious note, it does highlight the absurdity and elitism of some MBPro users. The throttling is far less likely to impact a writer or photographer. But we're just going to say that those guys are not professional so that the people who encode video or whatever can have their own little clique.
 
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Yep, good call. Let's disregard logic and the actual meaning of words.

And on a serious note, it does highlight the absurdity and elitism of some MBPro users. The throttling is far less likely to impact a writer or photographer. But we're just going to say that those guys are not professional so that the people who encode video or whatever can have their own little clique.
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Let's do it. We're just going to say that those people won't notice a difference between typewriter and MBP and between 300 laptop with great external display and MBP for their professional need.

On a serious note, writer does not need even i5. It's not that he will not notice throttling. He will not notice ANYTHING related to CPU, base model will be a huge overkill so why talk?
Similar thing goes about photographer.
You must argue why Apple updated the CPUs several times last years at all - it was perfect in MBP'11 (or even earlier) as it was for them.

And this leads back to the point I made. By this logic everything is a professional machine. And this means this is not worth discussing from this POV. There is just nothing to discuss. Not "nothing negative to discuss, why you say bad things about Apple?", but just nothing at all, neither positive, not negative, nothing changed.
But there is another POV (most known as "professional = workstation" but not exactly) which makes sense to discuss.

It's not about removing someone from the equation. It's about "all other things being equal this one is bad".
 
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UBS28 said:
The focus of Apple is making thin and light laptops for people in Starbucks rather than making laptops that actually performs good.

That is why Apple puts a more than 2 year old GPU that you find in $750 PC laptops because the machine has to look good rather than performing good.
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I mean I literally make money on my computer all day as a motion/graphic designer. I mean could it be faster as a laptop? Yes. But to discount that it's not a professional machine is just hyperbolic.
 
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apiro said:
Let's do it. We're just going to say that those people won't notice a difference between typewriter and MBP and between 300 laptop with great external display and MBP for their professional need.

On a serious note, writer does not need even i5. It's not that he will not notice throttling. He will not notice ANYTHING related to CPU, base model will be a huge overkill so why talk?
Similar thing goes about photographer.
You must argue why Apple updated the CPUs several times last years at all - it was perfect in MBP'11 (or even earlier) as it was for them.

And this leads back to the point I made. By this logic everything is a professional machine. And this means this is not worth discussing from this POV. There is just nothing to discuss. Not "nothing negative to discuss, why you say bad things about Apple?", but just nothing at all, neither positive, not negative, nothing changed.
But there is another POV (most known as "professional = workstation" but not exactly) which makes sense to discuss.

It's not about removing someone from the equation. It's about "all other things being equal this one is bad".
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Not going to go through it piece by piece, but yeah, pretty much all computers are professional computers. I think we both agree on that.

It's the elitists who somehow thing that Professional means Elite.

"Professional" does not mean "video compilers". It means professional.

so yes, the MBPro is a "Professional" machine. So is pretty much any computer. Even the lowly MacBook in the hands of an appropriate user.

So there is no question that the MBPro is a professional device. The question is whether the computer is fit for a particular purpose. Arguing whether it is "professional" or not is absurd. Arguing whether it is a good platform for heavy video encoding is not absurd, that's a sensible conversation.
 
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Howard2k said:
Not going to go through it piece by piece, but yeah, pretty much all computers are professional computers. I think we both agree on that.

It's the elitists who somehow thing that Professional means Elite.

"Professional" does not mean "video compilers". It means professional.

so yes, the MBPro is a "Professional" machine. So is pretty much any computer. Even the lowly MacBook in the hands of an appropriate user.

So there is no question that the MBPro is a professional device. The question is whether the computer is fit for a particular purpose. Arguing whether it is "professional" or not is absurd. Arguing whether it is a good platform for heavy video encoding is not absurd, that's a sensible conversation.
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So? BTW not only heavy video encoding but also huge photo collection encoding. See? It's still photographers as well as video editor but not all photographers and not all videoeditors.
 
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This claim is like going to yankee stadium with a megaphone and berating Aaron judge
Yeah, he has faults, but ya just don’t announce that.
 
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