I would agree to a point... it seems of late, the only consistency is that the devices tend to have problems... whether it's hardware or software, it seems to take Apple multiple iterations before things "just work", the way they used to.
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Macbook Pro is not a professional machine
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I would agree to a point... it seems of late, the only consistency is that the devices tend to have problems... whether it's hardware or software, it seems to take Apple multiple iterations before things "just work", the way they used to.
It’s the new Apple. It used to be that you should avoid their first-generation anything (think iPod Photo, iPod Nano 1G, iPhone 2G, iPad 1, Apple Watch 1, and even the first MBP with those 8600M GTs).
Now wait for the 4th generation
I took a look at that machine and I wouldn’t necessarily change what I said. Here’s my sources. Had to use AI and Ars for the Mac because Ars have disk speed and AI actually bench the 2.2Ghz, same as the Aero
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...o-review-better-faster-stronger-throttle-ier/
http://appleinsider.com/articles/18...nch-macbook-pro-is-much-more-than-a-spec-bump
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Gigab...070-Max-Q-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.296594.0.html
The Aero is about 12% heavier (4.02 vs 4.49), 21% thicker (0.61 vs 0.74) and about 22% faster in cinebench multi core (930 vs 1133). They are not quite in the same class, and not quite the same speed. Meanwhile the Aero has a faster, gaming oriented GPU and the MBP a substantially faster SSD.
I’d stand by what I said. The MBP isn’t the fastest laptop around, but competitive in it’s size and weight class. I’d very much agree that if pure performance numbers are all you’re looking at the MBP is not the strongest, and never has been.
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Maybe these notebooks with the i9 should be just a tiny bit thicker?
I’ve thought for a few years that certain amount of customers would see value in a 17” balls to the wall SKU. A separate design to the other MBPs. Not necessarily a 9lb+ luggable but a big, chunky(ish) mobile workstation that just goes all out with XEONs, ECC, RAID, swappable everything and a much more powerful GPU (A pro one, not a gaming one). A real engineering showcase. They don’t, and they most likely won’t, however so I tend not to spend too much time worrying about it.
For my own use case the 2018 is the most compelling upgrade for a number of years. I need fast disk, more RAM and more threads.
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And Apple will threw in the Bridge OS errors and kernel panics for free.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2018-macbook-pros-crashing-with-bridge-os-error.2128976/
After the throttle fix patch, MacBook Pro is getting about 1050 in cinebench so only marginally slower in cinebench (less than 10%)
Thank you. I’d seen better figures than the ones from AI from MR users with 2.2Ghz too. AI’s figures were about the lowest post-patch figures I’ve seen in fact. I just didn’t want to be accused of cherry picking. Even in the worst case, those aren’t bad figures by any means.
What do you use it for?
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Thanks for the definitive answer. You must be a professional...
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There was a time I would buy whatever was new because I knew it would be something special and groundbreaking. The quality would be there and the support was next to none. Used to be able to walk into an Apple Store and talk to a genius without an appointment.
Nowadays I wait, and I wait, to see what problems crop up, what the fix is, and then decide whether the product is a good investment. Too many problems these days. I love Apple products but I'm not stupid.
Also there is an iPad Pro. I use it professionally. Along with my late 13’ MBP 13”
There are different types of professional. It seems like a lot of people on these forums are interested in video/audio/photo editing. I dont do any of these and I am a different type of pro user (prof doing scientific computing and hpc). When we complain that the MBP is not a pro machine any more, we are comparing it to what it could do in the past. It does not meet all of my needs which it used to do in the pre 2016 designs.
So when I say the MBP is not a pro machine, I am of course speaking for my own use case, and I dont imply that others who may still find it useful are unprofessional. Many people are taking our criticism of apple design choices very personally.
So when I say the MBP is not a pro machine, I am of course speaking for my own use case, and I dont imply that others who may still find it useful are unprofessional. Many people are taking our criticism of apple design choices very personally.
And there lies the problem. Everybody wants a solution for themselves, whereas Apple computers are a solution for the most [so don’t include all by the nature of their business decisions]. I for one am not included in being able to just use a MBP for my professional use - I require a desktop. However they are very suitable for my professional use as a secondary computer, in mobile situations.
The problem is they project what they find as a short coming to everyone. Because the MBP is missing X and I can't do my job, that means that MBP cannot do the job for anyone...
I presume the complaints stem from the premise that most of them could do their professional work well on the previous macbook pros.
Which is weird since these 2018 models have shown they are faster than the 2017 models post patch.
I can understand if you're looking for something specific. I think most of us would prefer an Nvidia GPU or some higher end Vega model, but that doesn't mean the machine can't get work done. Maybe just not as well. Of course, if you're paying this much with the apple tax, you may have some right in complaining if the machine you are purchasing doesn't have the best components available. However, you always need to make some sacrifices with a portable machine.
Aye, such a 'MacBook Extreme' would do wonders for Apple's customer goodwill (not that it should necessarily be called that, of course…) Perhaps some of that industrial-strength muscle could be saved for the top-level build-to-order configuration, though, as I doubt everyone would need everything on that list, enthusiast temptations aside. (Add 'traditional, physical function keys in addition to or in place of the Touch Bar' to that list, naturally. 'Way more ports' should be on it, too, list even though some of the I/O I want will inevitably still have to be gained using some kind of port extender, and we'd be golden; I could foresee 4 Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports sometimes not being enough. Besides that, I'd personally just take 'swappable everything' and 'a much more powerful GPU ([a] pro one, not a gaming one,)' as I'd otherwise be fine with what you can currently get by maxing out the 2018 MacBook Pro on everything except storage, in which skimping out on that would be much more palatable if I could upgrade it later!)
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Lately, there've been way too many.
Oh my gosh people really need to stop harping on those three letters Pro. It ALL comes down to marketing. ANY and I do mean ANY computer of ANY kind is a professional computer. I know a professional photographer using Windows XP still on an old Dell with 2GB of RAM and a Pentium 4 system. He is a professional photographer. Photoshop CS1 is all he needs.
We had professional editors at my previous job using Adobe CS4 InDesign with 2-4 GB of RAM and Core 2 Duo systems. They were using these back in 2016!
Pro just means enhanced. THAT IS ALL. Nothing more. Nothing less. It is an ENHANCED Macbook and MacBook Air. It is BETTER than those two.
Take a look at Microsoft’s Surface Pro. How much 3D modeling or 8K video editing or 4K video gaming can those Surface Pro’s do? Look at the PS4 Pro. Can you do 8K video editing on that? No. Because the ONLY reason to have Pro in a product name is to indicate ENHANCED.
I wanted to find a good file comparison tool for my programming. One tool had a Standard edition and a Professional edition. I can do my professional work with the Standard edition just fine.
Geez this is the same thing year after year after year after year. I remember when the 2013 rMBP came out and people were saying the same thing because they could not burn their DVDs without buying an external drive.
We had professional editors at my previous job using Adobe CS4 InDesign with 2-4 GB of RAM and Core 2 Duo systems. They were using these back in 2016!
Pro just means enhanced. THAT IS ALL. Nothing more. Nothing less. It is an ENHANCED Macbook and MacBook Air. It is BETTER than those two.
Take a look at Microsoft’s Surface Pro. How much 3D modeling or 8K video editing or 4K video gaming can those Surface Pro’s do? Look at the PS4 Pro. Can you do 8K video editing on that? No. Because the ONLY reason to have Pro in a product name is to indicate ENHANCED.
I wanted to find a good file comparison tool for my programming. One tool had a Standard edition and a Professional edition. I can do my professional work with the Standard edition just fine.
Geez this is the same thing year after year after year after year. I remember when the 2013 rMBP came out and people were saying the same thing because they could not burn their DVDs without buying an external drive.
Or you could move on, Why wait for 2019? “True professionals” are an elite group with exacting needs, just ask them. Or they will tell you on Macrumors over and over. Normal professionals work and use the right tools for the job without the emotional attachment.
This is as consumer level as it can be.
I had a call about my 2018 15' MBP with AppleCare and I had to wait a whole week (this is really a joke for a "Professional" machine) to have my machine checked out. Now here is where it gets interesting.
Somehow Apple screwed up and couldn't find my appointment. All they could do is telling me that I have to make an other appointment which is an other week of waiting.
The should rename MacBook Pro to MacBook Consumer. If my business laptop gets broken, it gets fixed the same day and if it takes longer to repair I get a replacement to continue working.
Now I am going to consider returning it since the next appointment will be outside my 14-day return period. I am not sure if the issues I am having are software or hardware issues.
I had a call about my 2018 15' MBP with AppleCare and I had to wait a whole week (this is really a joke for a "Professional" machine) to have my machine checked out. Now here is where it gets interesting.
Somehow Apple screwed up and couldn't find my appointment. All they could do is telling me that I have to make an other appointment which is an other week of waiting.
The should rename MacBook Pro to MacBook Consumer. If my business laptop gets broken, it gets fixed the same day and if it takes longer to repair I get a replacement to continue working.
Now I am going to consider returning it since the next appointment will be outside my 14-day return period. I am not sure if the issues I am having are software or hardware issues.