The warranty period is standard, how the hell does it have LOW END PERFORMANCE???? Do you know what LOW END PERFORMANCE IS???
Finally, not robust? The keyboard issues have been fixed.
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Macbook Pro is not a professional machine
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Finally, not robust? The keyboard issues have been fixed.
Having the latest and greatest isn't always better. I'd rather have a reliable computer than the fastest one. This is why I'm typing on a 2015 MBP right now. Wait 6 months to a year to see if the current ones have any issues.
Professional doesn't always mean the newest. In business you want something tried and true.
That being said, I would agree that Apple does need to be more regular with updates and product refreshes.
Professional doesn't always mean the newest. In business you want something tried and true.
That being said, I would agree that Apple does need to be more regular with updates and product refreshes.
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Or perhaps in a more general sense, being professional is having the right tool for the job. That could be a MacBook Air for some people quite frankly. I have a 2016 MBP because the thing I needed for the job more than anything else was a 5K monitor and portability. I hated the keyboard and was uncertain about USB-C, but I bought into the 2016 MBP anyway because it had something I really needed and I was willing to give everything else a pass because of it. It wasn't the perfect tool, but it was the right tool.
I've actually come to like the keyboard and am really sold on USB-C/TB3. I still can't say the 2016 is the perfect tool, but it's more than just the right tool for the job now.
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I wish I had a dollar every time someone on this forum was worried about what someone in Starbucks was doing.
I'm a professional writer, and both my MacBooks work fabulous for my line of work.
The current MBP "just works" for my "professional" MS Word usage as well as "professional" websurfing. And your point is?
I used to think the way you do and then I bought a MBP and never looked back. Sure on paper the specs may be lower but not aspect of the professional world revolves around specs. A computer is about being productive and if the software allows one to be more productive than a bleeding edge set of hardware doesn't really matter.
Real professionals that need a laptop also care about battery life. I'm not talking about synthetic specs but actual real world use. Sure the GPU may be slower than some PC options but I also want to use a laptop away from a wall plug for longer than an hour. Thats kind of the entire point of a laptop after all. So it can go with us and we can do work when we are away from a power source. The 17" Razor Blade on paper is a beast of a laptop compared to a MBP but it also gets less than two hours of run time when just web browsing. More intensive tasks are likely around an hour of battery life.
The MBP is about balancing all the aspects a professional needs for a computer. CPU speed, GPU speed, storage speed, size, weight and battery life. Apple strikes a balance between all of those so not one of them is a major compromise. Apple also selects parts that work well for the needs of the user and to create a user experience where a professional can focus on their craft. Sure the 560x may be a joke to some gamers (which I may add is not a profession) but its plenty of graphics power for the tasks an Apple user would utilize. FCPX makes great use of the 560x. So does Logic, Motion, Compressor and any graphics application a professional would use. As a UX Designer, Sketch will also make excellent use of the 560x. In fact I can't think of a single profession that suffers due to the 560x unless one games for a living (lol).
Of course more power will always be welcome by Apple users but not at the expense of lugging around a suit case size laptop or something that is lucky to get an hour of battery life when really actually using the CPU and GPU at its full potential. If the tradeoff of a few more minutes of render time means I actually have a laptop that is easy to carry, store, usable in a cramped airline seat, not plug the power in every time I switch rooms in my house then so be it.
Cudos to Apple for thinking with their big head instead of their little head.
Majority of devices in top 5 companies in the US (save for apple themselves) are macs
Lots of people who arent professionals if you ask me
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Wow so many nonprofessionals working at these companis
Lots of people who arent professionals if you ask me
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Wow so many nonprofessionals working at these companis
Hey, I also bought my late 2013 13" MBP on my company account. I don't need a frikkin' GPU. I've only used it for lots of Office, lots of websites (mainly WordPress) and lots of development (using the command line, of course, for software to run on Raspberry Pis and AWS servers).
But obviously, none of that counts as pro work. Now I come to think of it, I could do that on a PowerBook G4! I could even use my Psion 7 for it! And if it was down to the OP, I would probably be forced off my MBP because I'm not a pro then?
Won't stop my from buying a hexacore 2018 15" MBP when the time is right. MBPs are great pro machines because they get the job done quickly and with ease. Nothing to do with specs or with niche target audiences.
But obviously, none of that counts as pro work. Now I come to think of it, I could do that on a PowerBook G4! I could even use my Psion 7 for it! And if it was down to the OP, I would probably be forced off my MBP because I'm not a pro then?
Won't stop my from buying a hexacore 2018 15" MBP when the time is right. MBPs are great pro machines because they get the job done quickly and with ease. Nothing to do with specs or with niche target audiences.
Oh no! All my income just disappeared after I switched to the 2018 MacBook Pro!
Not.
Not.
I really think we need to stop using the word Pro to describe a user base for whom this laptop isn't suitable for. I, along with many in this thread are professionals and this laptop does just fine.
This is a professional laptop, used by professionals. It isn't a laptop with desktop grade performance. If you want desktop grade performance you buy a desktop, or a thicker laptop better suited to the edge cases of performance requirements.
This is a professional laptop, used by professionals. It isn't a laptop with desktop grade performance. If you want desktop grade performance you buy a desktop, or a thicker laptop better suited to the edge cases of performance requirements.
No such thing as a 'professional machine'. A computer is simply a work tool. All tools are professionally used.
I'd say they are a professional machine (it depends what your profession is, i use one as an IT professional, but that's because of the lack of windows headaches, battery life, portability, nothing to do with performance), but the caveat is that apple sells them as a multimedia powerhouse.
In 2018, they simply are not.
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Of course there is. The definition may vary from person to person, but just like there are things such as professional quality cameras, kitchen equipment, etc. you can do the job with lesser gear.
Professional gear is generally more expensive (check) and generally gets the job done more quickly or easily or to a higher level of quality, or more comfortably (Or all of those things) to justify the price.
Depending on your field, the Macbook Pros still do that today. In my job for example, there's no way in hell i'd use a crappy $400 netbook with spinning disk, crap screen, 2-4 GB of RAM, etc. Because time is money and my Macbook Pro gets the job done faster, easier, and more comfortably.
But professional video workstation? Not so much any more.
Jesus Christ.
Everybody knows that anyone who uses their laptop to work is a 'professional' - i.e. if you're not a professional at something you're unemployed. I mean, I'm a "professional" and all I do is use Word and Excel all day long. I would be just as well off with a $299 Celeron Dual Core Dell.
However it isn't rocket science to remember that, in the past (maybe until there was a 17-inch MBP?), "Pro" meant "suitable for performance-intensive" tasks. So it is not unreasonable to state just that when the MacBook Pro moniker is labeled on machines that are one or two steps above the Air.
Everybody knows that anyone who uses their laptop to work is a 'professional' - i.e. if you're not a professional at something you're unemployed. I mean, I'm a "professional" and all I do is use Word and Excel all day long. I would be just as well off with a $299 Celeron Dual Core Dell.
However it isn't rocket science to remember that, in the past (maybe until there was a 17-inch MBP?), "Pro" meant "suitable for performance-intensive" tasks. So it is not unreasonable to state just that when the MacBook Pro moniker is labeled on machines that are one or two steps above the Air.
Unless you have a very, very high tolerance of crappy keyboards (oh, wait), screens and trackpads and slow performance, no you probably wouldn't.
You wouldn't have the screen real estate whilst still keeping things clear and readable in excel for one.
Yes, but at this point these fights are more silly then anything. I need a laptop for work, and the MBP is fine for what I want it to do. It may not be fine for another person, because that person's needs may be different.
Apple markets the laptop to fit the needs of the majority of laptop buying customers. For the longest time, people were arguing its not a pro machine because it's limited to 16GB, now people can't use that excuse so they're dumping on the MBP for different reasons. Seems silly to me.
Indeed it hasn’t, and actually most of the MBP line is very good. But I don’t remember in recent memory the top of the line crazy expensive MBP being so far off the actual high-end.
Maybe it’s because there wasn’t any coverage back in the day?
It's the SSD in the high storage models. Control for the SSD and the pricing of the Mac laptops look a lot more consistent over time.
The definition of a “professional” means different things to each person. It’s too subjective to simply say the MacBook “Pro” isn’t for professionals. There are different tools for different people.
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This is very well said. There are different “professions” out there, and each one requires different types of tools. Is the MacBook Pro the right one for all professionals, no. Is it the right one for certain people and professions, yes. Just because it doesn’t fit a particular person’s needs doesn’t mean it isn’t professional.
But of course there are people who are going to use that as justification to talk bad about the MacBook Pro. No one machine is going to meet every “Professional” need. I find the debate on this almost pointless and just a way to talk down Apple products. If you don’t like them then find a product that suits your “professional” needs. I’m a “professional” and my MAcBook Pro suits my needs.
It still isn’t far off the actual high-end, if you compare it to things in its size and weight class. The difference here is that the PC OEMs triangulate just about every other size and weight class and fight for the share there. From the thin and light, up to the 9lb monsters and, collectively, just about everything in between. Apple can’t (and wouldn’t, even if they could I suspect) have a machine at every point in that range.
In the end these machines are expressions of what Apple thinks a professional notebook looks like. It’s perfectly reasonable to say they don’t fit your needs but saying they are not pro as a result is very much a No True Scotsman argument.
Thinking about the same size/weight class, the Gigabyte AERO 15X comes to my mind - and we would all agree that beats the MBP fair and square.
But I’m starting to question why I’m on this thread. I never bought Macs (or iPhones) for their performance, but for their consistency, and I don’t think I will EVER purchase a top of the line Mac.