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...and what if the widgets and icons on the right-hand side of the menu bar already take up most of the right-hand "ear"? What about if you're running in a "larger text" scaled mode?

Don't get me wrong - this wouldn't stop me buying one, but it is introducing a lot of extra complexity (and potential app incompatibility) for very small, and mainly cosmetic, returns. Also means that - if App writers do support it - you're going to see a different UI depending on which model of Mac or external display you're using. Not good UI design.

You can obtain a similar end result - getting back the full screen area - by choosing "auto-hide menu bar" or just using full-screen mode.
I'm on the same side as you. The notch is crap the design is also crap still it's a powerful machine and many pros will like it. The menu implementation is ok maybe using Bartender 4 would solve the problem for the icons on the right.
 
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M1 Max won every other benchmark, but how did it lose here?
 
This is all true. What’s also true is that these new MBPs look thicker, clunky and ugly. As a non-Pro, there is absolutely no way I can spend thousands to rock a design from 2012-2015. Apple strangely took several steps back. I think they could have made this thinner by removing the useless HDMI port and incorporated the flat-edge industrial exterior design that we see in practically all other current Apple products.
Good, buy the MacBook Air then. Why are you complaining a functional machine have the necessary compromises?

MacBook Air= be as thin as possible
MacBook Pro= be usable
 
It's designed and optimized for YouTubers, photographers and musicians. ;)

You can't play AAA games because no game studio is releasing all those AAA titles for macOS. Makes sense.
You can do all of those better on a Windows PC machine without limitations. The whole point of even bothering with PCs in 2021 is to be able to do everything that an iPhone or PS5/XsX can't... Mac is the opposite of that.
 
It is funny how everyone is up in their arms about "port xy" and magsafe being back and I have been holding onto my retina MacBook Pro from 2012 for so long that it is literally just an upgrade for that MBP for me. I never experienced missing those ports.

And yes, the 16inch looks HUGE and heavy.
I'm in the same boat, upgrading my old Dual Core I7 8gb RAM 13inch from late 2012, so to me the upgrade is the screen(of course the M1Pro too), but I never got the pleasure or displeasure of the Touch Bar, and have always had the ports.

Of course my "consumer" mind was worried that the base 14 inch 8 core with 16GB wasn't going to be enough for me, I mean I can sometimes have 10 Safari tabs open with email, iMessage and music on at the same time, so I clearly need the 10/32 with 64GB, especially after having my old MBP for almost 10 years, and it still working fine for me, except for a battery that holds 10 minutes of charge now.

So, it took lots of staring at the screen and the compare charts and an itchy index finger to finally hit the buy button for the "base" 14inch, hope I don't have to send it back!!! For lack of computing power, for the intense use I am going to require from it.
 
Still wondering how these guys get them so early.
I'm going to assume this is a real question and not a joke, I'm too dense to pick up on.

Apple sends these units to tech reviewers usually a week or a month before their public release, and requires them to sign a NDA type document that usually expires a day before the release date, so they can post their reviews to drum up more interest.
 
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Well, if, as an example, we are to have a legacy video port, I want my mini display. After all I am using an Apple Cinema Display with mini port (albeit with an adapter now). Hopefully the next iteration will have a truly useful display port....
I have a miniDisplay Cinema Display too, with a Satechi adapter I'm using for my 2018 MBA. Really really really hope this setup works with my new 16" MBP. I love this monitor.
 
I have a miniDisplay Cinema Display too, with a Satechi adapter I'm using for my 2018 MBA. Really really really hope this setup works with my new 16" MBP. I love this monitor.
Mini DisplayPort is dead. It was superseded by USB-C DP Alt Mode. No manufacturer is going to put a Mini DisplayPort on a computer chassis ever again (maybe on a video card). Sorry.
 
Maybe? But how did the previous generation FaceTime cameras fit in the thin lids? Right, only 720p. OK.

So then what we're trying to say/spin here is that the depth of the 1080p camera dictates the relative extra depth of iPad Mini 6? Meanwhile we seem to have what may be the exact SAME 1080p camera module in this thin MBpro lid. So apparently what we're trying to say about that is that Apple couldn't have positioned it higher in the lid than they did... because if Apple could, then a few more millimeters of iPad Mini 6-like bezel would fully fit that camera in the bezel, eliminate the notch and, by shifting the whole screen down those few millimeters, they would deliver that "extra screen" all the way across including the part that would be behind the notch... NOT have to thicken the macOS menu, etc.

If only Apple had a few millimeters of room at the bottom of the screen to be able to accommodate that shift.
This is the start of how this M-generation of iDevices is going to look. I reckon this is Apples way of simply getting us used to the notch Rather than deal with the backlash next year when they update the rest of the machines. It's over and done by then.

The next gen will probably bring Face ID and all its sensors to the party which WILL require the extra height anyhow.

But yes they could have given you a bigger bezel, and a slightly smaller screen. However, you'll be able to shift the screen down anyhow to create a "software-bezel" and regular aspect ratio screen.
 
Except that you’re comparing older chips to a new one.

Alder Lake mobile is already benchmarked as beating the M1 Pro/Max.

Desktop Alder Lake is absolutely crushing everything out there. 30% faster single core than Ryzen 5000.

You’re also comparing chips with absolute freedom of use (any OS, any task), vs chips that are heavily locked down and purpose built. ASICS are always going to perform better at the tasks they were designed specifically for.
But Alder Lake mobile still consumes significantly more power than the M1 Max with only marginally faster performance CPU performance.
 
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This is the start of how this M-generation of iDevices is going to look. I reckon this is Apples way of simply getting us used to the notch Rather than deal with the backlash next year when they update the rest of the machines. It's over and done by then.

The next gen will probably bring Face ID and all its sensors to the party which WILL require the extra height anyhow.

But yes they could have given you a bigger bezel, and a slightly smaller screen. However, you'll be able to shift the screen down anyhow to create a "software-bezel" and regular aspect ratio screen.

I'm not dreaming of a "smaller screen." I'm pointing out that with only a modestly-thicker top bezel...
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...the ENTIRETY of this screen shifted down those few millimeters would have preserved every bit of this "extra" to the left & right of the notch, ADDED the "extra" hidden by the notch, left macOS menus the height they've always been, readily accommodated apps with many menus that will bump into the notch and get handled in some "unique" way to be determined, etc. Net result: all the stunning greatness "as is" MINUS the notch.

Doesn't iPad Pro have FaceID? And doesn't all that extra stuff fit in the iPad Pro bezel? And isn't THAT bezel the same size as the one in iPad Mini 6? If so, then again, I find myself thinking: since Apple could do it... could FIT it... there, why not here too? I look at the bottom of MBpro screens and I see what looks like plenty of space for this downshift of only a few millimeters. It's not a LOT of shift. Look at the left bottom edge of Mini bezel vs. the bottom edge of MBpro bezel in the picture. It seems like that is as little as only a few millimeters.

So why not? That's rhetorical because only Apple knows. I'm simply an Apple consumer dazzled by everything else about these new super-Macs but bugged by this one thing that doesn't seem like it was actually the ONLY way to go. Why do I think that? Because Apple made 1080p FaceTime and Face ID work in thin bezels on iPad Pro and Mini and there is clearly enough room at the bottom for the whole 16:10 + "extra" to shift down a few millimeters and be fully preserved. Bonus for those trying to spin this on the merits of the "extra" is that this would ADD the extra, "extra" obscured by the notch too.
 
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No it doesn't. From someone that has extensive history in overclocking, any processor has some degree of additional headroom over stock clocks. Throttling is the cpu pulling back from advertised speeds due to thermal issues. I figured your comment wasn't relevant.

Overclocking is not what is going on here. Apple has a strong limit on the power consumption. In “power mode” it slightly relaxes that limit.

Basically, Apple is underclocking all MBPs except the 16” Max.
 
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Wonder if Netflix, HBO Max, Disney+, Hulu etc can stream 4k HDR in these machines with the Safari browser (or any other browser). I understand it's not a 4k display, so should have a scaled display. It should not be 1080p.
 
I'm not dreaming of a "smaller screen." I'm pointing out that with only a modestly-thicker top bezel...

...the ENTIRETY of this screen shifted down those few millimeters would have preserved every bit of this "extra" to the left & right of the notch, ADDED the "extra" hidden by the notch, left macOS menus the height they've always been, readily accommodated apps with many menus that will bump into the notch and get handled in some "unique" way to be determined, etc. Net result: all the stunning greatness "as is" MINUS the notch.

Doesn't iPad Pro have FaceID? And doesn't all that extra stuff fit in the iPad Pro bezel? And isn't THAT bezel the same size as the one in iPad Mini 6? If so, then again, I find myself thinking: since Apple could do it... could FIT it... there, why not here too? I look at the bottom of MBpro screens and I see what looks like plenty of space for this downshift of only a few millimeters. It's not a LOT of shift. Look at the left bottom edge of Mini bezel vs. the bottom edge of MBpro bezel in the picture. It seems like that is as little as only a few millimeters.

So why not? That's rhetorical because only Apple knows.

The iPad mini is also thicker than the top case of the new MacBook Pros.
 
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Anyone else notice that NONE of these early review(er)s got a base 14" model with the M1 Pro 8c/14gpu????

I'm suspicious...
Just like car manufacturers, Apple tends to always give a mid-high to high tier configuration to their reviewers. This should come as a surprise to no one that people waiting for reviews of lower spec models are going to have to wait a bit until other reviewers receive the units they purchased themselves.
 
The iPad mini is also thicker than the top case of the new MacBook Pros.

Yes, I know. That's the comeback every time.

iPad has the WHOLE computer inside and the WHOLE battery and a 4K camera on the backside. So yes, they are thicker because ALL of it is in one case... even keyboard ;)

For this to actually be THE reason, iPad thickness needs to be driven by a 1080p module needing that much depth to function. Let's assume it does. Then how is there a 1080p module in this thin lid of these new MBpro screens? It's not like the MBpro lid gets (iPad) thicker to accommodate an iPad 1080p camera module in that spot. My guess is that it is the SAME camera module, but iFixit may confirm or deny that soon.

So, if Apple can "fit" a 1080p FaceTime camera where it is, why not fit the very same module a few millimeters higher just like they do for iPads? And if so, do they still need the notch? To say yes for the future Face ID stuff, I'll again point to the Apple iPad Pro with FaceID... all fitting in the same thin, notch-less bezel.
 
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That CNET quote is way off. HDMI is no where near becoming a legacy port. Apple’s walled garden aside, it’s one of the most common ports in existence for external displays. That kind of ubiquity is why it deserves to be on a pro machine.

A shame it’s not a 2.1 port though.
Ritchie had a reasonable explanation for that. Apple had to choose between 3 thunderbolt ports and less than top spec hdmi/sd slot versus dropping a thunderbolt port
 
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She is only successful due to her looks. Sorry to say. Her reviews are annoying and so shallow. I don't get her popularity after the initial feast for your eyes. lol
most Nerds and tech enthusiasts will watch a blonde chick play with electronics. o_O

I wonder how many of her viewers watch her videos muted?
 
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Just like car manufacturers, Apple tends to always give a mid-high to high tier configuration to their reviewers. This should come as a surprise to no one that people waiting for reviews of lower spec models are going to have to wait a bit until other reviewers receive the units they purchased themselves.
Another user pointed out that iJustine posted a video with the base 14".

Yeah Apple does have a record of only giving mid-high spec to reviewers.

The base 14" is the ignored middle child that is the "jack of all trades but a master of none"
 
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