That is a sign that the app needs an update to factor in the notch.
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From a 15” rMBP 2012, I moved to a Dell XPS in 2017, with an entirely different OS and ecosystem, specifically because of the Touch Bar.
I’m glad to see that functional and aesthetic regression gone personally.
Someone posted this on Macrumors. This is what I was talking about.
Now Apple is covering this up with a scale for the menubar kind of feature.
I am saying again just like a touch bar, the notch is a bad design.
Apple already included workaround for MacBook Pro notch | AppleInsider
Even before some vocal users complained about the notch in the new 14-inch MacBook Pro and revised 16-inch MacBook Pro, Apple built in a workaround for them.
Evidently that app needs an update to display properly. Not sure why the OS isn't controlling that.
Someone posted this on Macrumors. This is what I was talking about.
Now Apple is covering this up with a scale for the menubar kind of feature.
I am saying again just like a touch bar, the notch is a bad design.
Oh, I agree.
However, I was speaking more from the point of view that if Apple wanted to go back in time, they should have put an USB-A port for all those people that still have only a "single use" USB-A, not a dual use with both USB-A and USB-C.
Nonetheless, I must assume now all the people how complained about dongles are happy. They no longer need to carry anything in the cases other than the proprietary MagSafe and the power brick. No more dongles...
Well why would you need to Cary the powerbrik or mgsafe? Mgsafe is usb c.
And apple didn’t go back in time. HDMI is a modern standard that won’t be replaced, SD card reader are equally not going to be replaced in a long time as well. USB A is replaced by USB C
Well, it is not the latest version of HDMI....And in my experience, I have not had to carry HDMI or other as all rooms I have had a plethora of cables and adapter for presentation.
As for USB-A the gnashing of teeth in the forums at the loss of USB-A in favour of USB-C was ear shattering. So, I thought Apple would have acquiesced and included an USB-A.
My apologies, I don't understand your comment about MagSafe is USB-C. It is a separate port, at the loss of one of the very valuable USBC-C.... And perhaps I wasn't clear - if one uses a USB-C to charge, then the laptop is down to two useful ports.....
Sure it’s not HDMI 2.1 but it already supports 4K 60hz. And now with a dedicated port I no longer need a dongle or adapter.
USB A can always be replaced by a cable with usb C in one end and typ A in the other end.
Mgsafe did not replace a usb C port. HDMI/SD card Port did it.
And why would you charge with usb C and not use a thunderbolt hub/monitor instead of Mgsafe? Mgsafe can be connected to any usb c port with power delivery
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I think what folks might be missing with the whole “why’d they trade a thunderbolt port for X Y or Z” is that there are a limited number of lanes that a CPU or SoC can supply for data. It seems probable that the M1 pro may not have had enough lanes to handle 4 thunderbolt 4 ports at full speed with the additional demands like SSD and display. Already the M1 couldn’t handle more than one external display. Doesn’t it seem likely that the compromise was if they couldn’t do 4 thunderbolt ports, they could take the remaining lanes and use them in ports with lower data requirements, like HDMI and SD? Why they chose HDMI 2.0 may be the same issue: 2.1 requires too much in the way of lanes to the SoC.
In reality, that didn't happen either. Apple went from 4 ports on 2 controllers to 3 ports on 3 controllers. Bandwidth even with a 4th USB-C Port would still be higher than the outgoing MBP's. Apple chose not to include 4 USB-C for whatever their own reasons are.
That to. I believe it’s likely just not able to provide 4 individual thunderbolt4 ports with 40Gbps output/input duplex
The last MBP had to share 80Gbps bandwidth on 4 ports. And instead have a HDMI 2.0 and SD card reader with full speed available instead of limiting it.
Thank you for explaining. So in some ways, it is similar to effectively throttling. In my simple way of thinking about it.
So, in the end, from a customer satisfaction standpoint in the great Biblical proportions debate of "dongles", those who were unhappy with no HDMI and card slot are happy, and those who made great flexible use of the TB's will be dissatisfied until the next revision.
I have now seen the light.
I’m not sure I would call it throttling. What I’m suggesting, and it may be totally wrong, is that the way the m1pro/max chip was made, they made enough data lanes to support maybe 4 thunderbolt 4 ports total, for example. That sounds good. But just like with old MacBook pros, there was always a USB port that was faster than the other, I can’t remember which was which. That was because internal to the machine, one of the USB busses was already handling the camera and the keyboard. So maybe these new machines are similar: they have enough bandwidth to run 3 thunderbolt 4 ports and full speed, and the 4th potential thunderbolt port is shared between the keyboard, the camera, the hdmi, the SD, etc. So even if they physically put in a fourth Thunderbolt 4 port, it would never run at full tb4 speed. I could be totally wrong though, this is just a guess.
Its not throttling in any interpretation of the world. It’s not effectively. It’s by definition not.
The M1 max have an over clocking button. Or would you say any processor not running at 10Ghz with liquid nitrogen cooling and at max theoretical speeds are throttled…
And the most stupid part is people don’t realize the old MBP hat two thunderbolt controllers sharing data over 4 ports, effectively granting only two ports with full speed.
No, I realised that.
But at least I received the benefit of versatility. It just seems that the compromise from at least two ports to one dedicated video port is even more limiting. Yes, throttling was the incorrect term, but it was meant to impart limited use of ports when compared to having 4 . . .
I think the point is that due to the design of the chip, 4 full-speed thunderbolt 4 ports was never an option, HDMI or no. Speed would have been compromised even if the physical port was there.
The old 4 ports only had 80Gbps/4 ports.
These new ones have 120Gbps/3 ports.
Plus a full speed HDMI 2.0 port
Yes, all well and true. Don't deny.
However, my main point was, if for example, I don't want to use the MagSafe as others around me are using USB-C charging (our Dell XPS's we purchased due to the terrible quality of the late 2016 customs MBP's), then I am down to 2 useful ports.....I am just a proponent of versatility and adaptability rather than a fixed solution decided by someone else.
But, given that you can use MagSafe, and the cable is (finally) detachable, why wouldn’t you? Just plug the cable into whatever charger you’ve got at the office, and you get your TB4 port back. So back to 3.
Well, just easier when out and about to use a cable that everyone might need as opposed to a proprietary single use cable.
In the end, despite the loss of versatility, and the item that sticks out as much things of a male dog, trying to be polite, and yes, have stared at a screen for 30 minutes, we will still upgrade. However, not with the same enthusiasm of years pre 2016. And others on the team will remain with XPS.
Well… you Can just use a thunderbolt dock/ monitor and get power from there solving your entire problem.
And you are missing an important part.
The old MacBook Pro had only 80Gbps divided on all ports.
80/3= 26Gbps or 20Gbps if you use a dock.
The new MacBook Pro have 120Ggps or 40Gbps available for every port. The Mgsafe did not take any port from you.
Hmmmm. I think we are having a failure to communicate, to quote "Cool Hand Luke".
I am not worried about the office: it is when "out and about", that is when I, and often others, are not at our office. Rather in a coffee shop, or in a meeting room where for the past 10 years I have never worried about having a dongle for a display...Heck if I am in the office, I type on one of my original 1987 - 1989 IBM M keyboards.....
So, and correct me if my math is wrong, there are three ports to begin with. IF I use one for charging (not the MagSafe), that leaves two, one less than my current MBP if I am charging.
Yet, in the end, it continues to be for me, and I am certain others, about the loss of versatility by having dedicated ports for video out, card readers and MagSafe. As I wrote elsewhere, at first in 2016 with the then new MBP, I was unhappy at the loss of MagSafe, but since then have come to appreciate the versatility. And given the speed bump at the time, I have not had issues with speed of ports - it will always be faster than the last iteration, and we had no complaints.