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By the way, does anyone have any definite information regarding the number of cores in these news macbook pros?

From my understanding, the Intel press release concerning the Sandy Bridge stated that all SB processors coming out this month are 4 core while the 2 core processors are coming out in a few months.

Could you imagine if the new 13" mbp had a 4 core I5. That would be too sweet.

2 cores. The 2 core chips are already shipping.
 
I went over the bench marks of multiple sites and they all indicated a 3-6 fps drop with the GPU change. :mad:

How could there be benchmarks featuring the sandy bridge processors when there are no processors available yet? From what I read of benchmarks, those were benchmarking the HD3000 on the last generation of Core I5/I7 processors which actually had the HD3000 as a separate chip on the motherboard as opposed to actually being part of the CPU.
 
Don't knock those graphics. They are faster then your 320m in that Air of yours.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Intel-HD-Graphics-3000-graphics-solution.43710.0.html

Not really. As has been explained a bunch of times, in lower-detail tests (i.e. those more dependent on the CPU than the IGP) the Sandy Bridge wins because the processor is faster. On higher detail tests, the 320M outperforms the Intel HD graphics. Also, the Sandy Bridge chip decodes OpenCL code using the CPU, while the Core 2 Duo/320m setup offloads it onto the IGP. Lion supposedly makes heavier use of OpenCL, so we Air users may see a boost at that time.
 
We don't know if it's actually worse. We're all well aware of Apple's relationship with Intel. Chances are it's a proprietary GPU designed by Intel specifically for the MBP. With Apple's recent move toward gaming on their iOS devices, I don't see them taking a step back when it comes to the GPU. Of course, we will all know what the benchmarks are once these get into the hands of the public. My guess is that the Intel integrated outperforms the GeForce.


I highly doubt it. Its an on-die CPU/GPU and every customization of such tightly integrated system is very hard/expensive to do. I could imagine an on-package (but separate die) custom system, but an one-die one? Very unlikely.

Still, its possible that the Intel OpenGL drivers are actually useable this time :)


Anyway, why does no one seems to discuss the possibility that the leaked fotos are actually of MacBook (non Pro) 13" and the MacBook Pro 13" could in fact have higher resolution/on-board SSD and all the goodies?
 
Can't believe people are getting excited over a connection technology. Did you get a hard on for firewire? Calling it a game changer is OTT and I despise the word btw, only delusional noobs use it.

An analogy would be hey guys we built a new autobahn that stretches across america and the speed limit is 10,000 mph wahey, except hardly any cars can pass 200mph.
 
My question is....

How much can i sell my 2010 13" MBP base model for??

Anyone have any suggestions?? :D
 
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dlewis23 said:
Intel HD graphics?! HDD?! 800p!?

fail.

I'll stick to my MacBook Air thanks.

Don't knock those graphics. They are faster then your 320m in that Air of yours.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Intel-HD-Graphics-3000-graphics-solution.43710.0.html

You realize they used a quadcore CPU in those benchmarks right?... It's integrated so the CPU carries a some of the weight off the gpu
 
Also, the Sandy Bridge chip decodes OpenCL code using the CPU, while the Core 2 Duo/320m setup offloads it onto the IGP. Lion supposedly makes heavier use of OpenCL, so we Air users may see a boost at that time.

not really. the air is _much_ slower than a macbook pro with core i5.
 
Not really. As has been explained a bunch of times, in lower-detail tests (i.e. those more dependent on the CPU than the IGP) the Sandy Bridge wins because the processor is faster. On higher detail tests, the 320M outperforms the Intel HD graphics. Also, the Sandy Bridge chip decodes OpenCL code using the CPU, while the Core 2 Duo/320m setup offloads it onto the IGP. Lion supposedly makes heavier use of OpenCL, so we Air users may see a boost at that time.

I agree with this, but in regards to the Air: It does seem to clock its 320m lower than on the MBP's. (and the 11" even lower than the 13"), there was a difference in performance even in the GPU-specific benchmarks in Anandtech.

So I wouldn't be surprised if the HD3000 in the MBP beats the 11" Air at some GPU-specific tasks.
 
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Thunderbolt it suposed to also support the mini display and data transfer all in one port and all go through one cable
 
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rickjs said:
Okay so I just made an account here on these forums to say what I felt like I needed to say. Okay so for one, that foil means nothing. It doesn't make it a fake. It could just protective plastic.

Secondly, for the people that are complaining about the Intel HD graphics being a STEP-DOWN from what you already have, the new Intel Sandy Bridge architecture brings with it an updated version of Intel HD. Basically all this means is, they SERIOUSLY improved their integrated stuff. In fact, it beats out a AMD Radeon HD5450 and can beat out the 320m and 330m built into the pros some of the time.

Sources:

http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/8/30/sandy-bridge-gpu-beats-radeon-hd-5450/
http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/har...d3000-built-gpu-about-good-radeon-hd5450.html
http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...=the-sandy-bridge-preview-three-wins-in-a-row

Read your sources again

"The base speed and the turbo boost speed of the HD Graphics 3000 depend on the processor"
"Our performance tests with the high clocked mainstream version of the HD Graphics 3000 in quad-core processors showed a performance level on par with the current entry level generations from NVIDIA (e.g. GeForce 310M) and AMD (HD 5450)."

MBP is not getting a quad core, so don't expect on-par performance...
 
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GekkePrutser said:
Looks like plastic with metallic silver paint. :p. Im calling fake on these!!

I think the added gloss is just from the foil wrapper still being on it, just like with the German pictures.

Or maybe instead of the white plastic on the MacBooks at $999 they are going to use this silver metallic plastic...? I took pictures of my MBA when I got it with the plastic on and it didn't look like this! :p
 
How could there be benchmarks featuring the sandy bridge processors when there are no processors available yet? From what I read of benchmarks, those were benchmarking the HD3000 on the last generation of Core I5/I7 processors which actually had the HD3000 as a separate chip on the motherboard as opposed to actually being part of the CPU.

uhm... sandy bridge CPUs are selling for quite some time now ;)

P.S. As far as I know there is no HD3000 as "separate chip", only as part of the SB CPU.
 
Why do all these spy pics have the foil still on the laptops? This one seems to have it on too (due to the high reflection off the top lid)

Because the pics are probably from a store's back room and the MBP on the pics will be sold on friday/thursday?
 
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You realize they used a quadcore CPU in those benchmarks right?... It's integrated so the CPU carries a some of the weight off the gpu

You do realize the hd3000 wasn't integrated onto the cpu during those tests but was its own actual chip. The sandy bridge is the first gen CPU to feature the GPU built into the CPU sharing the Level 3 memory. Also you have to consider the improved FSB speeds for accessing the ram will have a benefit for the new MBP's.
 
$999: 11" MBA (replaces white macbook)

$1099: MBP 13" i5 (The one in this thread)

$1399: MBP 13" (The one you really want... faster i5, increased display rez, etc.)

BTO option for the 13" will be for matte screen. (+ $100?)

I think all MBP13" have the 16gb SSD for the OS. (It's hard to describe that on the box).

Excellent point on the last item, Richard. Just looking at these specs as a marketing copywriter, I wondered how in the world you could describe the OS SSD in the specs. More likely there is another line of text elsewhere with benefits (whereas this is features) like "instant on" or something.

Also, if some of these photos are from Germany, perhaps Apple does include Intel logos on their German boxes or decided to for marketing purposes. Markets are different. A box is an easy change.

All in all, to me the leaked info looks like a good entry level machine and a good deal in the ballpark of $1k. :apple:
 
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