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Slightly off topic: How hard is it to put an SSD into these unibody Macbooks?

Not hard at all. There's numerous YouTube vids that show the step-by-step process of installing a SSD. Should take the average person no more than 10 mins.
 
The only thing that I find fishy about those specs is the 1280 - 800 display. Once the Airs were endowed with higher resolution displays, I was sure that all future MBP would have the same.
 
Then by all means, go and complain on a Lenovo or HP forum.

One of these days some of you guys are going to realize a few things:

1. Apple has absolutely no intention of competing in the low-end price market. The profit margins suck and it's simply not where they want to be in the market. Jobs' comments disparaging netbooks had nothing to do with their size and everything to do with their price point.

2. There's more to a laptop than hardware specs. My MBP is well built and has a lot of features that I'll gladly take in place of beefed up video—the trackpad being chief among them. My laptop is my work machine so the usefulness of a GOOD mobile I/O device is 100s of times more important than playing Crysis on my laptop. (Having a good OS is also a big bonus.)

If you guys want Lenovos and Toshibas and Dells... get them. Please. Get them now. Go to their forums and rumor sites. Please. Do it. Stop trolling this board with your little frowny faces acting like Apple has personally robbed you. You're not entitled to the computer you want at the price point you want.

I've been paying the "Apple Tax" since 2005 (excluding my IIgs from back in the day) and would have gladly paid it for the OS and decent font rendering alone.
I do not buy anything. No one has made a worthy product.
 
Can we stop using underpowered when the correct phrase would be adequately powered?

It's all relative. With these specs, MBP is adequately powered for many users but it is definitely underpowered against the competition (even the much less costly one).
 
YOu're exaggerating again.

An i5 machine is hardly underpowered. And you don't even know everything about the new MBP yet.

I just think you wanted the impossible. A big dedicatedgpu, lots of battery life and a large SSD on top of the i5 and all for only ~$200 more than a refurb 2010 model.

Please read what I wrote, the CPU is a big leap forward but it's certainly not the only thing that makes a machine powerful...

Maybe my expectations were too high but I didn't think they were unrealistic:
-Big CPU bump with Sandy Bridge (that was obvious)
-At least minor GPU bump (HD 3000 graphics are a joke)
-Increased resolution to catch up with the air

As far as SSD goes, I always planned to get an aftermarket one, although I must admit that the rumors about a small integrated SSD for the OS were nice...

Is that really too much to ask for?
 
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Is it just me...ThunderBolt? This sounds like someone was drunk/high watching cartoons. Maybe they got stuck on thunder cats. Who knows.

And on that note maybe Apple are taking a slightly different direction given that they're running out of wild beasts to name their OS releases.

So look forward to Mac OSX Lion-o, Panthro, Cheetara, Wily-kit, Wily-Kat, Battlecat, etc.

If thats the case I cant wait for Mac OS X Mummraaa-the-ever-living!
 
The only thing that I find fishy about those specs is the 1280 - 800 display. Once the Airs were endowed with higher resolution displays, I was sure that all future MBP would have the same.

This is the low end model, supposedly anyway. As such it's also the least interesting model. I suspect (and hope) that with the rumored death of the white MacBook this model replaces it and remains their sort of all-in-one model with an optical drive and all that and that Apple actually does something to differentiate the two 13" models. We'll see.

There's a part of me that hopes there's no resolution bump for the 13" model. If that's the case I won't be temped to upgrade this generation!
 
I've really got to stop coming to these forums. The useful information and insight/whining ratio tips more and more in favor of the latter with the passage of time.

Yep it is getting more difficult to be here.

Too many haters. Too many whiners. Too many nitpickers. Too many spec peepers.

I too noticed the MR readership has changed. The IQ/maturity level has dropped quite a bit.
 
I've really got to stop coming to these forums. The useful information and insight/whining ratio tips more and more in favor of the latter with the passage of time.

Light Peak/Thunderbolt is huge. This is a big step toward one port to rule them all. This is also the closest thing we've had to a docking station in a long time. I'm sure there will be some kind of hub device that I plug my monitor, USB, Firewire and even network into and it plugs into that one port. Too bad it doesn't deliver power too.

If the rumors about the white MacBook going away are true and this is the low end model, can we at least save the "I'm buying a PC!" comments until tomorrow. Frankly, I wish you guys would just buy your PCs and stop trolling this forum.

The i5 is surprise since everyone was saying i3 for the low end model. (Which wouldn't have been any real improvement over a C2D.)

The optical drive is still there which is a bit of a bummer and I look forward to seeing if they manage to get dedicated video in the higher end 13" model as well as if any of the rumors of a resolution bump are true. It looks like this update won't be quite enough to get me to replace my last generation model and the market for Thunderbolt devices/hubs/adapters/whatever has some time to grow.

I also don't know that I have any interest in these first-gen chipsets.

The problem with this leaked configuration is that on the whole it doesn't really make sense - it's lopsided and unbalanced. Think about it: the CPU would be a huge (and unexpected) step up, but the IGP is laughable. Thunderbolt could be amazing, as you point out, but the fast I/O is counterbalanced by laughably slow internal storage (where are the rumored SSDs?). And the screen - my God, the screen! 1280x800 on 13 inches just doesn't make sense, especially if you consider the fact that the MBAs BOTH have higher resolution.

So yeah. These specs are strange, to say the least: bold and surprising in some places (CPU and Thunderbolt), incredibly underwhelming and confusing in others (HDD, ODD still there, screen). The only way they make sense to me is if I think of this machine as a new entry-level $999 Macbook. Everything else sounds crazy.
 
Obviously, Apple can easily do it :) and I am sure there will be MBP models with SSDs. Apple is not suicidal.

No doubt, but the current Macbooks require a $350 upcharge for a 128 GB SSD on top of the cost of the 250GB HDD. A good 128 GB SSD only costs about $200-250 on newegg.
 
It's all relative. With these specs, MBP is adequately powered for many users but it is definitely underpowered against the competition (even the much less costly one).

If you want bigger, faster, better components then you'll have to forget about Apple and go with a Windows machine. Anyone constantly comparing Apple systems specs and price against Windows systems is just torturing themselves needlessly.
 
And on that note maybe Apple are taking a slightly different direction given that they're running out of wild beasts to name their OS releases.

So look forward to Mac OSX Lion-o, Panthro, Cheetara, Wily-kit, Wily-Kat, Battlecat, etc.

If thats the case I cant wait for Mac OS X Mummraaa-the-ever-living!

haha I'd wait for OSX Snarf!
 
Slightly off topic: How hard is it to put an SSD into these unibody Macbooks?

Easy take off back panel with small screwdriver then the hdd is right there. Two more screws holding down the hdd. Then unplug sata connector 4 torx screws need to be transferred from old to new ssd. T6 I think, reverse and restore drive contents. No more than 10min. I've done his several times. Who needs ssd option when u can source your own if you want to save money.
 
OK, so we have the specs on what's rumored as the entry level 13 Pro. And yes, I agree it's the "Pro". Apple is not going to get rid of the white case. It just sells too well.

Where are all the specs on all the other models? I myself want to see the specs for the upgraded 13 Pro and I know it's killing the people that are in the market for the 15 and 17 models. :eek:
 
Yep it is getting more difficult to be here.

Too many haters. Too many whiners. Too many nitpickers. Too many spec peepers.

I too noticed the MR readership has changed. The IQ/maturity level has dropped quite a bit.

The popularity of iOS devices has brought a new wave of readers in
 
Easy take off back panel with small screwdriver then the hdd is right there. Two more screws holding down the hdd. Then unplug sata connector 4 torx screws need to be transferred from old to new ssd. T6 I think, reverse and restore drive contents. No more than 10min. I've done his several times. Who needs ssd option when u can source your own if you want to save money.

Doesn't that void the warranty?
 
Starting at US$1049 for now on the 15 inch one. The XPS 17 does dip lower but you start off with the Core i5 2410M at 2.3 GHz for $899. It is the display they are selling you on that model.

I wonder what the "Better" 13" Macbook model will be like. New processors and a combo port are not all that interesting compared to some of the other rumors.

HP and Lenovo still have to bring their dual-core Sandy Bridge lineup onto the field as well. Though entry quad core OEM the Core i7 2630QM is making a very strong showing and it does price very favorably against dual core processors. (~$300 or even less.) Quad core notebooks starting at US$900 (or less...) are going to be much more common with Sandy Bridge and with fewer limitations given the transition to 32nm and the onboard IGP.

Quad cores with 16GB RAM as an option built into machines like the Dell M6500 will come down in price (hopefully) with cheaper quad cores and more abundant 8GB DIMMS.

I hope to see Apple at least offer us a quad core mobile CPU based iMac for that sweet spot $1700. I don't think we'll see too much action on the mobile Mac side when it comes to quad core chips no matter how inexpensive.

Noooooooooooooo~~~~

SSD didn't make it~~~~~~~~

:~~~~~~~~~~~

CTO will be your best bet. :D
 
The problem with this leaked configuration is that on the whole it doesn't really make sense - it's lopsided and unbalanced. Think about it: the CPU would be a huge (and unexpected) step up, but the IGP is laughable. Thunderbolt could be amazing, as you point out, but the fast I/O is counterbalanced by laughably slow internal storage (where are the rumored SSDs?). And the screen - my God, the screen! 1280x800 on 13 inches just doesn't make sense, especially if you consider the fact that the MBAs BOTH have higher resolution.

So yeah. These specs are strange, to say the least: bold and surprising in some places (CPU and Thunderbolt), incredibly underwhelming and confusing in others (HDD, ODD still there, screen). The only way they make sense to me is if I think of this machine as a new entry-level $999 Macbook. Everything else sounds crazy.

All the rumors indicate that it is the MacBook replacement and in a sense I believe this is going to be the sort of bastard child of the line up with no real identity this release cycle. There always seems to be one.

Thunderbolt is not terribly interesting as an I/O device to dump to your hard drive. Sure, it's fast and it'll be nice not to be restricted to Firewire 800 anymore. Thunderbolt is all about expansion. I can finally have a SATA connector on my 13" laptop via Thunderbolt. What's better is that on a single hub I can have: wired network, USB, SATA, Firewire, sound and display.
 
OK, so we have the specs on what's rumored as the entry level 13 Pro. And yes, I agree it's the "Pro". Apple is not going to get rid of the white case. It just sells too well.

Where are all the specs on all the other models? I myself want to see the specs for the upgraded 13 Pro and I know it's killing the people that are in the market for the 15 and 17 models. :eek:

:lol: i cant think of a single person with a white mb. maybe the black one because its different, but most just pony up the extra 200€ ... it's only about 20% more and gets the backlit keyboard and more durability.
 
No doubt, but the current Macbooks require a $350 upcharge for a 128 GB SSD on top of the cost of the 250GB HDD. A good 128 GB SSD only costs about $200-250 on newegg.

I think that's going to change. SSDs will be a less expensive upgrade, perhaps to the price levels of third party solutions. With the current configuration, it makes no sense to purchase an Apple SSD upgrade.
 
Slightly off topic: How hard is it to put an SSD into these unibody Macbooks?

It mainly depends on the screws fully; if they're pentalolubar you might have minimum trouble finding a screwdriver (ifixit has one I think). After that, the board should be at your complete disposition. :rolleyes:
 
The only way they make sense to me is if I think of this machine as a new entry-level $999 Macbook. Everything else sounds crazy.

This right here. Next model up will get the higher res and possibly SSD by default.
 
Please read what I wrote, the CPU is a big leap forward but it's certainly not the only thing that makes a machine powerful...

Maybe my expectations were too high but I didn't think they were unrealistic:
-Big CPU bump with Sandy Bridge (that was obvious)
-At least minor GPU bump (HD 3000 graphics are a joke)
-Increased resolution to catch up with the air

As far as SSD goes, I always planned to get an aftermarket one, although I must admit that the rumors about a small integrated SSD for the OS were nice...

Is that really too much to ask for?
Yes, the first and second bullets on your list are mutually exclusive in the 13" unless you want to sacrifice battery life by using a much smaller battery. The 13" does not have room for dedicated graphics and an i5. Which means you can have a C2D + Nvidia graphics or an i5 with HD 3000 graphics.

The Sony Viao S series essentially has what you are looking for in a 13" form factor, but they had to sacrifice battery. It has a 7 hr specified battery life where the MBP has 12 hrs.

If you need better graphics from Apple you can get a 15" or get desktop for gaming.
 
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