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MacBook Pro Speed Bump

I really like the glossy screen if there's nothing glaring behind you to reflect. Not sure which I'd choose, but the option is nice to have.

Here's hoping for a 13.3" MacBook Pro!

Or better yet, 10" MacBook Thin with a real GPU :) (Let me dream.)
 
The timing on this couldn't be better -- I'm planning to get my MBP in the next couple weeks!

Non-shiny screen, of course.
 
My replacement 17" hadn't gone into production yet so I was able to change the screen to the glossy version. It works better for my needs ...

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Price Drop on Refurb Pros

FYI, refurbished macbook pros have dropped $100 in price, now starting at $1599. Reason to go pro?
 
bbrosemer said:
The original MBP's werent glossy screen right...?
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That is correct.

Whether or not the glossy screen is "bad" is one thing, however I think the whole thing here is that Apple should have made it an option for the MacBook just as they have done for the MacBook Pro. Would that have been that hard to do?
 
mozmac said:
I know Apple has come up with "creative" ways of right-clicking. However, when you have a 55 year old millionaire who has finally learned how to use PowerPoint and Outlook, switching to a new computer is scary enough, without having to be told, "Okay, to right-click, you hold both fingers down and then click." Why does Apple insist on spending precious R&D money coming up with new ways of right clicking? How about putting a right mouse button and there and then everyone knows how to do it and you can go on to invent something else cool?

Thanks for pointing out the double-finger right-click, but, it's not acceptible for Apple to think that it's a replacement for a right mouse button.
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it's not a replacement - apple has never had right click buttons on any of their devices. their implementation of dual mode input is really quite brilliant. learned behavior such as your 55 year-old millionaire doesn't mean it's better or it should be done. yes, it's a pain having to unlearn a poor, but comfortable convention, but such is the price of progress.

1) right-click is a secondary user interaction used far less than primary click.
2) it's an advanced level feature. a large majority of people don't use the right-click menu (watch a usability study and you'll see).
 
nagromme said:
I really like the glossy screen if there's nothing glaring behind you to reflect. Not sure which I'd choose, but the option is nice to have.

Here's hoping for a 13.3" MacBook Pro!
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Well - let's hope it still has the option of a non-glossy screen.

As Diatribe has been emphasising - glossy screens SUCK. What exactly do you like about it Nagromme?

My lab mate has a Dell with a glossy screeen, and most of the time it's impossible to view things on her screen when she shows me them - the background reflection of myself+the room is too distracting.

In comparison, my Powerbook screen looks less bright - but still ends up being far more USABLE.

And for those using a laptop in a dark room? Well, IMO, this is NOT good for your health. LCD's have too much contrast, causing eye strain. It is best to have the display at a similar brightness level to the environment around it - only possible if you don't have a glossy/reflective coating.
 
Sorry I mispoke entirely my fault.

longofest said:
You mean ATI... MacBook Pro's use ATI X1600
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Sorry I mispoke entirely my fault. :( O yes and also please someone tell me if there MBP's have been arriving faster than the estimated delievery becasue i neeeeeeed mine before June 1st....
 
BugSitter said:
FYI, refurbished macbook pros have dropped $100 in price, now starting at $1599. Reason to go pro?
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I wouldn't consider a 15" Pro until the heat and whine issues have been dealt with.
 
dashiel said:
2) it's an advanced level feature. a large majority of people don't use the right-click menu (watch a usability study and you'll see).
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That's always been my thought too.

Apple doesn't stuff a gazillion commands on the right-click menus.
 
huh?

icecavern said:
The track pad does a right click... Put 2 fingers on the pad and click and it does a right click. It's quite cool actually.
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Is this something new for the Macbook Pros?

I have the last generation G4 Powerbook (12") with OSX 10.4.6. Two finger scroll works, but not right click as you described.

Is there some setup operation that needs to be performed to get this to work?
 
Glossy = Horrible

There is a PC here at work with a "glossy" screen, I can never see anything but myself, very useless :confused:

Wonder why you can't get the black in the low end model??
 
Any saying the UK prices have gone you need to look again the MBP prices went DOWN and the spec went UP.

Also dont think Apple will swap your "old" MBP for new ones even when sent for repair. They dont do it with iPods they wont with Pro laptops.
 
dashiel said:
2) it's an advanced level feature. a large majority of people don't use the right-click menu (watch a usability study and you'll see).
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Oh man, though once they figure out how to use it it's just painful to watch. It's overused, really. People should just learn how to use the keyboard instead. It's faster, too.
 
I wonder what kind of material the case is... ibook plastic again?

Edit > shoulda double checked before replying about the glossy :)
 
bowzer said:
Uhh... what are you talking about. The default order option is a matte screen. You have the choice of glossy or normal.
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I think on the regular Macbook (iBook replacement) there is no option. You get the glossy screen by default. Only on the MBP is there an option.
 
dibble9012 said:
Ok, My replacement MBP order was changed, but what actually got changed? lol, maybe a model without whine, with right click? what does "no Optional SW" mean in the top order?
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I think it would've been a 2GHz model before, wouldn't it? Whereas now it will come with a 2.16GHz Core Duo? :)
 
kkapoor said:
You get the glossy screen by default. Only on the MBP is there an option.
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Correct.

I think people should at least look at the glossy screen in real life before condemning it, too.

I find it hard to beleive Apple would make this screen standard on a high volume model without doing some real world useability testing (outdoors/bright light).
 
Garissimo said:
Is this something new for the Macbook Pros?

I have the last generation G4 Powerbook (12") with OSX 10.4.6. Two finger scroll works, but not right click as you described.

Is there some setup operation that needs to be performed to get this to work?
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AFAIK, only the 17" MBP has this feature now. Never found it on my 15", although it'll undoubtably be added in some update in the near future. :)
 
netmonkey said:
Oh man, though once they figure out how to use it it's just painful to watch. It's overused, really. People should just learn how to use the keyboard instead. It's faster, too.
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I would agree, at least partly, but keyboard accessibility is very poor and inconsistent on the mac, even with the extra options turned on. Whether using the mouse or keyboard on a powerbook/macbook, it's cluncky. The lack of real keys for page up/down doesn't help either.

I've used OSX since it came out and I have to say, the best accessory I have is my logitech mouse - left, right, middle, scroll, forward, back, and three expose functions, all without feeling cluncky or unstylish - if anything, OSX is able to take more advantage of multiple mouse buttons than windows. I never can find anything useful to map those other three buttons to on windows, but with expose it makes navigation wonderfully efficient.

Also, in firefox and safari I use middle click more than any other button, right click next most, and left click the least. Plus I am an active terminal/X user and middle click is paste. The apple laptops don't provide a clean solution for that. If there were just two buttons (and it's not like there isn't plenty of room), it would solve both problems, just like every laptop I have ever owned. Like the mighty mouse, it will happen, but jobs is one stubborn dude.
 
Garissimo said:
I think people should at least look at the glossy screen in real life before condemning it, too.
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true...

Garissimo said:
I find it hard to beleive Apple would make this screen standard on a high volume model without doing some real world useability testing (outdoors/bright light).
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but this is what almost every other PC laptop maker has done. GLOSSY sells units, whether they are ultimately useable or not, is another matter.
 
icecavern said:
I hope they don't bump the specs and lower prices every other week...:eek:
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I guess we'll have to wait and see. This is new territory for Apple and us. I imagine it will be a hard line to balance: making customers feel like their investment is still current vs. pleasing those who demand higher performance NOW.

Mitch1984 said:
Just because Apple are speed bumping every 3 months doesn't mean that you machine won't still last 3 to 3.5 years from when it came out.
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I think this may be one of the best statements made in this thread. I think we sometimes get so caught up in the next big thing that we forget how long we can actually use our Macs and get really good performance out of them.

I was just thinking the other day about how many years I hung on to an old Performa model from 1995 (which had received a top five worst Mac ever nod last week). If it weren't for me wanting to play games like COD at the best speeds possible, I'd probably still have my G4 MDD from 3-4 years ago.
 
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