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And OSX users can't read exFAT volumes - the portable option for large files/drives.

That is as per your usual posting habits a garbage post. Nice plug though for MS.

As per wikipedia:

The first SDXCs being released are governed by an SD 3.0 specification (which also still specifies FAT32 and thus lower capacities), whereas higher capacity and faster SDXCs are expected to follow an SD 4.0 specification, which is due to be released in spring of 2010.(...) The SDcard association selected Microsoft's proprietary exFAT file system in the official SDXC specification;[32][33][34] however, as with SD and SDHC, it is still a plain block device and thus arbitrary partitioning and other filesystems can be used, such as FAT32, NTFS, ext2, etc.

You can easily format in ext2 which has widely available drivers for both OS X and Windows and be done with it.
 
the last update was in June 2009. that is NOT that long.

Perhaps what you meant to ask was about the Mac Pro. THAT has had a 'prolonged wait'

MBPs sell wayyyy more than MPs though. And at least the Mac Pro's have had extra configuration options (GPUs, CPU, HDD, RAM) added along the way to keep some interest up.

The MacBook Pros by comparison have really been left to stagnate. Months after competitors have their 2010 fleet out, Apple have been happy to sit back and offer nothing to sweeten the deal. This leaves a lot of butthurt customers sitting on money, but Apple know we'll wait, cos we're suckers...
 
Oh yea, please Steve, add a Blu-Ray player to the new MBPs.

wants to sell movies via itunes
has not updated iDVD or DVD Studio Pro in ages
has gone on record that physical media is, in his opinion, old tech
hasn't put any software to play Blu-ray via an external in the OS
hasn't given even an option to order a Pro tower (which would be the likely machine if you were editing movies of that level) with a built in blu-ray

nope, don't see it happening any time soon if at all.

that reality is part of why I don't mind paying an extra $5 for those combo packs. Blu-ray for me, dvd for the nieces and nephews and a digital copy for the laptop/ipad
 
Blu-ray for me, dvd for the nieces and nephews and a digital copy for the laptop/ipad

No chance will that digital copy work with anything Apple straight out of the box, as I found with the Pineapple Express Blu-Ray+digital copy.. nothing more frustrating than the assumption everyone's on Windows!
 
You can easily format in ext2 which has widely available drivers for both OS X and Windows and be done with it.

Why try to find third party ports of an antiquated filesystem, when all I need to do is wrong-click on "Format"?
 

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No chance will that digital copy work with anything Apple straight out of the box, as I found with the Pineapple Express Blu-Ray+digital copy.. nothing more frustrating than the assumption everyone's on Windows!

I have gotten in the habit of reading the box to see if it mentions iTunes. If it doesn't then I become kinda leery. I just assume it is a wmv file that has drm applied to it.

Didn't PE make you download the digital copy via an iTunes redemption code?
 
While your point is valid, I have two counterpoints:

1) actually I cannot buy a used or refurb as my company will not allow it (actually the granting agency from which we get our money will not allow it).

2) A refurb/used MBP costs as much as a new Sony/HP/Dell so my point still remains.

well, yeah ref mbp would cost as much as sony etc, but the problem is they are not macs, they do not use osx
i mean, isn't the real reason to use a mac its os and platform?
whoever does not care about the os and does not think mac os is worth the price, is a fool to use a mac

so i still dont get your point

it depends what budget you have, but if you get a 3ghz, with 8gb ram and a ssd, i find difficult to believe that kind of computer is not able to give you the performance that you need unless you want to play games on it...
 
And what caused Apple to develop all those vairous products? Arrogance - a belief that they could do anything.

And if Apple products were so good when the laptop computer market was so new, why do they only have 10% of the market today? Arrogance - because they thought they could own the entire market.
Wow, you sure are all worked up about a company with only 10% marketshare. Why does such a minuscule player cause you so much concern?


>> Why do they only have 10% of the market today?

Historically speaking: because most Windoze users are like the mythical lemmings which blindly followed along because "everyone else was using it". As independent thinkers, i can more easily respect one of Steve's alleged Kool-Aid drinkers, than any (of the way too many) of Billy Gates' love sheep. Go bleat off around some Winblows website why don't you? Maybe you can help someone delouse their registry.


[edit: i assume this was the "expected" behavior sought after by your trollishness? ;) ]
 
Why try to find third party ports of an antiquated filesystem, when all I need to do is wrong-click on "Format"?

Because exFat is not well established yet, it is proprietary, and has poor to none cross platform implementations. It's not even supported in pre XP windoze and pre service pack XP and the dreadful pre service pack Vista.

As per wiki again:
An experimental, open source Linux kernel module that supports the reading of exFAT files is currently under development.[5] A closed source, read/write Linux driver, licensed and derived from the Microsoft exFAT driver, is available for purchase from Tuxera.[6]

But of course you can do whatever you like, I didn't tell you what you should choose to do, I offered a free and simple cross platform solution for most people that works well.

And ext2 is not antiquated for external flash storare.

Your claim that exfat was not supported by Mac OS X was misleading, as it is not supported by a whole lot of the windows boxes either, it's not in the specs yet for the sdxc standards, and has only one paid solution for the linuxes of unknown reliability.
 
Not to worry? What in the heck does that mean?

I'm as much an Apple fan as anyone else, but "Not to worry?" Why even bother to reply, Steve!

All hail Steve, All hail Steve, Must NOT Worry!, All Hail Steve! Must Not Become Weak! All Hail Steve! ... sheesh .... :rolleyes:
 
Because exFat is not well established yet, it is proprietary, and has poor to none cross platform implementations. It's not even supported in pre XP windoze and pre service pack XP and the dreadful pre service pack Vista.

As per wiki again:

But of course you can do whatever you like, I didn't tell you what you should choose to do, I offered a free and simple cross platform solution for most people that works well.

And ext2 is not antiquated for external flash storare.

Your claim that exfat was not supported by Mac OS X was misleading, as it is not supported by a whole lot of the windows boxes either, it's not in the specs yet for the sdxc standards, and has only one paid solution for the linuxes of unknown reliability.
I think the ultimate point was that a BR player can be had for a cheap price, requires no technical knowledge to setup and would play the movie you made far easier than using hard disk or sd cards.
 
Not sure how your location (Iceland? Finland?) manages to load that site.

Here's what i see:
Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.



Nor did i present it as such... merely the first New Zealand entity to claim that April was a time when Arrandale MBPs would be for sale. [and that from someone who would be actually selling them, supposedly.]

New Zealand - It has an Error 509 though now. It was fine last night.
 
I think the ultimate point was that a BR player can be had for a cheap price, requires no technical knowledge to setup and would play the movie you made far easier than using hard disk or sd cards.
Tell that to professional video market who are stuck with burning HD movies onto DVD-Rs.
 
I think the ultimate point was that a BR player can be had for a cheap price, requires no technical knowledge to setup and would play the movie you made far easier than using hard disk or sd cards.

Come on guys, since when is a disk simpler/smaller/more robust to use than an sd card or usb flash, any disk. Don't tell me most of you use more cds/dvds nowadays than sd cards or flash usbs? The whole point of the file system was thrown in as a red herring, so I suggested ext2, but no one would have a problem using hfs+ which can be read from windows with the appropriate drivers.

And this discussion came up in terms of transferring files to others, clients etc. from your hd cam.

But what is easier for personal use, to stick a nice external hd to your computer or media center or br player for that matter, and tranfer the files from your hd cam. there or tranfer first to the disk in the player or computer and then burn as blu ray and store the disks away. It's both simpler, faster and much cheaper with an hd drive. That's the reason the players themselves all have an hd drive in them nowadays, most of them at least.

In any case I am not saying blu ray doesn't have a place or is irrelevant in terms of storing your hd camera data, but it's to me one of the least required options. I wouldn't mind having a blu ray drive in my computer (not gonna happen soon because OS does not have the drm implemented) which would probably gather dust as much as the rest of the disc playing media I have now, but I don't really miss anything for not having one. I ll get a cheap br player and stick it to the tv, it's not as if the br is going to offer anything really valuable in terms of storage on the computer. And if I want to watch a br movie I d much rather do it on my large screen tv than on my 24" imac or my powerbook. It would be another option to have a br drive but for me, and I think most people, it's almost completely unimportant.
 
Yes - and fantastic to share with parents granparents brother sisters friends. I just buy an HD drive for everyone plus a computer. Or I just get everyone an iPad

You can make your non point without being ironic.

Yes it will be better for grandparents brother sister etc. etc. to just have them stick an external hd to their media player/blu ray player with all the videos you 'd like them to have and occasionally add whatever else you like than burning 100+ disks for days on end to give out to them.

Better yet if the file is not ridiculously large upload it in the cloud mm or otherwise and have anyone download it from there.

And if none of that suits you, just get a standalone blu ray player and burner, and burn it over there, for that occasional time where you want to be burning disks and giving them out to people, it will serve you perfectly.

See, there are lots of options.
 
Lack of vision? Get my Darth Vader tone going and get ready for the MacPad Pro and SuperPad Pro and then get ready for a "neutered" OSX 7.0 that highly resembles the iPhone OS codenamed "Fat Tabby".
 
Oh I'd be "able here" applesupergeek don't you worry.

Hell I'd miss watching you get your panties in a bunch anytime someone says something that offends your delicate sensitivities :rolleyes:

Nice one, I missed a "to come"! Wow, you are an excellent proof reader, have you gone to college for that, or are you just a natural... cause if you are a natural, then wow, just wow. :apple:

None of them if they have a MBP :D
Exactly! hahahahah, touche, that was a great comeback :D
 
You can make your non point without being ironic.

Yes it will be better for grandparents brother sister etc. etc. to just have them stick an external hd to their media player/blu ray player with all the videos you 'd like them to have and occasionally add whatever else you like than burning 100+ disks for days on end to give out to them.

Better yet if the file is not ridiculously large upload it in the cloud mm or otherwise and have anyone download it from there.

And if none of that suits you, just get a standalone blu ray player and burner, and burn it over there, for that occasional time where you want to be burning disks and giving them out to people, it will serve you perfectly.

See, there are lots of options.

The grandparents do not even have an internet connection nor a computer like many others on this planet.I assume most of the world population has no access to this thread or any other website.

I know my options pretty well - and still what I would like to see from Apple is a Mac that can play and burn BD disc rogether with a authoring app iDVD or DVD Studio Pro wether you like it or not. End of story.
 
It probably doesn't mean anything but on the UK Apple Store site, all totally basic (no upgraded frills) versions of MBPs feature shipping within 24 hours. The one exception to this (until today) was the 13" - which would still ship in the same timescale if you upped the HDD to 320Gb. Now, even just changing that one configuration ups the shipping time to 3 days. Is this indicative of permanently depleted Apple stocks or does this kind of thing happen from time to time?
 
Because exFat is not well established yet, it is proprietary, and has poor to none cross platform implementations.

Don't look, but exFAT is coming to the digital camera near you as the standard filesystem on SDXC.

Will Apple adopt exFAT soon, or will it leave people with the latest video and digital cameras high and dry?


It's not even supported in pre XP windoze and pre service pack XP and the dreadful pre service pack Vista.

In other words, exFAT is fully supported on the current and previous Windows desktop systems that running Microsoft Update. If you are two versions behind, you need to download a Microsoft update that is not automatically offered. (If you are three versions behind - then "not supported".)

Is it really a crisis that Windows 2000 systems can't use exFAT - I think that you doth protest too much!


But of course you can do whatever you like, I didn't tell you what you should choose to do, I offered a free and simple cross platform solution for most people that works well.

Some of us try to avoid downloading open source kernel extensions from random sites on the web.


Your claim that exfat was not supported by Mac OS X was misleading, as it is not supported by a whole lot of the windows boxes either....

It's *very* misleading to harp on "not supported" on Windows - when it's supported an any Windows system released since January 1997 January 2007 that is using the recommended software updates and service packs. For any Windows desktop since 2001, you'll have to manually download an update from Microsoft. (From here, if you care.)
 
What did SJ REALLY say? Pick your choice ;)

I've tried creating a POLL but MR didn't let me, so here it is:

Is SJ's statement equivalent to Alfred E. Newman's "What, me worry?" or does it mean one of the following?

1) "Don't worry, new MBPs next Tuesday!"

2) "Don't worry, no more MBPs expected...ever."

3) "Don't worry, the iPad IS the new MBP."

4) "Don't worry, laptops are soooooooo 20th century..."

5) "Don't worry, I don't need new MBPs; my house has no furniture anyway".
 
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