MacBook Pro Supplies Constrained, Steve Jobs Says 'Not to Worry'

[applesupergeek]

The grandparents do not even have an internet connection nor a computer like many others on this planet.I assume most of the world population has no access to this thread or any other website.

I know my options pretty well - and still what I would like to see from Apple is a Mac that can play and burn BD disc rogether with a authoring app iDVD or DVD Studio Pro wether you like it or not. End of story.

Wait a second, what has the does the fact that most of the world population don't have access to the web have to do with your wanting apple to have blu ray in their computers? I where did I say that your grandparents (which I didn't bring up in the first place) must have a computer? Get them a br player then like I said and easily transfer any files you want from your mac to its hard drive so they can browse whatever home videos or films you 'd like to show them.

As much you want your mac to play and burn br, I am of the opinion, and by all accounts apple is too, that it's not very important to most people for all the reasons I 've said so far. So it's not happening anytime soon unfortunately.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Don't look, but exFAT is coming to the digital camera near you as the standard filesystem on SDXC.

Will Apple adopt exFAT soon, or will it leave people with the latest video and digital cameras high and dry?




In other words, exFAT is fully supported on the current and previous Windows desktop systems that running Microsoft Update. If you are two versions behind, you need to download a Microsoft update that is not automatically offered. (If you are three versions behind - then "not supported".)

Is it really a crisis that Windows 2000 systems can't use exFAT - I think that you doth protest too much!




Some of us try to avoid downloading open source kernel extensions from random sites on the web.




It's *very* misleading to harp on "not supported" on Windows - when it's supported an any Windows system released since January 1997 that is using the recommended software updates and service packs. For any Windows desktop since 2001, you'll have to manually download an update from Microsoft. (From here, if you care.)

I think what hes trying to actually get at is that a Universal Storage System needs a Unviersal (and thus open) FileSystem. I dont know why the people who control SD didn't just take an OpenSource FS. You know, unless they got paid lots of money.

 

[applesupergeek]

Don't look, but exFAT is coming to the digital camera near you as the standard filesystem on SDXC.

Will Apple adopt exFAT soon, or will it leave people with the latest video and digital cameras high and dry?

In other words, exFAT is fully supported on the current and previous Windows desktop systems that running Microsoft Update. If you are two versions behind, you need to download a Microsoft update that is not automatically offered. (If you are three versions behind - then "not supported".)

Is it really a crisis that Windows 2000 systems can't use exFAT - I think that you doth protest too much!

Some of us try to avoid downloading open source kernel extensions from random sites on the web.

It's *very* misleading to harp on "not supported" on Windows - when it's supported an any Windows system released since January 1997 that is using the recommended software updates and service packs. For any Windows desktop since 2001, you'll have to manually download an update from Microsoft. (From here, if you care.)

Aiden, it's not yet even in the specs of sdxc, I know it's coming this spring but it will take some time to be implemented. I am sure you are rejoicing in your pyrrhic victory with some MS tec finally catching up for a change, but you will be disappointed in that apple won't leave camera owners "high and dry". After all you know they have one of the most friendly consumer photo management tools in iphoto, much like MS has their "famed" windows live photo gallery.

Oh is it supported on every system released by ms since 1997 (xp was released in 2001), well then I guess wikipedia is wrong then, and you are right:

Devices formatted using exFAT cannot be read by any version of Windows prior to Windows XP or by any version of DOS or OS/2 (unless emulated as otherwise).

Aiden it's their own damn proprietary format, it's not something to write home about that they managed to support it on their own OS!!. It's very curious though why they won't be offering a free solution for it to be incorporated in the linuxes, charitable as they always are.

What is very interesting to me is how they bullied/paid their way into having it accepted as a spec standard for sdxc cards when there are plenty capable open source alternatives. They should be proud for that, which is what they do best anyway.

In any case this discussion is pointless to go on, you suggested Macs do not support a format with poor cross platform adoption, that's not even yet on the standards of the manufacturers who actually adopted it for their new sd format, and that won't even hit the market and make any actual impact until late in 2010...and even then it will only be optional to format your sd card in it...

 

[AidenShaw]

I think what hes trying to actually get at is that a Universal Storage System needs a Unviersal (and thus open) FileSystem. I dont know why the people who control SD didn't just take an OpenSource FS. You know, unless they got paid lots of money.

Perhaps because they found a cheap alternative that is better suited for the oddities of flash drives?

Also, note that SDXC cards will go into a lot of non-computers (cameras, phones, ...), so a full implementation of ext3 or RFS might be a bit of overkill for the CPUs in those devices. A tweaked FAT32 could make much more sense.

Remember that Apple collected royalties on 1394 ports for a long time, so "proprietary" and "open" aren't mutually exclusive. If the licensing is reasonable, a "proprietary" solution can be the best alternative.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Wait a second, what has the does the fact that most of the world population don't have access to the web have to do with your wanting apple to have blu ray in their computers? I where did I say that your grandparents (which I didn't bring up in the first place) must have a computer? Get them a br player then like I said and easily transfer any files you want from your mac to its hard drive so they can browse whatever home videos or films you 'd like to show them.

As much you want your mac to play and burn br, I am of the opinion, and by all accounts apple is too, that it's not very important to most people for all the reasons I 've said so far. So it's not happening anytime soon unfortunately.

As I recall - your point was movies can be downloaded. My point is that thats not a viable option for most people.

If Apple agrees with you or not is open. If we have no BD optionby 2012 I agree.

I see BD disc as a very interesting format for the next 10 years at least. We are still at the beginning.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Perhaps because they found a cheap alternative that is better suited for the oddities of flash drives?

Also, note that SDXC cards will go into a lot of non-computers (cameras, phones, ...), so a full implementation of ext3 or RFS might be a bit of overkill for the CPUs in those devices. A tweaked FAT32 could make much more sense.

Remember that Apple collected royalties on 1394 ports for a long time, so "proprietary" and "open" aren't mutually exclusive. If the licensing is reasonable, a "proprietary" solution can be the best alternative.

I think EXT4 has some optimisation for embedded devices and can be stripped of unnessesary feaures. Then theres the question of how much a license will cost for exFAT.

 

[applesupergeek]

As I recall - your point was movies can be downloaded. My point is that thats not a viable option for most people.

If Apple agrees with you or not is open. If we have no BD optionby 2012 I agree.

I see BD disc as a very interesting format for the next 10 years at least. We are still at the beginning.

Fair enough! But I did suggest other options than downloads too.

 

[applesupergeek]

If the licensing is reasonable, a "proprietary" solution can be the best alternative.

You have to admit though that it's classy, and classic MS, to not offer that 1.5% or so on the linuxes a free option to mount these cards, and to be charging them for it. Classy.

 

[jjahshik32]

As I recall - your point was movies can be downloaded. My point is that thats not a viable option for most people.

If Apple agrees with you or not is open. If we have no BD optionby 2012 I agree.

I see BD disc as a very interesting format for the next 10 years at least. We are still at the beginning.

I dont really care about bluray as well since the bluray movies can be streamed instantly through netflix and other places.

Bluray is another container such as the dvd, hd-dvd but the only difference is that its has a bigger storage. Only the Sony ps3 has some use for it for pure gaming purposes, but then again, in the future, I think any form of discs will be done away as flash memory is setting in and download/streaming is moving in as well. Especially once the SSD memory becomes cheap and the storage spaces gets bigger (there are already 256GB versions much bigger than what bluray can offer), then bluray will totally disappear.

In the new macbook pro, I couldnt care less about dvd/dvd burners/bluray/bluray burners (I can always carry it via external). Just give me a bay for an SSD and a HDD!

I know there is a 3rd party option for the optibay to accomplish this but I hope it becomes a CTO option from Apple.

 

[flottenheimer]

I.
can't.
stand.
this.
wait.
any.. long.. er....

Flatline.

 

[AidenShaw]

Aiden, it's not yet even in the specs of sdxc, I know it's coming this spring but it will take some time to be implemented.

It's shipping now - http://www.sandisk.com/products/dslr/sandisk-ultra-sdxc-cards

Oh is it supported on every system released by ms since 1997 (xp was released in 2001

I fixed the typo - in context it should have been apparent that I meant "since January 2007" - because of all the references to Vista.

 

[AidenShaw]

You have to admit though that it's classy, and classic MS, to not offer that 1.5% or so on the linuxes a free option to mount these cards, and to be charging them for it. Classy.

Just as classy as Apple charging for putting a 1394 port in a system.

If Apple had patented exFAT - it would be wonderful and Apple would be justified in asking for a small royalty to compensate for the use of Apple IP.

But, instead it's Microsoft....

 

[jjahshik32]

It's shipping now - http://www.sandisk.com/products/dslr/sandisk-ultra-sdxc-cards




I fixed the typo - in context it should have been apparent that I meant "since January 2007" - because of all the references to Vista.

Wow almost $400 bucks for one. I'd rather buy an intel x25-m 160GB SSD drive instead of that!

 

[applesupergeek]

In the new macbook pro, I couldnt care less about dvd/dvd burners/bluray/bluray burners (I can always carry it via external). Just give me a bay for an SSD and a HDD!

I know there is a 3rd party option for the optibay to accomplish this but I hope it becomes a CTO option from Apple.

Amen, I said that a few pages ago, but got lost in all the whining. And seriously I am so tempted to set it up for a vote/poll here. How may would prefer blu ray, to diskless system with a super fast ssd (and I doesn't have to be more than even 64gb or 128gb to bring costs down) for the os and the applications and some storage, and a nice 750gb hd drive for all other storage. I would wager the vote is going to be 25-75% in favour of hd+ssd instead of blu ray.

 

[AidenShaw]

Wow almost $400 bucks for one. I'd rather buy an intel x25-m 160GB SSD drive instead of that!

Will that Intel SSD plug into your camera?

 

[applesupergeek]

Just as classy as Apple charging for putting a 1394 port in a system.

If Apple had patented exFAT - it would be wonderful and Apple would be justified in asking for a small royalty to compensate for the use of Apple IP.

But, instead it's Microsoft....

Aiden you know it yourself is apple had made the fs, it would be available to the linuxes to use, for free.

But I was being harsh on MS, they give some much back to the open source community, exactly like apple.

 

[ct2k7]

Will that Intel SSD plug into your camera?

I think you'd have more luck trying to get the camera to rape the SSD.

 

[Maserati7200]

the last update was in June 2009. that is NOT that long.

Perhaps what you meant to ask was about the Mac Pro. THAT has had a 'prolonged wait'

Both the MacBook Pro and the Mac Pro are way overdue for their updates. The cycle for the Mac Pro/Power Mac was about 11 months, it's almost 13 months since the MP was updated. The update cycle for the MBP is about 8 months. The last update for the MBP was almost 10 months ago.

 

[kaiserben]

Both the MacBook Pro and the Mac Pro are way overdue for their updates. The cycle for the Mac Pro/Power Mac was about 11 months, it's almost 13 months since the MP was updated. The update cycle for the MBP is about 8 months. The last update for the MBP was almost 10 months ago.

The last time it takes so long for a refresh, it was for releasing the first macbook ever... THE last decade change for Apple introducing intel architecture.

We can expect something really great.

 

[offwidafairies]

ok im getting pissed

hurry up already. i need a new computer now. my mbp is freaking out, shutting itself down. its important i have a powerful functional computer for work. but i dont want to buy either the mac pro or another mbp knowing both are due for updates. i don't even want to buy second hand right now, knowing there will be a price drop when the new ones come out

 

[offwidafairies]

Amen, I said that a few pages ago, but got lost in all the whining. And seriously I am so tempted to set it up for a vote/poll here. How may would prefer blu ray, to diskless system with a super fast ssd (and I doesn't have to be more than even 64gb or 128gb to bring costs down) for the os and the applications and some storage, and a nice 750gb hd drive for all other storage. I would wager the vote is going to be 25-75% in favour of hd+ssd instead of blu ray.

yep, i'd pay apple's outrageous prices without whining for ssd!

 

[lifeinhd]

Right, and how will mobile apps be created then? Out of thin air? (Which is more likely than the dev environment being ported to Windows.)

--Eric

No, Apple only has to release the iPhone/iPad SDK as an iPhone/iPad app, and they're free to drop the Mac line.

 

[choco]

"not to worry"? easy for you to say. you're not on the other side!

ah well. all this fuss is not going to make the updates come any faster people. perhaps we should just take his advice?

 

[reckless_0001]

Disciples who receive word back from Jobs should be called prophets.

 

[jjahshik32]

Will that Intel SSD plug into your camera?

No, but it'll happily plug into my macbook pro.