Processor upgrades are nice but for these pro series laptops Apple could go a step further to differentiate from the consumer MacBook by bundling iWorks. When will Apple merge FileMaker back into the company and incorporate Bento into iWorks? Seems like it is time to bring them back in-house.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
MacBook Pro Targeted 2.8GHz Core i7 Processors Due Later This Year
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I totally agree. Bluray and DVD's will go obsolete at the same time. They are both poor solutions going forward. Bluray is nothing more than a novelty item at best and is not a "Pro" component. The sooner we move totally to flash based memory for software, movies, or any digital media the better off we are.
After getting a SSD, I dread hooking up my external drive or putting a media disk in the optical drive...it's just so slow and inefficient and kills the battery.
Yeah, because burning a dual layer DVD to transfer files is so cheap and quick. Yeah, and everyone in the world produces 4GB files in their work every single day - that's common, so let's make sure those few of us who never create those huge files ever get a laptop designed for *our* needs? Is that it?
First of all, it's not insane (but thanks for analysing us<smirk>), it's the way many, many of us use computers. I would like a world where physical media is completely unnecessary, but we're not there yet.
I use laptops and have no need for an internal drive - it's simply unnecessary in my home and work life. I have used laptops as my only computer at work for more than 15 years, and I still stand by this that I don't need an internal drive.
When I'm at work and someone needs something and isn't connected to the network, I take out my handy USB memory stick, stick it in my computer and copy files to it, which they then take to their machine and do the same. If you're doing this by burning DVDs, you might as well be burning time and money.
A laptop without an optical drive is not crippled - quit thinking that each computer has to at all times support every single task *you* may want it for. An external drive (and docking station) is more than adequate and would save weight and *space* on the laptop which is unnecessary. The functionality is still there for those that need it, but for those that don't, much nicer laptop.
You have to realise we're not talking binary here - it's not like anyone advocates getting rid of optical drives on every single laptop model for sale now and in the future, including the ones you own currently. *THAT* would be insane. Just give us more laptops sans internal drives!
True, but I wouldn't mind if my MBP 13" would be a few millimeters thicker, if it mens getting and i3 or even an i5 or i7
This is a very good question!
That is the pessimistic view. Realize that turbo boost does work and can be very useful on a properly cooled processor. The desktop line suffers similarly and if you take the time on the net to look around you will find a wide array of results based on various hardware and firmware configurations.
In a laptop? I honestly doubt would would get sustained turbo boost in that application. One problem being the eventual heating of the cores. The other is the use of many threads as the more features or hardware used in the processor also affects turbo boost use.
More testing would be required on this specific CPU of course but I just doubt you will get hours of turbo boost in a compact laptop.
Dave
It really isn't much of a rumor as Intel has been known to be refining its 32nm process for lower power. People act surprised that updated mobile processors will end up in Mac Books in the future. Well duh that is how the industry has worked for years.Yes! An honest to God Mac Rumor!
The concept is simple, when the processor is cool enough the clock rate is cranked up to give better performance.
Generally no. Think about it the feature is temperature dependant, there are several variables here that can lead to silicon heating up. Worst we are talking Apple notebooks here so the operating temp is likely to be already warmer than it should be for the boost feature.
That is the pessimistic view. Realize that turbo boost does work and can be very useful on a properly cooled processor. The desktop line suffers similarly and if you take the time on the net to look around you will find a wide array of results based on various hardware and firmware configurations.
In a laptop? I honestly doubt would would get sustained turbo boost in that application. One problem being the eventual heating of the cores. The other is the use of many threads as the more features or hardware used in the processor also affects turbo boost use.
More testing would be required on this specific CPU of course but I just doubt you will get hours of turbo boost in a compact laptop.
Dave
Honestly the optical drive is the biggest waste of space in the current gen MBP especially in the 13". It takes approximately 33% of the volume inside the 13" Imagine what you can do with that much empty space.
1 - Dual SSD or big HDD + SSD (a lot of ppl are asking this). People use the kind of memory everyday instead of the optical drive wich i personally used it twice since i bought my MBP.
2 - Better heatsink allowing for better processors and GPU. People are crying for the arrandale i3 and i5 in the MBP 13 but it got stuck with 3 year C2D and you know why? (drumroll)....OPTICAL DRIVE
3 - Greater battery life wich is crucial for laptops and possibly thinner laptops.
Would you really want the optical drive (wich most of the ppl will probably use 5 times) with all the above tradeoffs. I dont think soooo... Why uses disks anyways honestly. Nowadays u can get a 16 gig thumb-drive for like 20 bucks and it is REUSABLE and you can put it in a pocket. try putting 15 CD's in your pocket and lets see how that works. As someone stated above Optical media is dead...
1 - Dual SSD or big HDD + SSD (a lot of ppl are asking this). People use the kind of memory everyday instead of the optical drive wich i personally used it twice since i bought my MBP.
2 - Better heatsink allowing for better processors and GPU. People are crying for the arrandale i3 and i5 in the MBP 13 but it got stuck with 3 year C2D and you know why? (drumroll)....OPTICAL DRIVE
3 - Greater battery life wich is crucial for laptops and possibly thinner laptops.
Would you really want the optical drive (wich most of the ppl will probably use 5 times) with all the above tradeoffs. I dont think soooo... Why uses disks anyways honestly. Nowadays u can get a 16 gig thumb-drive for like 20 bucks and it is REUSABLE and you can put it in a pocket. try putting 15 CD's in your pocket and lets see how that works. As someone stated above Optical media is dead...
The 15" i7 is already too hot to touch under high cpu load. I burnt y finger slightly on the metal just above the number keys. I know how bad it is, I have one. Next time someone berated PClaptops for getting too hot, I shall simply laugh at them. This thing is utterly unacceptable as a portable computer.
And optical media isn't dead. Go look at your local best buy. Last time I looked, there were 8 isles of 'dead' optical media.
And optical media isn't dead. Go look at your local best buy. Last time I looked, there were 8 isles of 'dead' optical media.
There used to be 18 isles before itunes came up. it will be one or two left when cloud computing becomes mainstream. Im sorry but as much as you want it it is already dead...
The only problem with thumb drives is storage. It is easy for me to store 100 CDs/DVDs neatly and keep them organized. My storage is even stylish and does not take up a lot of space. But how does one organize and store thumb drives? Their size and shape is not as easy to store and retrieve when/if needed.
Let me repeat what I've said here before. I'm not going to buy movies on iTunes. As long as someone will sell me a disk, I will buy a disk. I can't take iTunes to a friends house. I can't lend iTunes. i can't enjoy 1080p on iTunes. i can't drop iTunes on my PS3 to watch on my TV, then pull it put and play it on a computer. I could drive to best buy, pay LESS than on iTunes, for a film in much higher quality, with lots of extras, and still be back home and watching it before it's downloaded on iTunes. PLUS, my ISP isn't going to shut me down if I go and buy a high-def box set on disk.
Optical media isn't going anywhere for a long long time.
Yep we are all nuts. Or we just have a more rational value system.
Besides you mis the one important point, if you really need a ODD you can plug it in to a USB port. A simple way to solve a need that crops up from time to time.
BS if you are producing files of any size the last thing you would be using is a ODD as they are just to slow. They whole point of loosing the optical drive is to gain additional capability in a machine. Especially smaller laptops. Rethinking things here can lead to a revolution in small machine performance.
Dropping the ODD is not about making a worst machine, it is about making a better laptop.
Dave
So computers should be built for special interests and not for the masses.
Weight has little to do with it. It is all about wasted space.
That is just ignorant. First off very few people really use the optical drive at all. Second the space freed up can make for a far more capable laptop. In fact this is the driving force in the desire to remove the optical drive from laptops, especially smaller ones.
Optical drives are very poor backup devices if you ask me. Mainly due to reliability of the written CD. This becomes an issue when transferring files to other computers too.
That is fine if you use your laptop that way. Many of us don't. Besides we bring our laptops around for whatever are particular iterests are.
How often does the average user publish such large content? Not often which is why there are so many netbooks and iPads being sold. Not everyone spends every waking minute of their lives compiling massive videos.
Besides you mis the one important point, if you really need a ODD you can plug it in to a USB port. A simple way to solve a need that crops up from time to time.
BS if you are producing files of any size the last thing you would be using is a ODD as they are just to slow. They whole point of loosing the optical drive is to gain additional capability in a machine. Especially smaller laptops. Rethinking things here can lead to a revolution in small machine performance.
Dropping the ODD is not about making a worst machine, it is about making a better laptop.
Dave
You can keep your cloud computing. For as many benefits as it might have for some people, it is also dependent upon the internet and its infrastructure. There are times when the internet is simply not available. And let's not forget data which might be destroyed on another company's server by accident or the lack of privacy when hosting files on a public server.
I prefer to access my files without the need for internet access, to keep my data private, and to use redundant backups for my most critical files using optical media.
Blu-Ray capacity:
25 to 50 GB (single-layer)
50 to 100 GB (dual-layer)
There are currently 128GB flash drives available. It's only a matter of time before optical media is killed off whether you like it or not.
We are not saying PHYSICAL media is on its way out. We are saying OPTICAL media is on its way out.
Actually, it is we techno-geeks on this board who have special interests. I deal with the masses on a daily basis. We are not the masses.
It is only wasted in your opinion. People do use the ODD, even if you don't.
I have not had a problem with optical disc reliability. Perhaps you need to choose a different brand of media.
Maybe not, but there have been many instances when my daughter will watch a children's DVD played through the ODD of a MBP while the rest of the family watches, say, a football game.
There is not always space for an external ODD and another peripheral mitigates the very idea of a laptop--a portable, fully functional and usable computer, including an ODD.
Only if by better you mean removing functionality. Again, you may not use it, but others do. As I previously posted, perhaps it would be better for Apple to expand the MBA line and increase its power. I still think many of you who want laptops without the ODD would be better served by a revamped MBA, especially if Apple were to increase the port options on it.
USB thumbdrives will be a perfect replacement for optical media. Again, we are not saying physical media is on its way out. We are saying optical media is on its way out.
...for $300. 32 gig is still about $100. Two orders of magnitude more than the blank media movies are currently printed to.
Seriously - that's irrelevant to current movie buying behaviour. Can I go and get the Oceans 11-13 box set on flash? No. Can I get it on Blu Ray? Yes.
If and when movies shift to such a medium, I'll go to Best Buy and buy that. I'm still not buying from iTunes. Right now, today, I want BR in my Mac's please.
Most of the people making the case against ODD's in Macs here are doing so because they claim downloads/itunes etc can replace already. Personally - I find that to be a bad joke. I'm already in bed with Steve Jobs more than enough.
Or simply realize that buying when you need it is the way to go.
instead of getting wrapped up in that nonsense be happy that technology is moving forward allowing our Macs to work much better.
Dave
Yeah, this is the way it is with being into Apple hardware. They've just released a long awaited update to the MBP last month. And now there's a new rumor that makes one want to wait. Maybe it would be a good idea to stay away from rumor sites in between the expected major update times
instead of getting wrapped up in that nonsense be happy that technology is moving forward allowing our Macs to work much better.
Dave
Unless movies come on thumb drives (I don't see this happening any time soon), the thumb drive will not replace the DVD for movies. If movies came on thumb drives, there is still a problem -- children! Anything which sticks off the side of a computer is ripe for being ripped off or broken off by accident. By contrast, a DVD inside the computer is not as easily damaged because it is internal to the computer. While it would be possible to rip a movie to the hard drive, most average users do not know how.
[Edit: Apple's magsafe power adapter has saved my bacon more than once when the power cord has been yanked out by my daughter and even me on one occasion by accident. For this reason, the less cords and dangling parts attached to laptops, the better.]
Seriously that's irrelevant? I said it was only a matter of time before optical media is dead. I never said getting rid of physical media would be a good idea. Get your facts straight before you respond. BluRay is going to be useless in good time anyway, if Apple doesn't plan on incorporating it then they should drop the optical drive. Even if they did have BluRay drives, once again it would only be a matter of time before that's dead.
I don't know about you but I'd rather have a USB thumb stick slightly out of my computer over an optical drive that takes up 1/3 of the computers internal space. If you are really that worried about your children then maybe they shouldn't be using the computer in the first place.
I prefer it ripped to my hard drive (only the movies I own, mind you), partly because of children and partly because even around other adults accidents happen and have happened.
So you illegally rip DVD's? So you basically just want the optical drive so you can perform illegal activities? That's a great trend to set for your children.