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Come back up already...taking ages. Only excited cos my brother is finally switching
 
its up! looks like santa rosa and better graphics card (on the 17 inch) and also faster dvd drives and 2 gigs ram standard on 15 inch
 
UK wise - £50 quid cheaper on the top spec 15"

So good for new purchasers but also not too much of a blow for people who have the old one like me - in fact given i bought mine with 160g i think the only diff is the graphics card
 
dammit still got that naff 1440x900 display on the 15.4 inchers.

but 8600 gpu, 2.4ghz cpu and 4 gigs of ram, and option for a 7200rpm 160gb hard drive... i am pretty much sold
 
So is the screen LED or not?

The main page says: "Display’s the thing

A great video processor powers a great display. The new MacBook Pro is available in 15-inch models with a new mercury-free, power-efficient LED-backlit display and a 17-inch model with an optional 1920-by-1200 pixel display."

But the tech specs page says otherwise. :confused:

Wtf?
 
whats the higher education discount then? about 15%?

and wow, £55 extra for the 1920x1200 display on the 17incher....for that money and the £1700 your already paying (educational discount store..7% discount) you'd be hilariously daft not to get it
 
Wow. This upgrade really turned out to be almost exactly what we were waiting for...except...it looks like the exact same case design. I'm presuming that means the hard drive is still NOT user upgradeable? Anyone know?

The fact is the less asynchronous the better for performance. 1:2 ratio (166FSB:333MHz) is actually a much better ratio than 3:5 ratio (200FSB:333MHz). In terms of performance comparison, 667FSB processor with 667MHz memory actually perform better than 800FSB processor with 667MHz!

Prove it. Intel hasn't regularly kept them in sync for over half a decade now, and in every single case I've seen, the faster bus and/or RAM wins out.

20% faster FSB doesn't translate to 20% performance improvement, especially when we are talking about 2.33GHz/667FSB vs 2.40GHz/800FSB (same pipeline, cache size, microachitecture)

No, but it's still a very nice upgrade, bring the notebook CPUs that much closer to the desktop Core 2.

ohhh, maybe I read their post that explicitly said TFT display's wrong.

If this isn't stating NO LED, what is?!

Yes, they did say TFT, and so they are. The 15" models use LED backlighting, exactly as predicted.

however i think their architecture choices as a whole are just a little too ahead of their time. their shader core is a bit more complicated than what nvidia used, R6xx should absolutely scream with Very Long Instruction Word code, and if their software compiler is able to extra lots of parallel and long instructions from shader code it really does motor

Their choice in using VLIW makes no sense. Graphics are ALREADY infinitely parallizable. It's debatable whether it even works for CPUs, given the Itanic's illustrious carrer...but GPUs? Makes no sense at all.

What's the point if the memory controller only supports 667MHz? There's a bottleneck between FSB and RAM, if the leaked specs are true.

As others have pointed out, no there is not. There's no bottleneck at all. I mean by that logic, "what's the point of using a 1033MHz FSB with 667MHz RAM on the desktop" that most systems use? Again, there's no connection between those speeds, and hasn't needed to be in YEARS. LONG before Apple switched to Intel.

So for this free nano thing, it's a mail-in rebate? That's stupid... I wish it could be an instant credit at time of purchase.

Yeah, that would be nice. Ditto for the printer offer.

UK wise - £50 quid cheaper on the top spec 15"

So good for new purchasers but also not too much of a blow for people who have the old one like me - in fact given i bought mine with 160g i think the only diff is the graphics card

The GPU is a *HUGE* difference, but how about the entirely new 64-bit chipset, 20% faster FSB, etc.?
 
dammit still got that naff 1440x900 display on the 15.4 inchers.

but 8600 gpu, 2.4ghz cpu and 4 gigs of ram, and option for a 7200rpm 160gb hard drive... i am pretty much sold

Does anyone know just how much less hours do you get on a 7200 rpm HDD on battery? It surely would use more power right?
 
Does anyone know just how much less hours do you get on a 7200 rpm HDD on battery? It surely would use more power right?

yes it would, but i have heard that in reality the reduction in battery life is basically a couple of minutes and they dont even get significantly hotter.

but id rather plump for a high density, perpendicular recording 5400rpm drive. the higher density should make up some for the slower spindle speed.

im ordering one of these as soon as i get home.

do the 15inch ones definately have LED backlighting? i can put up with that res i think, ill be using an external monitor for the most part anyway, 2 USB's is a little stingy but my monitor also has a 4port USB hub..and i have a BT kb and mouse so im set.
 
yes it would, but i have heard that in reality the reduction in battery life is basically a couple of minutes and they dont even get significantly hotter.

but id rather plump for a high density, perpendicular recording 5400rpm drive. the higher density should make up some for the slower spindle speed.

im ordering one of these as soon as i get home.

do the 15inch ones definately have LED backlighting? i can put up with that res i think, ill be using an external monitor for the most part anyway, 2 USB's is a little stingy but my monitor also has a 4port USB hub..and i have a BT kb and mouse so im set.

The 15" definitely do have LED. But what do you mean you'd rather have a "high density" 5,400 rpm HD? You mean, more GB's?
 
The 15" definitely do have LED. But what do you mean you'd rather have a "high density" 5,400 rpm HD? You mean, more GB's?

sorry yeah i meant instead of say this 160gb 7200 drive, i would chose the WD 250gb 2.5inch 5400rpm drive.

it uses perpendicual recording, so all the bits are more densely packed. same rotation speed, but more bits in a given area. i reckon it wouldnt be too disimilar in performance to a 100-160gb 7200 drive

well im sold on the LED backlighting... i cant find where it says that on the site though (bearing in mind im in the UK.....possible that ours dont get the LED backlights?)

they'll probably be shut when i get in tonight but i will be ordering a 15.4 incher, 2.4ghz, 2gig, 160gig, 8600gt and iWork ASAP!
 
sorry yeah i meant instead of say this 160gb 7200 drive, i would chose the WD 250gb 2.5inch 5400rpm drive.

I take it you are not buying the hard disk from Apple:apple:? Here the online store has 200GiB @ 4200 RPM. But "here" is Australia.
 
it uses perpendicual recording, so all the bits are more densely packed. same rotation speed, but more bits in a given area. i reckon it wouldnt be too disimilar in performance to a 100-160gb 7200 drive

well im sold on the LED backlighting... i cant find where it says that on the site though (bearing in mind im in the UK.....possible that ours dont get the LED backlights?)!

The 250gb (17") and 200gb (15") drives are actually 4200rpm, so even with the higher density I would expect them to be slower than the 7200 drive. It's so frustrating that the 15" with the 160gb 7200 drive is on 3-4 weeks delivery; the 17" with the same drive is only 3 days!

I'm also keen to know how people know that the 15" models are LED? I can't see any information about the LED backlights anywhere (except for on this forum). If I could see where apple confirms this then I would place an order right now! I'm in the UK too, but looking in the US store the information seems to be the same.
 
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