It's a pretty dumb thread to create.
Pretty sure the OP knew this was at best immoral, but figured I'd they could just get a few people here to agree with them then that would ease their conscious.
It's a pretty dumb thread to create.
There is nothing immoral about buying a product to try and if not liking it, then returning it.Pretty sure the OP knew this was at best immoral,
There is nothing immoral about buying a product to try and if not liking it, then returning it.
Anyway, I'd like to know if it's a little err "wrong" to buy one from Apple if I just want to try it out and return it before making a final decision?
There is nothing immoral about buying a product to try and if not liking it, then returning it.
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Let me just add, when I had my MBP in for repair and that repair was going to take longer an Apple manager recommended that I buy a new MBP and then return it once the repair was done and he'd waive the 14 day return period. So while a different situation, its clear he was not worked up about buying without any intention of keeping it.
The OP is taking advantage of an existing policy, and trying to spin it any other way doesn't make sense. He's free to buy whatever he wants, and he's free to return it regardless of his motives.However that doesn't mean to say it's the right thing to do.
Rightfully so as Apple is known to gouge consumers, just look at them charging 400 dollars for wheels to 1,000 for a monitor stand.People complain Apple devices cost too much money,
To it its not a question of them affording it, but rather leveraging a policy that exists, pure and simple.yet then advocate actions like this on the basis "Apple can afford it".
So, that doesn't change anything, its not like he's signing a contract stating his intent is buy it, cherish it and keep it forever. Heck, just look at what I posted, a store manager recommend that I buy (with no intention of keeping it) a MBP and then return it.hat's not what the OP is proposing. The OP is proposing to buy a product with no intent of keeping it.
The OP is taking advantage of an existing policy, and trying to spin it any other way doesn't make sense. He's free to buy whatever he wants, and he's free to return it regardless of his motives.
Rightfully so as Apple is known to gouge consumers, just look at them charging 400 dollars for wheels to 1,000 for a monitor stand.
To it its not a question of them affording it, but rather leveraging a policy that exists, pure and simple.
So, that doesn't change anything, its not like he's signing a contract stating his intent is buy it, cherish it and keep it forever. Heck, just look at what I posted, a store manager recommend that I buy (with no intention of keeping it) a MBP and then return it.
You cannot wear a dress and have it remain in original saleable condition, whereas the MBP does not have any such stipulation and the little I know is you cannot conceivably wear a dress with tags remaining.. Returned items must be in original, saleable condition with original tags
The difference is because Macey's return policy has this:
You cannot wear a dress and have it remain in original saleable condition, whereas the MBP does not have any such stipulation and the little I know is you cannot conceivably wear a dress with tags remaining.
Apple and oranges, the OP is working within the policy, in your example, you're skirting the policy and lying, he's not lying, he's buying using, returning all within what apple defined as acceptable conditions
I'd say that that was Apple trying to right a wrong. They can make those decisions.
The OP is asking if it's ok to "wardrobe" a device - that is to buy it with every intention of returning it before the time is up and zero intention of keeping it.
That can actually be seen as fraud as you're not entering into the purchase in good faith.
Is the OP going to get caught? Almost certainly not. However that doesn't mean to say it's the right thing to do.
People complain Apple devices cost too much money, yet then advocate actions like this on the basis "Apple can afford it".
Yes, that's pretty clear legally and per Apple's policy. However it doesn't mean it's not an abuse of the spirit and intention of the policy.The OP is taking advantage of an existing policy, and trying to spin it any other way doesn't make sense. He's free to buy whatever he wants, and he's free to return it regardless of his motives.
Standard Return Policy
We fundamentally believe you will be thrilled with the products you purchase from the Apple Store. That’s because we go out of our way to ensure that they’re designed and built to be just what you need. We understand, however, that sometimes a product may not be what you expected it to be. In that unlikely event, we invite you to review the following terms related to returning a product.
I don't see it immoral, so there you go.it is immoral.
I disagree in fact I see this: "however, that sometimes a product may not be what you expected it to be. " stating that you use it and if you find out it doesn't meet your needs you can return it. The OP is basically seeing if the product meets his expectation, which oddly enough is stated in the return policyIt's pretty clear what the intention is.
Get caught? Illegal? What state laws have been broken here? Please enlighten us?
I don't see it immoral, so there you go.
I disagree in fact I see this: "however, that sometimes a product may not be what you expected it to be. " stating that you use it and if you find out it doesn't meet your needs you can return it. The OP is basically seeing if the product meets his expectation, which oddly enough is stated in the return policy![]()
There's two ways this goes - the OP chose not to clarify their post, so we don't know...I disagree in fact I see this: "however, that sometimes a product may not be what you expected it to be. " stating that you use it and if you find out it doesn't meet your needs you can return it. The OP is basically seeing if the product meets his expectation, which oddly enough is stated in the return policy![]()
I interpret it as he's not sure whether to get it, so he wants to buy it and use it for 2 weeks before making the decision whether to keep or return it. I think maybe the way he's phrased 'return it before making the final decision' is the crucial point here, if OP means he's trying it for 2 weeks, then definitely returning it before buying another one later if he wants it, then that would probably fall into your latter category, but the thing is it makes no sense to do that. If you get it, try it and decide you want it why return it and buy another one?There's two ways this goes - the OP chose not to clarify their post, so we don't know...
1. The OP meant to imply that they were purchasing it with the intent to evaluate and decide whether to keep the purchase or return it. This is clearly allowed and in the spirit of the return policy. If this is the case, this thread has been a ridiculous discussion based on a misunderstanding.
2. The OP meant to imply that they were purchasing it with NO intention of keeping the product and are going to return it regardless if the product meets their expectations or not. If you think that's perfectly ethical, fine, you've stated your opinion. But it's clearly not the intention or in the spirit of the return policy, and most people would think it's the wrong thing to do.
I'd like to give the OP the benefit of the doubt as well... the only thing is several posters interpreted it as "no plans to keep it" and the OP did not refute that but rather doubled down on rationalizing that Apple has lots of money and can afford the abuse of policy and that it's not unethical to use the policy to return a product they have no intention of keeping. I don't know, maybe just a language misunderstanding.I would say in this case OP has left open the possibility that he might like it enough to keep it? He does say he's actually debating whether to get a MBP, not just that he has a paper to write so he's going to borrow it for 2 weeks to do that and then definitely take it back when done. That seems reasonably consistent with Apple's no questions asked return policy to me? Maybe OP will like it enough he'll decide to keep hold of it after all?
Don't know, but to me there's zero logic to buying something, using it for two weeks, definitely returning it, even if you want it, and buying it again later?I'd like to give the OP the benefit of the doubt as well... the only thing is several posters interpreted it as "no plans to keep it" and the OP did not refute that but rather doubled down on rationalizing that Apple has lots of money and can afford the abuse of policy and that it's not unethical to use the policy to return a product they have no intention of keeping. I don't know, maybe just a language misunderstanding.
So, that doesn't change anything, its not like he's signing a contract stating his intent is buy it, cherish it and keep it forever.
Which will never happen because this is stupid.Actually it is. There does not need to be a written contract or an explicit statement. All that is necessary to make it illegal is to convince a judge that he's taking unfair advantage of the return policy by not having an intent to keep the item.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith_(law)
Could you call Apple directly and request a refund (if that's what you want to do)when stores open back up
I wouldn't feel guilty if you have a good faith intention to buy it if you like it and it meets your needs.I am debating buying a MacBook Pro. I currently have a 12" MacBook that I love but would like something a little more future proof. I know if I but a new MBP I'll get 5+ years out of it. Anyway, I'd like to know if it's a little err "wrong" to buy one from Apple if I just want to try it out and return it before making a final decision? I did once order a regular iPhone and the max version to see which one I liked and returned one (the regular) but still feel guilty. And then.. Apple are with $Billions and if I did try and return it'd be resold at a discount to someone so is there any harm? Any thoughts?