MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?

[Machead III]

But why would Apple leave the C2D out of the MacBook when for the same price they could simply drop one in and compete with the many other consumer portable PCs that also ship with C2D?

From the sounds of things this is just wishful thinking on MBP buyers parts that the MacBook will be specced lower still than the Pro to further justify their purchase of such an expensive notebook.

C2D is no more expensive than the CD and there is already sufficient distinction between the MacBook and Pro lines. Why needlessly punish us MacBook buyers who need a notebook, can't afford a Pro but don't want to buy a revision that is clearly at the end of it's lifespan?

 

[ergle2]

But why would Apple leave the C2D out of the MacBook when for the same price they could simply drop one in and compete with the many other consumer portable PCs that also ship with C2D?

From the sounds of things this is just wishful thinking on MBP buyers parts that the MacBook will be specced lower still than the Pro to further justify their purchase of such an expensive notebook.

C2D is no more expensive than the CD and there is already sufficient distinction between the MacBook and Pro lines. Why needlessly punish us MacBook buyers who need a notebook, can't afford a Pro but don't want to buy a revision that is clearly at the end of it's lifespan?

Because Merom supplies are limited. It may not be practical to upgrade both machines at the same time, depending on what kind of allocaton Apple is getting. Apple needs to ensure they have an adequate supply of processors to fulfill orders.

They won't upgrade the MacBook first because a) it's more popular by dint of being cheaper, and thus would require more processors and b) they're not going to release a MacBook with a better processor than the MBP, it'd kill sales on the more expensive and thus more profitable machine.

This is nothing to do with "punishing" anyone and everything to do with commercial realities.

Your second paragraph is so wrong it's hilarious.

Edit: correction to second para.

 

[Machead III]

When did I suggest they would update the MacBook before the Pro?

If numerous PC manufacturers have consumer laptops that directly compete with the MacBook shipping with C2D, Apple are going to need to get C2D into the MacBook or make it more attractive with price cuts pretty fast.

Your second paragraph is so wrong it's hilarious.

Don't be a smarmy little prick all your life.

 

[ergle2]

When did I suggest they would update the MacBook before the Pro?

I didn't say you did. I pointed out that if only one was to be updated -- which, given some of their allocation is already earmarked for iMacs seems likely, it'd be the MBP first and the MB later.

If numerous PC manufacturers have consumer laptops that directly compete with the MacBook shipping with C2D, Apple are going to need to get C2D into the MacBook or make it more attractive with price cuts pretty fast.

Yes.

Don't be a smarmy little prick all your life.

Interesting. You insult me by implication, I comment on it and you respond by insulting me again -- directly, this time. I suggest you open a charm school, I'm sure it'd be a huge hit.

 

[lha72]

C2D in MBP

I've been following this and other threads on the possibility of Apple switching the 17" MPB over to C2D. I currently use a G5 Quad for Photo and other work. I got the Quad because neither my 1GHZ G4 nor 1.5GHZ Powerbook could handle Aperture. I shoot in raw format with a couple of Nikon D200 and a D70s, and Aperture on the Quad handles the work well. Because of severe space limitations in my house, I am thinking of selling the Quad and going to a 17" MBP if it comes out in C2D and the C2D compares favorably in performance to the G5 Quad. That would help a bit with the crowding, reduce my electric bill a lot, and considerably lower the temperature in the room (the G5 Quad and UPS are both real heaters - Gotta have computers on UPS in Hawaii or they become doorstops). Does anyone think this is a viable solution?

Thanks,

Leo

 

[wtneo]

predictions

I've been reading MacRumors since I decided to get a MacBook, cureently waiting for sept 25th before pouring my hardearn money into one!

After going through all the "reports/rumors/trends" my predictions for coming event on sept 25th...

1. MacBook Pro gets C2D with basic design updates
2. MacBook gets speed bumps without C2D, but prices and other spec stay same
3. OF COURSE!!!!!... Aperture gets an update!

another 8 days till then... no matter what happens on that day, I will go forth with my macbook purchase!

 

[Multimedia]

MacBook Will Get No Change Until C2D Goes Inside At Same Speed As Now

I've been reading MacRumors since I decided to get a MacBook, cureently waiting for sept 25th before pouring my hardearn money into one! After going through all the "reports/rumors/trends" my predictions for coming event on sept 25th...

2. MacBook gets speed bumps without C2D, but prices and other spec stay same/

Nope. Mac Book will not even get a speed bump when it gets C2D. The 2.16 and 2.33 GHz CD & C2D processors are radically more expensive than the 2GHz model. So it's wishful thinking on your part that there is any speed bump in MacBook's foreseeable future. What the 2GHz C2D will give to the MacBook is Double the shared L2 cache to 4MB, longer battery life, cooler operating temperature and faster processing of instructions according to the other Merom advantages.

Apple is not going to put faster Yonahs in a MacBook for a month or two only to drop the speed back down to a 2GHz C2D in October or November.

 

[ergle2]

I've been reading MacRumors since I decided to get a MacBook, cureently waiting for sept 25th before pouring my hardearn money into one!

After going through all the "reports/rumors/trends" my predictions for coming event on sept 25th...

1. MacBook Pro gets C2D with basic design updates
2. MacBook gets speed bumps without C2D, but prices and other spec stay same
3. OF COURSE!!!!!... Aperture gets an update!

another 8 days till then... no matter what happens on that day, I will go forth with my macbook purchase!

Point 1 and 3, I agree with completely.

2... less likely, I think.

I don't see Apple making the two the same clockspeed for commercial reasons - the risk of potential purchases conflating Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, thinking they had the same processor. As a result, I'd expect the fastest offered MacBooks to never match the fastest offered MBP.

Many were surprised just how close the MacBooks were compared to the MBPs (with current models, even the fastest MBP is just 8% faster in raw clock terms, and more like 5% in real-world terms).

If Apple offered the more expensive MBP with the 2.33GHz chip, that would make your theory more viable, but the 2.33GHz Merom - at least at OEM pricing - garners a huge premium (it's over double the 2.13GHz chip), which would mean cutting profit margins.

I figured the 2.33GHz chip would more likely be offered as a BTO on the MBP for this reason.

Beyond that, I do expect Apple to ship C2D MacBooks this calendar year, and that would mean two upgrades in a ~3 month period.

As I mentioned in a previous post, if they don't upgrade this year, do they end up waiting for Santa Rosa, due in April? 7 months would surely be rather too long a wait, I suspect. Then again, it should be in time to hit the all important "graduation" market...

Ah, the joys of speculation.

 

[ergle2]

Apple is not going to put faster Yonahs in a MacBook for a month or two only to drop the speed back down to a 2GHz C2D in October or November.

This hadn't occurred to me, but you're quite right -- they wouldn't bump them to replace them with slower Meroms -- quite aside from the cost issues involved.

I think a simultaneous launch of Merom on both notebook lines is relatively unlikely, but still a lot more likely than this approach.

 

[Multimedia]

Never Sell Your Quad G5 • Keep It For Life

I've been following this and other threads on the possibility of Apple switching the 17" MPB over to C2D. I currently use a G5 Quad for Photo and other work. I got the Quad because neither my 1GHZ G4 nor 1.5GHZ Powerbook could handle Aperture. I shoot in raw format with a couple of Nikon D200 and a D70s, and Aperture on the Quad handles the work well.

Because of severe space limitations in my house, I am thinking of selling the Quad and going to a 17" MBP if it comes out in C2D and the C2D compares favorably in performance to the G5 Quad. That would help a bit with the crowding, reduce my electric bill a lot, and considerably lower the temperature in the room (the G5 Quad and UPS are both real heaters - Gotta have computers on UPS in Hawaii or they become doorstops). Does anyone think this is a viable solution?

Thanks,

Leo

I sure DON'T. Giving up the Quad for a C2D Mac is like giving up water for vodka. I am one of your fellow Quad bretheren and you have got to be out of your cotten picking mind to sell your Quad. The G5 Quad is probably one of the greatest Macs to ever be offered to the public. No matter what Apple & Intel come up with, I will NEVER sell my Quad G5. It's a keeper in my opinion.

No matter how favorably the 17" C2D MBP compares to the Quad G5 for Aperature performance, and I like you plan on buying the same model, there is always going to be a place in my life for the original unbeatable Quad G5. It is both incredibly reliable and dead silent. The RAM is cheap and I amy even buy another one down the line. At the very least it's a great TV recorder and file compression tool.

I understand you have a heat and power consumption problem. Let's just say, if you decide to sell it, please IM me about that.

 

[oneighturbo]

You couldn't buy the new 80GB iPod at the new lower price of only $349? Man you are buying an obsolete inferior iPod. That is plain lame short sightedness.

If I were you I would phone back and insist on the new 80GB model for sure.

hey now, lame short sitedness anyways you only get the choice of a 30/60GB with edu discount.

and in the end, $120 is better for my wallet

 

[50548]

I sure DON'T. Giving up the Quad for a C2D Mac is like giving up water for vodka.

I agree about the Quad G5, must be a great machine indeed, as my iMac G5 is...but I thought it would be the opposite...I wouldn't give up VODKA for water...

 

[jellomizer]

Staying Competitive.

But why would Apple leave the C2D out of the MacBook when for the same price they could simply drop one in and compete with the many other consumer portable PCs that also ship with C2D?

From the sounds of things this is just wishful thinking on MBP buyers parts that the MacBook will be specced lower still than the Pro to further justify their purchase of such an expensive notebook.

C2D is no more expensive than the CD and there is already sufficient distinction between the MacBook and Pro lines. Why needlessly punish us MacBook buyers who need a notebook, can't afford a Pro but don't want to buy a revision that is clearly at the end of it's lifespan?

MacBook are the old iBooks. They were designed to be the more affordable model at the cost of performance. The C2D is more expensive then the CD, as well the performance gains are rather small ranges between 10-25% faster. (This seems like a lot of speed but for more normal computing usage the CPU is idle for most of the time, for the things that MacBooks are designed for the speed increase wont be worth the price). The MacBook Pro on the other hand are considered portable workstations and are designed to handle more diverse and demanding jobs, and people are willing to pay more for it, because the really need it (or want it). Right now Apple is making better margins on MacBooks then MacBook Pros.

 

[Theresa]

A couple of comments - I ordered 5 MacBook Pros at work a week ago Wednesday and they were delivered this Thursday . I tried putting off the order but one person's hard drive died so I needed to place the order.

I personally ordered a MacBook 2 days ago (Friday morning) BTO - I ordered the black model. My ship date is Sept 26th. I ordered part of the iPod education order.

 

[atlendor]

Agreed. It's a nice keyboard, but the Macbook keyboard wouldn't look nice in the MBP at all.

I'm thinking it's just going to be a processor upgrade. Maybe larger HD capacities and a magnetic latch if we're lucky.

I agree. But I'm still hoping that Apple will launch an 11" MBP at some point in the future, perhaps to compete with the likes of Sony. That would be cool.

 

[sixth]

Here is my opinion..

Silent upgrade this Tuesday and have the units on display at photokina...just like they did with the Imac.. We shall see, but i am ready for this week or next week.

 

[HecubusPro]

MovieCutter told me that there is negligible difference in performance between the 5400 and 7200 high capacity dirves and that the 120GB 5400 is a better way to go - lower heat, higher capacity, lower power draw. I'm hoping the top models have a 160GB Seagate inside.

If there is no easy access HD bay in the new 17" 2.33GHz C2D MBP I will not buy one of these and opt for a 2GHz C2D MacBook when it ships or wait for the next 17" MBP revision. I feel so strongly about wanting this feature that I refuse to buy a mobile Mac without it.

Man, I really envy your resolve, Multi. I'm just hoping they do institute the easy access drive bay so I can at least get what I want later without having to worry about rotten apple (heh) return policies. I've had my eye on that MBP for several months now, and I don't think there's anything that's going to keep me from getting my hands on one as soon as the update happens.

Here's hoping we get what we want.

 

[tekmoe]

Man, I really envy your resolve, Multi. I'm just hoping they do institute the easy access drive bay so I can at least get what I want later without having to worry about rotten apple (heh) return policies. I've had my eye on that MBP for several months now, and I don't think there's anything that's going to keep me from getting my hands on one as soon as the update happens.

Here's hoping we get what we want.

I'm on the same side of the fence as Multimedia. For the longest time I have always wondered why Apple has made it extremely difficult to replace a hard drive in their notebooks. It has never made sense to me. With the new Macbooks they have fixed that issue. If the MBP's do not incorporate this "new feature", I probably will not be purchasing one. It drives me mad that Apple makes you send the laptop in to have a freakin' hard drive replaced. Complete nonsense.

Hard drives are usually the first component of any computer to fail. It is one of the VERY FEW components that contains moving parts. Get with it Apple!

 

[Machead III]

Interesting. You insult me by implication, I comment on it and you respond by insulting me again -- directly, this time. I suggest you open a charm school, I'm sure it'd be a huge hit.

Whatever you say poindexter.

 

[tekmoe]

lol...c'mon guys, all us mac users are sposed to get along.

 

[gkhaldi]

Specs ?

My wish list

160 GB drive
4 GB memory !!!!!

I seem to be the only one who needs this (now more then ever since I'm actively using parallels for application testing).

Please Apple, give me 4GB of ram

 

[HecubusPro]

I'm on the same side of the fence as Multimedia. For the longest time I have always wondered why Apple has made it extremely difficult to replace a hard drive in their notebooks. It has never made sense to me. With the new Macbooks they have fixed that issue. If the MBP's do not incorporate this "new feature", I probably will not be purchasing one. It drives me mad that Apple makes you send the laptop in to have a freakin' hard drive replaced. Complete nonsense.

Hard drives are usually the first component of any computer to fail. It is one of the VERY FEW components that contains moving parts. Get with it Apple!

I agree 100% with this feature being included in the next update, and will be severely disappointed if they don't allow us to change out HDD's easily. It's not going to prevent me from buying the MBP when it updates, but it would shock me if apple didn't at least make this change. There are a few other things I'd want from the update, but this is probably the biggest.

 

[gmckenzi]

My wish list

160 GB drive
4 GB memory !!!!!

I seem to be the only one who needs this (now more then ever since I'm actively using parallels for application testing).

Please Apple, give me 4GB of ram

You're not the only one. For me, getting over the 2Gb barrier is a must; and for the same reason too...I need to be able to run Parallels and devote at least 1.5Gb to the Windows session without strangling the life out of my OSX side. I'll pay the premium -- it will still be cheaper than buying a carrying two noteboooks (one Windows, one OSX).

 

[ChickenSwartz]

You're not the only one. For me, getting over the 2Gb barrier is a must; and for the same reason too...I need to be able to run Parallels and devote at least 1.5Gb to the Windows session without strangling the life out of my OSX side. I'll pay the premium -- it will still be cheaper than buying a carrying two noteboooks (one Windows, one OSX).

I think 4GB will be pushing it in a laptop, atleast in a Mac. That is, if you want 4x1GB. This will take up space and make more heat. We have all seen Apple's opinion on space and heat. However, it might not too far of a stretch for Apple to quietly make the MBP compatable with 2x2GB as far as power, etc., but not officiallty offer that.

 

[gmckenzi]

I think 4GB will be pushing it in a laptop, atleast in a Mac. That is, if you want 4x1GB. This will take up space and make more heat. We have all seen Apple's opinion on space and heat. However, it might not too far of a stretch for Apple to quietly make the MBP compatable with 2x2GB as far as power, etc., but not officiallty offer that.

I'm not fussy about how I get over 2Gb, as long as I do.