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MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?
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Maybe it just takes like 1000 posts in this thread for Apple to release the C2D... 
This is a critical point, because if it's not Monday or Tuesday, then I fear it won't be for awhile. I suppose it could just be a minor site update/news release, but that seems to silent for one of their best selling products.
I'm actually anticipating nothing will happen. My reasoning is this: if I expect a whole bunch, and they undeliver/don't deliver, then I'm all pissed off I have to wait longer. If I assume it will be nothing, and they announce it, then I'll have a very nice surprise.
I'm a switcher... and it really sucks having made the decision in June and not being able to act on such a decision yet. So for me, I really couldn't care less if the case stays the same, they bury the hard drive even further in, and there's no GeForce 293840234 in it. Point being, I'm waiting for 64 bit. I'll use 64 bit a lot more than I'll use an easily swappable hard drive. I'm actually having trouble determining why everyone has such hard-on for that feature. How often do you NEED to physically
access the hard drive? Buy the biggest one you can, get some Torx screwdrivers, download the factory service manual, pour yourself a glass of Jack Daniels to steady your hands, and have at it. Granted, I've never attempted it, but I would think as long as you are careful and take your time, you should be fine.
I can see that if doing that voids the warranty, then I can see more clearly. Even still, won't an Apple Care Tech put one in for a fee (officially or non-officially)?
The other strange request I keep hearing everywhere is the keyboard. Is the backlit keyboard not good enough? Coming from NEVER using a backlit keyboard other than a Treo, I think that's a great thing. What's the big deal about the MacBook keyboard that people want it on the MBP?
This is a critical point, because if it's not Monday or Tuesday, then I fear it won't be for awhile. I suppose it could just be a minor site update/news release, but that seems to silent for one of their best selling products.
I'm actually anticipating nothing will happen. My reasoning is this: if I expect a whole bunch, and they undeliver/don't deliver, then I'm all pissed off I have to wait longer. If I assume it will be nothing, and they announce it, then I'll have a very nice surprise.
I'm a switcher... and it really sucks having made the decision in June and not being able to act on such a decision yet. So for me, I really couldn't care less if the case stays the same, they bury the hard drive even further in, and there's no GeForce 293840234 in it. Point being, I'm waiting for 64 bit. I'll use 64 bit a lot more than I'll use an easily swappable hard drive. I'm actually having trouble determining why everyone has such hard-on for that feature. How often do you NEED to physically
access the hard drive? Buy the biggest one you can, get some Torx screwdrivers, download the factory service manual, pour yourself a glass of Jack Daniels to steady your hands, and have at it. Granted, I've never attempted it, but I would think as long as you are careful and take your time, you should be fine.
I can see that if doing that voids the warranty, then I can see more clearly. Even still, won't an Apple Care Tech put one in for a fee (officially or non-officially)?
The other strange request I keep hearing everywhere is the keyboard. Is the backlit keyboard not good enough? Coming from NEVER using a backlit keyboard other than a Treo, I think that's a great thing. What's the big deal about the MacBook keyboard that people want it on the MBP?
So? What is it going to be? What are the odds? WilliamHill could've made a fortune off the people in this forum
Seriously, though, I hope for some release in the near future. Maybe tomorrow -- who knows.
Seriously, though, I hope for some release in the near future. Maybe tomorrow -- who knows.
Multimedia,
You made mention of the MacBook not getting a big deal when announced, but when it came time for you to preach your design history, you conveniently left out the iBook which was introduced in its "white chicklet" form factor on May 1, 2001, and has essentially remained that way ever since. That's what — over 5 years?
You cannot call the MacBook a radical redesign; sure it got a wide screen, newish keyboard, and removed the mechanical latch for a magnetic one; but all-in-all, it's essentially the same form factor, right down the hinge design and port placement.
Look, this is Apple here. They have been gracefully and gently migrating their design styling over the years. Look at how many iterations of the original El-Capitain there were — Blueberry, Graphite, Quicksilver, and Mirrored-Doors.
I guess it depends on what you call radical!
What I would expect from a new MacBook Pro in order of likelihood (realistically):
— Core2 Duo
— FW 800 on the 15-inch model
— Dual-layer 8x SuperDrive on 15-inch model
— Removeable hard drive bay
— Magnetic Latch
— Anodized Black Aluminum
If you think that Apple is going to keep quiet on a new MacBook Pro as not to offend previous owners, then you are on crack. Apple's marketing gurus would never cede itself to diminishing the impact of a new product in the marketplace just because someone bought a model the day before. Two words for them — price protection.
Again, I don't think Apple is going to announce completely re-designed soup-to-nuts MacBook Pros in Cologne, Germany. I have been through this far too often to know that I am more than likely right, but hoping too deep down that I am wrong and Multimedia and others are right!
You made mention of the MacBook not getting a big deal when announced, but when it came time for you to preach your design history, you conveniently left out the iBook which was introduced in its "white chicklet" form factor on May 1, 2001, and has essentially remained that way ever since. That's what — over 5 years?
You cannot call the MacBook a radical redesign; sure it got a wide screen, newish keyboard, and removed the mechanical latch for a magnetic one; but all-in-all, it's essentially the same form factor, right down the hinge design and port placement.
Look, this is Apple here. They have been gracefully and gently migrating their design styling over the years. Look at how many iterations of the original El-Capitain there were — Blueberry, Graphite, Quicksilver, and Mirrored-Doors.
I guess it depends on what you call radical!
What I would expect from a new MacBook Pro in order of likelihood (realistically):
— Core2 Duo
— FW 800 on the 15-inch model
— Dual-layer 8x SuperDrive on 15-inch model
— Removeable hard drive bay
— Magnetic Latch
— Anodized Black Aluminum
If you think that Apple is going to keep quiet on a new MacBook Pro as not to offend previous owners, then you are on crack. Apple's marketing gurus would never cede itself to diminishing the impact of a new product in the marketplace just because someone bought a model the day before. Two words for them — price protection.
Again, I don't think Apple is going to announce completely re-designed soup-to-nuts MacBook Pros in Cologne, Germany. I have been through this far too often to know that I am more than likely right, but hoping too deep down that I am wrong and Multimedia and others are right!
unstatusthequo said:
I haven't heard this from many people, but I will be pissed if it happens. I hate the Macbook keyboard. I'm happy that there is a choice between the two, and if they make the MBPs uniform with the new keyboard, I'll be buying a refurbished Powerbook instead.
azeteg said:This thread is insane. Almost 1000 posts about a laptop CPU upgrade
I sold my Powerbook G4 1.5GHz 4 days ago, in faith of an apple launch the 25th or 26th. Now I am laptopless. Something I haven't been for a long, long time.
Speaking with my friends at the local Apple Store, I believe that there (sadly) won't be any Merom updates at all for the Macbook Pro's. They told me that they still have 20 MBP's (lowest model) in stock, and when Apple has a new product launch - stock has always been depleted before the new machine is announced.
If Apple decides to release an update to the MBP tomorrow I think we will ONLY see an announcement of C2D MBP's. No other spec changes. Sadly.
-- writing this at my gf's 12" PB --
Also, nothing from Apple Insider or Think Secret... usually Apple Insider has something by now...
I agree, I don't need it at all. The only use I see would have a couple of different "machines" with different apps/system-setup etc and carrying several drives with me on location and just swap drives. I'd never do it though, I'd rather get an external drive.unstatusthequo said:
Nobody wants this. I say nobody because I do not want to consider the opinion of someone that wants the Macbook Pro's keyboard downgraded...unstatusthequo said:
I just want a new processor, hopefully som more resolution, maybe a new gfx-card if theres something much better out there, and the possibility for 3-4 gb RAM would be nice, it's kinda needed for several big apps and heavy duty work..
anarchaeologist said:
Hear hear, the macbook keyboard is noisy for one and its not as smooth to type on.
I sure hope they release this thing tomorrow as i start school tomorrow and definately need a laptop. Whilst i dont need 64 bit computing yet, i dont want to get something only to have it obsolete in a week. I do however want a FW800 port, at least one more USB port and DL Superdrive. Magnetic latching wont hurt either. Also make the thing run cooler.
daneoni said:
With such a "love it or hate it" type of keyboard, I think it's really smart of them to have left the MBPs with the classic keyboard so that if you're of the "hate it" persuasion, you can still get a keyboard you'll be comfortable with, even if it's a bit more expensive.
Besides the C2D, my own wish list is very short and goes like so:
- Magnetic latch
- Swappable hard drive!
Replacing the drive in my 12'' PBook was one of the most ridiculous excursions into hardware I've ever been forced into. Bleh.
DHagan4755 & I Completely Agree, Yet He Thinks It's Not A Radical Redesign While I Do
As for the quiet or press conference introduction, I really don't care how they do it. They are still going to get a ton of press and word of mouth publicity either way. If you think that the above feature set can be accomplished without a completely re-designed soup-to-nuts model, then you are on something more powerful than crack - and I DON'T DO DRUGS.
Agreed and corrected. I do think the MacBook is a RADICAL redesign of the White iBook consumer laptop. I don't see any resemblance to the White iBook at all. The keyboard is radically different, the screen is radically different, the insides are radically different including the easy access HD Bay. Magnetic latch.DHagan4755 said:
I don't see it as the same design at all. I can't understand why you do. Oh I see what you mean - they are both White.DHagan4755 said:
Yeah no kidding. Looks to me you have to have a different product before you think it's a radical redesign although that's what I think each of these incarnations are.DHagan4755 said:
Which is exactly what I expect realistially. WE AGREE completely. I think all that is a radical redesign.DHagan4755 said:
But you just said you did in your list above.DHagan4755 said:
As for the quiet or press conference introduction, I really don't care how they do it. They are still going to get a ton of press and word of mouth publicity either way. If you think that the above feature set can be accomplished without a completely re-designed soup-to-nuts model, then you are on something more powerful than crack - and I DON'T DO DRUGS. I really think Apple should take a look at the pointing solution that the Thinkpads have as well. The best trackpad/buttons I have ever used. I switched from a T40 to the PB G4 2 years ago, and I really miss the good, fast,accurate trackpad. Also, putting a few more keys (delete, insert etc) wouldn't hurt, even though I'm kinda of used to the fiddly Fn+[whatever]commands...
My list of what I would like to see fixed:
1. C2D
2. Trackpad
3. Extra keys
4. FW800 port
5. More rigid latch / Mag-solution
6. HD bay
My list of what I would like to see fixed:
1. C2D
2. Trackpad
3. Extra keys
4. FW800 port
5. More rigid latch / Mag-solution
6. HD bay
Adding Easy Access HD Bay Leads To A Radical Re-Design By Definition
I agree with your modest wish list too. But to my way of thinking, when they have to redesign for the accessable HD, that is where the Radical Re-Design comes in. In order to make the HD accessable, by definition, they MUST make a radical redesign that can also include a way to make the computer much cooler as well as a new port system including an eSATA port which is due IMHO.anarchaeologist said:
Trackpoint is an IBM (Lenovo?) technology, so there's little chance that Apple would license it for their portable line. A shame, really, because I'd rather have that than having to do finger-ballet over the touchpad.azeteg said:
CPTMONK said:
Not all apple stores carried the 24" iMac when it was announced. Some didn't get it for several days.
Am3822 said:
But I sure as hell wouldn't want to be without the two finger on the trackpad to scroll and right clicking feature. No thanks, keep the design clean please.
Easy replaceable hard drive bay is not on my priority list. That will totally screw up the cleanliness of the design. If you want a bigger hard drive then order one with it!
Easy Acces HD Bay Is Not For One Time HD Change But Rather For Daily Changes
The easy access HD Bay should lead to a new design that makes the computer much cooler as well. Where did you get the idea that this bay "will totally screw up the cleanliness of the design? It certainly didn't screw up the MacBooks design at all. I don't understand your meaning.
It's not so we can put in a bigger drive. It's so we can have a set of multiple drives for different projects in the field that we can easily swap out on a daily basis.Pressure said:
The easy access HD Bay should lead to a new design that makes the computer much cooler as well. Where did you get the idea that this bay "will totally screw up the cleanliness of the design? It certainly didn't screw up the MacBooks design at all. I don't understand your meaning.
Pressure said:
I'm sorry, but that reasoning is ridiculous. On my Pbook G4 1.33 which shipped with an 80 gig, the drive failed after the warranty was up and I had to replace it myself or be without the computer- in the middle of archaeology field season, when I was living in a tent about 500 miles from the nearest Apple store and needed my GPS software every single day.
It's a BIG DEAL to make the hard drive accessible for that reason, especially for people who can't afford to be without their laptop at all, and it's really stupid that the Macbook Pro is poorly designed on that front, especially just to preserve percieved "design cleanliness."
It's even stupider when you consider that the "lower end" model actually has a much better design in this case.generik said:
I thought you were buying a PC...
Regardless, do you even own the product which you refer to?
Multimedia said:
So it's like using an external drive although in a clumsier way?
You know that the majority will want it so they can put in a larger drive.
Although I can see you have a genuine use for it and a good point. Not sure how fantastic the option to open your notebook in the middle of the field and changing the hard drive out really is, I am sure a handful of people would use it. Say, 5-7?
The MacBook has it but I don't hear stories about people doing it . . .
anarchaeologist said:
So you always carry around an extra hard drive, in case an accident like you described happens? Or a screen? Or extra ram? Or an extra logic board?
I can see Apple needs to rethink their target-group. We better call Mr. Jobs and explain to him that the majority of users buying MacBook Pros are anarchaeologist that live in a tent 500 miles from everywhere.
Granted, no pun intended but your reasoning is as flawed as mine then.
Update: I wonder who gets the next post...the magic one-thousand.