MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?

[Multimedia]

Hard Drive Bay Troll Continues Irrational Argument

So it's like using an external drive although in a clumsier way?

How is swapping out HDs inside clumsier than having to have an external drive hooked to a port with the danger of it coming disconnected in the middle of a project? I have been there done that and it is incredibly clumsy.

You know that the majority will want it so they can put in a larger drive.

That is one of many reasons, certainly not the only one. What about just good old fashioned Hard Drive Failure?

Although I can see you have a genuine use for it and a good point. Not sure how fantastic the option to open your notebook in the middle of the field and changing the hard drive out really is, I am sure a handful of people would use it. Say, 5-7?

The MacBook has it but I don't hear stories about people doing it . . .

Please. You need to read something somewhere before you can percieve the obvious? I am sure there are many thousands of professionals who will use this feature to swap out multiple project drives. In fact it is probably already happening among professionals who have adopted the MacBook as their field platform. Your perception of the market is bizarre at best.

 

[tekmoe]

hard drives are one of the first components to fail in any computer, whether it is a laptop, desktop, or server. being able to replace it yourself rather than having to send the stupid thing in makes SO MUCH MORE sense. Pressure, have you ever even replaced a hard drive in a computer before? doesn't sound like it seeing how you are giving people a hard time about wanting the new mbp's to have easily replacable hard drives.

 

[Pressure]

How is swapping out HDs inside clumsier than having to have an external drive hooked to a port with the danger of it coming disconnected in the middle of a project? I have been there done that and it is incredibly clumsy.That is one of many reasons, certainly not the only one. What about just good old fashioned Hard Drive Failure?Please. You need to read something somewhere before you can percieve the obvious? I am sure there are many thousands of professionals who will use this feature to swap out multiple project drives.

Yeah well, I could be yanking your arm, right?

I can see the use of it but I for one wouldn't be let down if it wasn't included.

The tell-tale sign of why it would be included is, of course, that the MacBook has it.

I, as much as everyone else here, really want the MacBook Pro to be updated tomorrow. A major overhaul or a less one is fine by me.

 

[Pressure]

hard drives are one of the first components to fail in any computer, whether it is a laptop, desktop, or server. being able to replace it yourself rather than having to send the stupid thing in makes SO MUCH MORE sense. Pressure, have you ever even replaced a hard drive in a computer before? doesn't sound like it seeing how you are giving people a hard time about wanting the new mbp's to have easily replacable hard drives.

I am not giving them a hard time, I am merely pointing out that it isn't a deal-breaker to me.

And yes, thank you for asking, I have replaced hard drives in a computer before. I am also one of those playing with Engineering Samples from Intel, slabbing big compressors on the processor to reach sub-zero temperatures and overclocking my machines till they die.

Sure, I'll take the swappable hard drive bay but I would much rather have a FireWire800 port or eSATA. But first and foremost, I think most here will agree, I want Core 2 Duo.

 

[HecubusPro]

Regardless, do you even own the product which you refer to?

I don't think I agree with this statement at all. Are you saying that people should only be able to comment on a product they own?

Regardless, I'm beginning to think that, while I would love to have the easy access HDD bay, it's not going to be that big of a deal in the long run, especially since laptop drives at this point aren't that big anyway (as informed to me by Multimedia yesterday... thanks for that info btw, Multi.) Now, if they offered a 250gb laptop drive, you can bet I'd get one right away and trade it out for the stock MBP drive, but if it's only 30 or 40gb's difference, I'm not going to sweat it that much.

I had already planned on buying an external drive or two to at least get me up to half a terabyte anyway, so a 160gb internal drive on my laptop isn't going to be a huge difference for the ammount of stuff I have anyway.

Still, I think apple definitely should implement that feature in the upcoming c2d MBP. There's no reason I can fathom as to why they would not.

 

[Pressure]

I don't think I agree with this statement at all. Are you saying that people should only be able to comment on a product they own?

Not at all, I refer to the fact that Mr. Generik seems to have a hard time deciding whether or not he thinks Apple is crap or God. Or whether he should buy a PC or a Mac.

Sure, I'll take the easy accessible hard drive bay but it's not important to me.

 

[anarchaeologist]

hard drives are one of the first components to fail in any computer, whether it is a laptop, desktop, or server. being able to replace it yourself rather than having to send the stupid thing in makes SO MUCH MORE sense.

This is why I am COMPLETELY BAFFLED by the decision to include the easy-access bay in the MB but not the MBP. If they didn't both have it, I could expect the low end of the range to be without such a desirable feature, not the high-end pro model.

*crosses fingers* If they change the drive bay, I am buying one immediately. If not... I might have to go for a tricked-out MB and give up on the graphics card.

Oh Apple, why do you force me into these decisions?

 

[Pressure]

This is why I am COMPLETELY BAFFLED by the decision to include the easy-access bay in the MB but not the MBP. If they didn't both have it, I could expect the low end of the range to be without such a desirable feature, not the high-end pro model.

*crosses fingers* If they change the drive bay, I am buying one immediately. If not... I might have to go for a tricked-out MB and give up on the graphics card.

Oh Apple, why do you force me into these decisions?

I am sure they do, seeing as how the MacBook has it. It would only make sense.

I didn't mean to disrespect your certain area of expertise and I can fully understand why you would want it.

 

[Multimedia]

T-Minus 20 Hours And Counting . . .

Well I can see we are all getting a little bit gimpy by now. I see that I can't leave my seat because I think that by staying here, it will happen faster.

So we have several camps.

• Will look the same
• Will look different
• Will have Easy Access HD Bay like MB
• Will not have that bay
• Will just have C2D difference
• Will have C2D Plus A Lot More Changes
• Can't Wait
• Will Wait and then some
• Will run cooler
• Will run hotter
• Love Macs
• Hate Macs

 

[Reach]

I can see Apple needs to rethink their target-group. We better call Mr. Jobs and explain to him that the majority of users buying MacBook Pros are anarchaeologist that live in a tent 500 miles from everywhere.

lol Funniest thus far! And same view on swappable HD, I don't really care, but of course I wouldn't complain if it comes.

I do however know that I would not constantly swap HD's, just out of fear that it would break something. I prefer letting the intestines be, apart from stuffing some RAM in there when i get it!

Anyway, *fingers crossed*, hope we get something tomorrow!

 

[generik]

I thought you were buying a PC...

Regardless, do you even own the product which you refer to?

Speak for yourself first

and yes, if anything I owned a sweltering PBG4 before. Nice hand warmer in the winter aye?

So it's like using an external drive although in a clumsier way?
You know that the majority will want it so they can put in a larger drive.

Although I can see you have a genuine use for it and a good point. Not sure how fantastic the option to open your notebook in the middle of the field and changing the hard drive out really is, I am sure a handful of people would use it. Say, 5-7?

The MacBook has it but I don't hear stories about people doing it . . .

Who are you to dictate what Multimedia should and should not do with the MBP? Oh, and by the way, have you owned a Macbook? Here's news, apart from the PBG4 I mentioned earlier, I owned a Macbook too as well!

Wow, perhaps I actually *gasp* have more hands on experience with Macs than someone who just walks into shops, touch it a little, and thinks he is a Mac user.

FYI, the easy access HD panel is right besides the battery in the battery compartment. In case you still don't get it, it does not affect the "cleanliness" of design that non-PC-using people and females appreciate. Notice I left out males in that list

So you always carry around an extra hard drive, in case an accident like you described happens? Or a screen? Or extra ram? Or an extra logic board?

Hey, not everyone is like you... but yes, people do appreciate the ability to change a hard drive without involving the top keyboard cover, the optical drive, and all of their family and friends.

I can see Apple needs to rethink their target-group. We better call Mr. Jobs and explain to him that the majority of users buying MacBook Pros are anarchaeologist that live in a tent 500 miles from everywhere.

So... guess you never tried a hand on upgrading a computer at all?

What if you work on classified data/writing a research paper/tons of other reasons why you want to keep your data safe, and happen to need to send your computer in for servicing?

Sorry, but Apple's "Oh don't worry, nothing will happen to it!" does not jibe with me. Incidentally Thinkpad's technicians recognise this and they will remove your hard drive, right before your eyes, in your presence, should you request it. Read the earlier bit about involving every other component's family and friends again, doesn't seem so easy to do that on a counter now doesn't it?

These boys play with the enterprise, they know enterprise. Apple can stick with clean lines and effeminate designs if they so desire, perhaps we should call Jobs on that too, he seems quite out of the loop on how his products are doing in big business, oh wait... they are non existent.

Save your sarcasm to yourself, and just so you know, there are sheep, and there are people who dislike being told what to and what not to do with their things. You may be the former, but don't assume those of the latter to be the same as you.

Edit: while you are at it why not remove the memory upgrade latch? Better still make it an internal battery too, and eliminate every last line from the outter case! And get rid of the ports too, and maybe put in some proprietary wireless USB transmitter into the casing that communicates with an external wireless port replicator. Where exactly will you draw the line then?

Form > Function may be for you, but hey, hands up for anyone else who had their iPod run out of juice in the middle of a long flight, and wonder why the heck they didn't put in replaceable batteries on that thing.

 

[anarchaeologist]

Hey, not everyone is like you... but yes, people do appreciate the ability to change a hard drive without involving the top keyboard cover, the optical drive, and all of their family and friends.

Sorry, but Apple's "Oh don't worry, nothing will happen to it!" does not jibe with me.

Precisely. My example - being physically unable to bring in the lappy for servicing - is an extreme one, but it's simply convenient to be able to switch your own hard drive when it fails or just when you want to work on something different. It's no more pleasant to invade your computer with a complete set of hex wrenches and the fortitude of several men when you're in your own living room than it is to do in a tent. *shrug*

I think that Apple is really not thinking of a large part of their target market on this one, actually, as most Apple users I know like to do their own tinkering and replacing (YMMV). Especially with "most likely to fail" component on any machine, it oughtn't to take the removal of 40 screws to replace.

 

[iGary]

It certainly didn't screw up the MacBooks design at all

Considering you have to remove the battery and pluck the thing out from underneath... hardly "easy access."

In fact it is probably already happening among professionals who have adopted the MacBook as their field platform. Your perception of the market is bizarre at best.

As you would say: Please. If you think that anyone who makes a living with a laptop is going to rip the battery out and swap drives out multiple times a day in the field, or even once a day, your perception of the market is bizarre (and wrong as usual) at best.

How is swapping out HDs inside clumsier than having to have an external drive hooked to a port with the danger of it coming disconnected in the middle of a project? I have been there done that and it is incredibly clumsy.

Or you are incredibly clumsy, more likely.

 

[generik]

Some may argue that Macs are the best things that can happen to the PC industry, but remember how early Macs have even their memory modules soldered on?

If anything, had Apple had their way they'd be the worst thing to happen to us consumers as a whole, good thing there is competition.

 

[generik]

Considering you have to remove the battery and pluck the thing out from underneath... hardly "easy access."



If you think that anyone who makes a living with a laptop is going to rip the battery out and swap drives out multiple times a day in the field, your perception ofthe market is bizarre at best.

Well he can PROBABLY buy multiple trays from some place like iFixIt, and then leave the cover strip unscrewed on, and have the hard drives premounted on the trays and "ready to go" within seconds...

 

[Pressure]

Speak for yourself first

and yes, if anything I owned a sweltering PBG4 before. Nice hand warmer in the winter aye?

<crawls to the cross and confess> I already have a MacBook Pro and had a MacBook for 38 days while my MacBook Pro was in for repairs. Another story

Who are you to dictate what Multimedia should and should not do with the MBP? Oh, and by the way, have you owned a Macbook? Here's news, apart from the PBG4 I mentioned earlier, I owned a Macbook too as well!

Wow, perhaps I actually *gasp* have more hands on experience with Macs than someone who just walks into shops, touch it a little, and thinks he is a Mac user.

FYI, the easy access HD panel is right besides the battery in the battery compartment. In case you still don't get it, it does not affect the "cleanliness" of design that non-PC-using people and females appreciate. Notice I left out males in that list

I know, I had the product.

Hey, not everyone is like you... but yes, people do appreciate the ability to change a hard drive without involving the top keyboard cover, the optical drive, and all of their family and friends.

I understand this.

So... guess you never tried a hand on upgrading a computer at all?

Please read one of my prior posts. I 'play' with hardware on a daily basis. Just not my Mac.

What if you work on classified data/writing a research paper/tons of other reasons why you want to keep your data safe, and happen to need to send your computer in for servicing?

Sorry, but Apple's "Oh don't worry, nothing will happen to it!" does not jibe with me. Incidentally Thinkpad's technicians recognise this and they will remove your hard drive, right before your eyes, in your presence, should you request it. Read the earlier bit about involving every other component's family and friends again, doesn't seem so easy to do that on a counter now doesn't it?

These boys play with the enterprise, they know enterprise. Apple can stick with clean lines and effeminate designs if they so desire, perhaps we should call Jobs on that too, he seems quite out of the loop on how his products are doing in big business, oh wait... they are non existent.

Save your sarcasm to yourself, and just so you know, there are sheep, and there are people who dislike being told what to and what not to do with their things. You may be the former, but don't assume those of the latter to be the same as you.

Edit: while you are at it why not remove the memory upgrade latch? Better still make it an internal battery too, and eliminate every last line from the outter case! And get rid of the ports too, and maybe put in some proprietary wireless USB transmitter into the casing that communicates with an external wireless port replicator. Where exactly will you draw the line then?

Form > Function may be for you, but hey, hands up for anyone else who had their iPod run out of juice in the middle of a long flight, and wonder why the heck they didn't put in replaceable batteries on that thing.

Multimedia said it, we are all getting a bit overly anxious here

Although I do like stirring up the pot

Update: All this fuss over a user replaceable hard drive heh. Oh the drama.

 

[Foggy]

I have swapped out the HDD of pretty much every laptop I have ever owned at one point or another. The first thing I ever buy is a spare that I get loaded and configured ready incase the original goes tits up (ok, to be fair that is generally because I run windows laptops and who knows when it is going to decide to randomly corrupt itself) as I dont generally have time to reinstall or fix it there and then. Swapping out the hdd means I can until the weekend to reload and rebuilt it. Doing it during the working day midweek isnt a financially viable option - it would cost me more than the spare drive I carry round.

Ok, I admit this isnt vital for everyone, but for an IT professional that does a lot of site visits (including trips abroad) it is very important and I would have thought that is the market of the MacBook Pro.

 

[iGary]

Well he can PROBABLY buy multiple trays from some place like iFixIt, and then leave the cover strip unscrewed on, and have the hard drives premounted on the trays and "ready to go" within seconds...

It would probably be easier to swap a drive in my Power Mac, then from a MacBook, honestly.

 

[tekmoe]

It would probably be easier to swap a drive in my Power Mac, then from a MacBook, honestly.

and guess what? the same can be said about it being easier to swap a drive in a MacBook, then from a PowerBook, iBook, or even a *gasp* MacBook Pro. much easier.

 

[mightymike107]

what... err ,, hoa, it's possible, errra, ...a hhhh , what if not tomorrow. .a~~~ . errrrr, someone.. ahh !! tell me when i can STOP waiti...ing . .. . . .

 

[fastlane1588]

just out of curiosity what happens if the mbp isnt released tomorrow? whats the likely hood of it being released. Ive been waiting since may for the new mbp, but college started in august so I decided to wait, and now im still waiting because its supposed to be right around the corner. Ive been getting excited every tuesday since the end of august, but im just wondering how likely tomorrow is.

 

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

just out of curiosity what happens if the mbp isnt released tomorrow? whats the likely hood of it being released. Ive been waiting since may for the new mbp, but college started in august so I decided to wait, and now im still waiting because its supposed to be right around the corner. Ive been getting excited every tuesday since the end of august, but im just wondering how likely tomorrow is.

I'd say Tuesday is more likely than tomorrow (I know there's an event tomorrow - I still say they wait to release it until a Tuesday). Either way, they're not going to release it unless they've got a lot of C2D chips. Why force customers who don't care about C2D to wait a month for their MBP to arrive?

 

[fastlane1588]

thats what I was afraid of

 

[tekmoe]

I'd say Tuesday is more likely than tomorrow (I know there's an event tomorrow - I still say they wait to release it until a Tuesday). Either way, they're not going to release it unless they've got a lot of C2D chips. Why force customers who don't care about C2D to wait a month for their MBP to arrive?

IMO, if they had enough chips to stick in their 'consumer' grade iMacs, they better have enough chips to stick in their 'pro' grade laptops. again, IMO.

 

[iGary]

and guess what? the same can be said about it being easier to swap a drive in a MacBook, then from a PowerBook, iBook, or even a *gasp* MacBook Pro. much easier.

And?