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MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?

tteerts said:
I think you misunderstood. I was not referring to it being "forever" for the C2D's to arrive - rather between G4 or G5 updates. I am merely a casual observer here.. not particularly in the market for a new laptop (certainly not rabid for one), but simply curious. I was merely trying to make the point that I think that the Intel cycle will be much different that the IBM/Moto cycle. I have my fingers crossed that this is a good thing, which I think it will be.
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Ok, that makes more sense.

I also agree with you on the Intel Cycle, and you bring up a great point.

We have to remember that Apple is still adjusting to the cycle of Intel chips. It may very well be that at least initially they will lag a tick with updates to Intel's latest and greatest. With the initial concerns of the original MB/MBP line, it may very well be a waiting game for even better engineering. They want to keep their cutting edge design philosophy, and aren't willing to compromise. If that's the case, and there have been even further heat concerns, then they're dealing with it I'm sure.

What this would translate into as far as time for a release is anyone's guess. However, when they finally do have an update, you know it will be a quality product. There might be a glitch here or there like the current models experienced, but they are still a sound product.

Also, as someone pointed out earlier, they are indeed now competing for chips with just about everyone else. We would like to think that Apple is at the top of the pecking order, but that very well may not be the case... yet.

While I don't know what the results were from the big Intel thing going on today, it at least sent my mind a message when Intel gave Apple the top two slots.
 
AlphaAnt said:
Nice job there, quoting an article about the Core 2 desktop processor and not about Merom.

Meroms were announced by Intel at the end of July. They were not released, however, until August 27th. The next day, dozens of laptop companies released their Merom laptops, most of which had shipping dates 2-4 weeks later. Apple is not (yet, at least) far behind.

For most of those companies, it was as simple as dropping a chip into an already existing model and chucking it out on the market. Apple is in need of a major update to a number of other things with their model, so they (hopefully) are fixing those and releasing a quality product. If you want a C2D MBP go buy a CD and a separate Merom chip and find someone to solder the C2D on in the CD's place. I, for one, am waiting around in hopes of having a working computer.
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Okay, I linked the wrong link (was looking at both Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Duo Mobile pages. Here's the right link

Still, looking at the MBP, it was announced on January 10, 2006, which was only 5 days after Yonah was released. What I was saying was that Intel obviously gives Apple chips way before schedule so that Apple can plan out everything. Apple had to switch over from PowerPC to Intel chips, and they did that in the span of 5 days. The MBP's weren't shipping until a few weeks later, but that's the same timespan as Apple has had between this current Core2Duo delay.

Apple has been correcting its problems since Day 1 when they were reported.

I'm just impatient over why nothing's been announced. I want a quality MBP just like everybody else does.
 
jfsouza said:
Huh... I wonder if Apple will update the MacBook Pro's with the Core2 Extreme quad-core processor....?
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You should stop wondering altogether.

The Core 2 Quadro (Kentsfield) is a desktop chip.
 
are there really that many problems with the current MBP? ever since i came onto these forums all i read is problems... it only represents a minority right?

*feeling queeezy about buying a MBP now*
 
New Features

Yeah, heopfully if we won't be getting the C2D MBP's anytime soon then there will at least be some upgrades in the feature set. That's my biggest reason for waiting. The speed increase isn't as important as new features. Here's my prediction based on what's been running around and what I'm hopeful for.

- Magnetic Latch
- Go 7900 GTX
- Whale Radar
- 8X DL DVD burner
- 2GB RAM standard on the 17" and 4GB total
- Argyle Sock Enhancer
- 801.11 N
- Swappable HDD
- Frenzied Midget
- Programmable Gesture Recognition (like in Black and White)
- "Mac"roorchidism
 
The best thing about no MBP's yesterday or today is that I'm more certain that there will be a new form factor. Time for another great design leap forward from Jonathan Ive.

Personally, I think that the new MBP 17" will be more sleek and black aluminum.
 
rvcontre said:
Yeah, heopfully if we won't be getting the C2D MBP's anytime soon then there will at least be some upgrades in the feature set. That's my biggest reason for waiting. The speed increase isn't as important as new features. Here's my prediction based on what's been running around and what I'm hopeful for.

- Magnetic Latch
- Go 7900 GTX
- Whale Radar
- 8X DL DVD burner
- 2GB RAM standard on the 17" and 4GB total
- Argyle Sock Enhancer
- 801.11 N
- Swappable HDD
- Frenzied Midget
- Programmable Gesture Recognition (like in Black and White)
- "Mac"roorchidism
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I don't think the 2GB RAM would come standard... Apple's RAM is expensive and I'm pretty sure they get a lot of custom configurations upping the RAM ( = $$$).

However, I think the Frenzied Midget is definitely a go. THAT's why we've been waiting so long...
 
mrdice87 said:
where were you during high school chemistry? magnesium is highly flammable, reacts with water at room temperature, and tarnishes to a dull black oxide very quickly in the presence of oxygen...

magnesium is used in the production of fireworks and marine flares...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium

:D
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By 1987, construction of a factory for their first product, the NeXTcube, was completed in Fremont. Stories about Jobs' demands for the factory and the cube are now legend,[citation needed] including the repainting of the factory several times in order to get just the right shade of gray, and the institution of a series of time-consuming changes to the production line so that the cube's expensive magnesium case would have perfect right-angle edges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT
 
jericho878 said:
The best thing about no MBP's yesterday or today is that I'm more certain that there will be a new form factor. Time for another great design leap forward from Jonathan Ive.

Personally, I think that the new MBP 17" will be more sleek and black aluminum.
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Very possible. It would stand to reason that if all there was was a bump in processor, then it would have been out with the masses and not punched into the iMac.

That being said (and I'm just speculating here), with the upcoming arch. update this spring just what if they already had a jump on it and were releasing the updated enclosure now? Then, when the time comes to update on the next round this spring, they will already be in a position to be first to the punch?

That might be wishful thinking, but not way out of line. Then again, we have no idea what Apple has in store for their next release. We can guess and hope all we want, but in the end it will be what it will be. However, I doubt it will be disappointing.
 
For me, I am waiting on the edge as a switcher just to get a faster video card, fater processor, and some of thos goodies the macbook has.
 
I scrolled though this thread.. intense!


I hope there's a redesign of the MBP too. Maybe like.. a smaller size. Honestly, I thought the 15" MBP was a 17" MBP at the store. But that might've been because it was next to a 12" iBook.
 
mightymike107 said:
after reading this http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2081 I really feel justified in anticipating MBP with C2D in the near future.

quote:
"During the brief appearance, Schiller touted Intel's new Core 2 Duo platform and discussed how Apple has been able to innovate with sleek form factors and leverage the Intel Core family of processors across its entire computing product line."
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Some things I found interesting in this:

As part of his own speech, Otellini outlined the Intel's plan to accelerate its technology leadership and told thousands of developers and engineers at the conference that advances in silicon technology will deliver new performance breakthroughs in an era of energy-efficient computing.
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That's exactly why Apple switched right there. Especially the "energy-efficient computing" note.

And for some added controversy... :D

Intel's mainstream quad-core processor will be shipped in the first quarter of 2007 and will be called the Intel Core2 Quad processor. For servers, the Quad-Core Intel Xeon processor 5300 series brand for dual processor servers will be shipped this year, and a new low-power 50-watt Quad-Core Intel Xeon processor L5310 for blade servers that will be shipped in the first quarter of 2007.
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Low power, Quad-Core Xeon targeted for blade servers.

The question is, is it thin/small enough? OK, so it's stretching it. But just what if the engineers at Apple are saying screw dual core, and ramping up for Quad-Core Xeons? They would probably generate more heat in a server usage, than a notebook. But if there was a better enclosure, it could handle it perhaps.

OK, that is way off the wall. But, isn't the mobile C2D something like 56W for power, as is the CD?

This Quad-Core is 50W, so that seems to be in line in terms of power consumption. I guess it would come down to the physical size of the chip.

Sure, it's way out there like I said, but it makes you wonder. Just maybe, Apple has a few tricks up its sleeve.

Yes, that's speculation, so don't go overboard with it. ;)
 
extraextra said:
I scrolled though this thread.. intense!


I hope there's a redesign of the MBP too. Maybe like.. a smaller size. Honestly, I thought the 15" MBP was a 17" MBP at the store. But that might've been because it was next to a 12" iBook.
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Heh, the size difference between the MacBook and MacBook Pro isn't as hefty as that. The MacBook Pro is probably still the thinnest 15.4" out there.
 
ThunderLounge said:
OK, that is way off the wall. But, isn't the mobile C2D something like 56W for power, as is the CD?

This Quad-Core is 50W, so that seems to be in line in terms of power consumption. I guess it would come down to the physical size of the chip.

Sure, it's way out there like I said, but it makes you wonder. Just maybe, Apple has a few tricks up its sleeve.

Yes, that's speculation, so don't go overboard with it. ;)
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Yonah (Core Duo) has a Thermal Design Power of 31Watt. Merom (Core 2 Duo) has a Thermal Design Power of 35Watt.

My guess is that the Low-power Quad-core is clocked at 1.60Ghz.
 
I submit! I have been following this forum thread and many others for weeks now and its become unbearable, every rumour provides yet another thin sliver of hope and yet nothing comes, paris expo, photokina and the imacs all came and went with the hype surrounding this update coming and going with them.

I have just placed my order for the top range 17inch MBP, it will arrive in about 2 weeks. If the update comes before it arrives i will cancel it, if not i dont really care. Plus the apple education site throw in a free (majority rebate) ipod and 8percent discount before october 7th, but more than anything it takes my mind off these forums and back on my studies which is the whole point of this machine really.

gain some perspective guys, dont stress yourselves.
 
Pressure said:
Yonah (Core Duo) has a Thermal Design Power of 31Watt. Merom (Core 2 Duo) has a Thermal Design Power of 35Watt.

My guess is that the Low-power Quad-core is clocked at 1.60Ghz.
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Cool. I found a PDF on Intel's site that (for some reason) listed both the CD and C2D as 56W each.

That would really smack some other manufacturer's butts though... they think Apple is lagging and then all of a sudden they go "Quad" and kill em.

Ahhh... the bliss of a pipedream. :D
 
HecubusPro said:
I just called the Century City Apple Store here in Los Angeles and asked if they had any 17" MBP's in stock. He checked and said he had 3 in stock. I asked if that was normal and he said, "No. We're running out." I asked him if they were getting another shipment soon and he told me they just received a shipment and got "a lot of stuff."

Take that as you will, because at this point I have no idea what it means.
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Good observation, HecubusPro! I hope that this "sign" will turn into something meaningful, unlike our last "leads" :( I am going to try calling up the Palo Alto Apple Store...it's a pretty big store, so if I get anything hopeful, I'll post back on here. Wish me luck :)
 
ThunderLounge said:
Cool. I found a PDF on Intel's site that (for some reason) listed both the CD and C2D as 56W each.

That would really smack some other manufacturer's butts though... they think Apple is lagging and then all of a sudden they go "Quad" and kill em.

Ahhh... the bliss of a pipedream. :D
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The low-power Quad-core is not intended for notebooks though. ;)
 
Madboots said:
gain some perspective guys, dont stress yourselves.
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But... where's the fun in that?

Isn't speculating about what's in the box sitting under the tree half the fun? :D

Hey, enjoy your new MBP. It's still a fine specimen of computing power.
Just read the couple of posts from the folks that had them sitting in the
box in their house, waiting to see if the update happened. Talk about
will power. However, they've been all smiles once they opened the box. ;)
 
ThunderLounge said:
But... where's the fun in that?

Isn't speculating about what's in the box sitting under the tree half the fun? :D

Hey, enjoy your new MBP. It's still a fine specimen of computing power.
Just read the couple of posts from the folks that had them sitting in the
box in their house, waiting to see if the update happened. Talk about
will power. However, they've been all smiles once they opened the box. ;)
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Thx mate :)
 
Pressure said:
Yonah (Core Duo) has a Thermal Design Power of 31Watt. Merom (Core 2 Duo) has a Thermal Design Power of 35Watt.

My guess is that the Low-power Quad-core is clocked at 1.60Ghz.
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Yeah, but isn't that the *heat* output, and not necessarily the power consumption?
 
Pressure said:
The low-power Quad-core is not intended for notebooks though. ;)
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I know. :(

But it's fun to dream.

Although, I'm sure they'll end up with a mobile version at some point and we'll all look back and have a laugh as the saying "that is so... dual core" comes into existance as the phrase "that's so 1995" (or whatever) has. lol

:D
 
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