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MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?

sjsharks27 said:
I was wondering what exactaly will be the exact difference between Santa Rosa and Merom?????
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Merom is the Intel codename for the C2D chip that's everyone is discussing in this thread.

Santa Rosa is the next generation architecture that the chip will run on.

Two completely different things. If you read back several pages, maybe 20 or 30 at this point, someone posted quite a nice summary about SR, and what exactly it is.



sjsharks27 said:
And do any of you have a clue to when the next POSSIBLE date for a Merom release in the MBP is?????

:confused:
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Nobody but Apple knows for sure. We're all just guessing here. Rumor's can be one thing, and generate a lot of hype. Sometimes they pan out, sometimes they don't. The running joke is "Next Tuesday", but it seems that even though it hasn't been announced yet this week, that it should be updated within about 6 weeks or so at the latest. But, that isn't from Apple either. It comes down to the fine point of Apple will announce it when they are ready, and not before. No matter how many rumors are out there. Eventually, one will be right.

The funny thing is that the "sources" reporting the recent rumor all have pretty good track records. But you know how it goes, you can't win 'em all.
 
daneoni said:
Merom is a processor, santa rosa is a platform. Kinda like Pentiume 4 (Processor) & Netburst (Platform)

MBP release should happen between now and the 26th of October as soomeon suggested.
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NetBurst was the chip arch, not the platform. NetBurst is akin to Core.

Napa consists of Yonah or Merom + i945 Express (chipset) / ICH7 + Intel 802.11g.

Santa Rosa will be Merom + Crestline (i965 express) / ICH8 + Kedron (802.11n) + Robson tech.

Both have optional integrated graphics solutions, GMA950 and X3000 respectively.
 
the way i see it...

architecture = design of the processor's internal components (ie cache, pathways, and such). the architecture is usually used to make several lines of chips, like how Core 2 is used in merom, conroe, and woodcrest.

platform = everything on the motherboard, including processor, chipset, fsb, integrated wifi, and other things. i believe the current mobile platform is napa, which will be replaced by santa rosa



edit: ergle2's description is much more thorough... and he beat me to it
 
mrdice87 said:
architecture = design of the processor's internal components (ie cache, pathways, and such). the architecture is usually used to make several lines of chips, like how Core 2 is used in merom, conroe, and woodcrest.

platform = everything on the motherboard, including processor, chipset, fsb, integrated wifi, and other things. i believe the current mobile platform is napa, which will be replaced by santa rosa
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Bingo :)

The Merom version of Napa has been referred to in some (fairly old) docs as "Napa64" but I've not seen that for a while so I'm guessing they dropped that and kept it as "Napa" even when Merom is used.
 
1st post here after reading many times. what would be the benefits of me waiting for the new Macbooks to come out. Im looking at the 2.0 GHz Macbook right now. Should I wait? This will be my first Mac.
 
tennisclay said:
1st post here after reading many times. what would be the benefits of me waiting for the new Macbooks to come out. Im looking at the 2.0 GHz Macbook right now. Should I wait? This will be my first Mac.
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The processor in current systems is the Core Duo (aka Yonah).

The Core 2 Duo Mobile (Merom) is expected to replace Yonah any day now. Merom offers ~5-20% performance improvements at roughly the same power usage, and in some rare cases over 100% improvement (SSE-heavy code).

The "biggie" for Merom is it supports EM64T, Intel's 64bit mode, which should lead to performance improvements in the future. At launch, it's highly unlikely Merom will use this but with the launch of future versions of MacOS it almost certainly will.

So, small improvements now and a potentially longer life.

Some people also think/want/hope-for other improvements, such as a better GPU etc. at the same time.

Bear in mind no-one really knows what will happen beyond it's fairly certain we'll see an MBP refresh this year with a Merom processor in it.

Should you wait? Only you can decide that really...
 
daneoni said:
MBP release should happen between now and the 26th of October as someone suggested.
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MBP release should have already been released. But I guess that is what a company that is capable of keeping up with Intel would say. And all of us on here. Apple is behind with their hardware. They sell a pro laptop at a premium price with an outdated chip. The update better be awesome. They need to at least fix the heat issue that has plaqued the Apple laptops for the last three or so years. Three years with the same problem, and what does Apple do? They keep putting hotter componets in the notebooks. If you look at it that way, maybe it is not surprising the Merom MB/P are coming out so late. I am super excited to be a switcher, I just need Apple to cure my hunger and desire. DO IT SOON!
 
I've seen two core 2 duo commercials on TV today. One at work and one at home. It's a little frustrating seeing them pimp them on tv, knowing that people can go out and get c2d machines right now, and we dutifully wait, like obedient lapdogs, for our c2d mbp's.
 
couple questions
first, Santa Rosa will be the desktop platform to, no?
second, SSE has to do with graphics processing right? like AltiVec?
 
tennisclay said:
1st post here after reading many times. what would be the benefits of me waiting for the new Macbooks to come out. Im looking at the 2.0 GHz Macbook right now. Should I wait? This will be my first Mac.
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I think for the computting you should expect from a MacBook Core Duo will be plenty. If you need I would buy, no hesitation. It might closer to thanksgiving before we see C2D in Macbooks. I highly doubt there will be any changes made to the MacBook other than the new processor, which, again, will offer a marginal increase in power, an increase that you might never see.
 
HecubusPro said:
I've seen two core 2 duo commercials on TV today. One at work and one at home. It's a little frustrating seeing them pimp them on tv, knowing that people can go out and get c2d machines right now, and we dutifully wait, like obedient lapdogs, for our c2d mbp's.
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i saw one tonight as well. "Core 2 Duo, the best processor in the world."
or something like that

Dosen't Apple claim they make the best computers? (i assume becasue ever company says their products are best :) )

So the best computers no longer have the best processors? :eek: ...:( ...:mad:
 
ChickenSwartz said:
I think for the computting you should expect from a MacBook Core Duo will be plenty. If you need I would buy, no hesitation. It might closer to thanksgiving before we see C2D in Macbooks. I highly doubt there will be any changes made to the MacBook other than the new processor, which, again, will offer a marginal increase in power, an increase that you might never see.
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so i shouldnt be affected by any future OS that much
 
tennisclay said:
so i shouldnt be affected by any future OS that much
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No. The next OS will run on both 32 and 64 bit. And, again, if you were planning on doing large scale, processor intense computting I would say hold out for the 64 bit, but I assume since you are looking at the MacBook this is not the case.
 
HecubusPro said:
I've seen two core 2 duo commercials on TV today. One at work and one at home. It's a little frustrating seeing them pimp them on tv, knowing that people can go out and get c2d machines right now, and we dutifully wait, like obedient lapdogs, for our c2d mbp's.
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Ditto. They we're even pimping them during South Park.

Nothing special about the actual commercial. It's your basic Intel chip ad with a "multiply" theme.
 
ThunderLounge said:
Ditto. They we're even pimping them during South Park.

Nothing special about the actual commercial. It's your basic Intel chip ad with a "multiply" theme.
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*sigh* why isnt' there a freaking c2d mbp on the market yet!

it's killing me.
 
My first post - on the bandwagon

Hi Everyone,

I think this board is great. The news, opinions, and humor really help me through this MBP trimester. I especially enjoyed the post about "Apple announces cure for cancer...." "well, yeah, what about the Mac Book Pro?"

So, I am a recent convert, got my Dad a Mac(Mini) which he loves, as do I, and I am waiting for the Merom MBP for myself. Hopefully it will come soon. My old Gateway notebook with Windoze XP is getting buggier and less happy every day.

Also, while we wait, it has been fun watching this threat grow. I agree that Steve probably really enjoys watching us squirm.

I also hope you all realize that if the MBP Merom were a person, we would ALL be in prison for stalking.

-waiting patiently (?),
Neuroguy

PS. I knew it was bad when part of my first day of a week in San Diego was to locate the nearest Apple store, "just in case."
 
Sure why not

Okay, I'm also excited for the Wednesday silent upgrade. After all, everyone at Apple was in Cologne for Photokina on Monday, just like when they were all away the Monday before the iMac bump.

So, yeah, I am hopeful for tomorrow. :D
 
topgun072003 said:
Does anyone want to get excited with me for the silent upgrade tomorrow? I'm not even going to buy one, I just love the excitement. :D
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The 26th has been my near-breaking point. Every day now is a struggle not to buy a MBP as it is, or be smart and buy core 2 duo laptop from someone else, or be patient (and smarter?) and wait for the C2D MBP to eventually release. I feel like an alcoholic--One Day at a Time. If I can get through today, I can get through tomorrow, and the next day, but I have to get through today first.

Yes, this is the C2D MBP support group. I am its first member. Who would like to join in solidarity with me?
 
i feel so defeated. i wake up in the morning not with the surge of adrenaline the first time MBPs were MOST likely to be announced, but instead thinking, 'eh, they're not out yet, so might as well keep the blood pressure in check.'

i had to start school without my first mac and instead got to get an eyeful of macbooks and mbps in my classes. sure, the cd mbps will be considered old once the c2d mbps come out, but they still have one and i don't :(


edit: i'll join!
 
i'll join

HecubusPro said:
The 26th has been my near-breaking point. Every day now is a struggle not to buy a MBP as it is, or be smart and buy core 2 duo laptop from someone else, or be patient (and smarter?) and wait for the C2D MBP to eventually release. I feel like an alcoholic--One Day at a Time. If I can get through today, I can get through tomorrow, and the next day, but I have to get through today first.

Yes, this is the C2D MBP support group. I am its first member. Who would like to join in solidarity with me?
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i'll be member number 2
 
sweet sweet c2d...

HecubusPro said:
Yes, this is the C2D MBP support group. I am its first member. Who would like to join in solidarity with me?
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Hello everyone, my name is Shiv and I have a problem.
 
Just think how depressed you'll be if they wait until Christmas to announce the C2D MBP. I think you need to put yourself out of the misery and get the damn laptop. The joy you receive until the announcement will offset the rougly 15% gain you are missing out on.

One lesson I have learned is that waiting for the next big thing from Apple is torture. Just get something when you want it.
 
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