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MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?

AlphaAnt said:
For most of those companies, it was as simple as dropping a chip into an already existing model and chucking it out on the market. Apple is in need of a major update to a number of other things with their model, so they (hopefully) are fixing those and releasing a quality product. If you want a C2D MBP go buy a CD and a separate Merom chip and find someone to solder the C2D on in the CD's place. I, for one, am waiting around in hopes of having a working computer.
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Really? Why would it be any easier for any company, other than Apple, to upgrade from Yonah to Merom? Since the hardware components are now virtually the same for any notebook (and desktop) manufacturer to make, there's no reason for any company to be "left behind" as Apple appears to have been! "Major upgrades" are no different for Apple, unless their engineering R & D has been smoked by the competition! When new processor chips, graphics chips, RAM and hard drive technologies are available, Apple had better damn well be able to use them, now that we're all comparing "Apples to Apples." No more blaming Moto, or IBM, for not giving Apple bleeding-edge chips - Intel's making them, and Apple's not even hinting at an upgrade!

If Dell, and others, are selling notebooks with C2D chips at 2GHz and up, and Apple can't get enough to even announce them yet, WTF? Apple got first in line for Yonah, and after that, sent to the back of the line?

And if it's the "1 inch thick" design that prevents them from upgrading, then perhaps this is a flawed design, that's leaving them in a rut, unable to "compete with the big dogs?" They've had months to work on "major upgrades," unless they somehow couldn't foresee faster, hotter processors, despite inside information from Intel, well ahead of public knowledge! Heat problems, mooing, etc. since Yonah debuted in January, and now, 8-9 months later, still no design changes? Sheesh!

I want design flaws to be worked out, too, before I plunk down $2.5-3K on a new MBP, but damn it's hard to see "all the other kiddies getting their new toys from under the tree," when all I'm getting is an IOU from our favorite fruit maker!

Throw us a bone here, Apple!

:(

iBorg
 
HecubusPro said:
The 26th has been my near-breaking point. Every day now is a struggle not to buy a MBP as it is, or be smart and buy core 2 duo laptop from someone else, or be patient (and smarter?) and wait for the C2D MBP to eventually release. I feel like an alcoholic--One Day at a Time. If I can get through today, I can get through tomorrow, and the next day, but I have to get through today first.

Yes, this is the C2D MBP support group. I am its first member. Who would like to join in solidarity with me?
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HecubusPro, you've captured what I've been feeling for the past week! It's like a heroin addict, waiting to score a fix! So many ups and downs, having excitement and anticipation building, only to feel it all come crashing down when the expected MBP upgrade fails to materialize!

Is there an Apple sponsored "12 step program" to help us deal with this? An Apple Sponsor to call when we're about to go over the edge? An Apple Crisis Hotline to call for help?

ARGHHHHHH!!!!!

:eek:

(ok, I'm done now ...... )

iBorg
 
HecubusPro said:
The 26th has been my near-breaking point. Every day now is a struggle not to buy a MBP as it is, or be smart and buy core 2 duo laptop from someone else, or be patient (and smarter?) and wait for the C2D MBP to eventually release. I feel like an alcoholic--One Day at a Time. If I can get through today, I can get through tomorrow, and the next day, but I have to get through today first.

Yes, this is the C2D MBP support group. I am its first member. Who would like to join in solidarity with me?
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Completely nailed it. Spot on, fellow. Some added pressures:
1) I have to call Applecare back and explain to them why i've been taking so long to get back to them on what configuration i want to replace this tibook, and i imagine their patience isn't limitless (though so far it has been shockingly plentiful).
2) This computer is dying fast.
3) The other side of the coin: when i bought this computer it was juuuuuuust before the aluminum powerbooks were released, so i know first-hand the misery of being immediately obsolete.

Here's to staying strong...one...day...at...a...time.

Edit: i'm starting to feel like apple is just a lousy, alcoholic step-dad.
 
I've moved a month's worth of supplies next to my computer, and have got a new keyboard with a new F5 button. I will be the first to post in this thread after they make the release.
 
HecubusPro said:
The 26th has been my near-breaking point. Every day now is a struggle not to buy a MBP as it is, or be smart and buy core 2 duo laptop from someone else, or be patient (and smarter?) and wait for the C2D MBP to eventually release. I feel like an alcoholic--One Day at a Time. If I can get through today, I can get through tomorrow, and the next day, but I have to get through today first.

Yes, this is the C2D MBP support group. I am its first member. Who would like to join in solidarity with me?
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i feel the same way man i guess im the next member.
 
New "Get a Mac" Commercial Idea - a Sienfeld Element

Okay, standard Setup, the low-key John Hodgman (PC) and trendy Justin Long (Mac) standing in the "whitespace."

PC opens up a rather ugly Dell or HP C2D notebook, and is working along, wind blowing in his hair (indicating the speed).

Mac asks what he has there, and he explains its the new Core2Duo. Mac guys lowers his head and begins to slowly walk off the set.

PC guy calls after him "Don't worry, you'll get yours some Tuesday."

Switch to Steve Jobs in Black turtleneck and Jerry Stiller in leisure suit. Steve has a digitized zipper over his mouth, shaking his head, "No." Jerry Stiller is in his face, asking "When?! When!? When?!". Frustrated, Jerry Stiller walks toward the edge of the whitespace, and encounters the PC guy, still happily playing on his C2D notebook. Jerry Stiller kicks him in the groin, he goes down, and Jerry walks off the screen. In the distance, we hear him yell, "SERENITY NOW!"



Sorry if that wasn't funny, but its late.
 
MBP 17" educational store price: $2599
MBP 17" government employee price: $2575
:) makes me happy!

Now I resume my impatient waiting...
 
absurdio said:
3) The other side of the coin: when i bought this computer it was juuuuuuust before the aluminum powerbooks were released, so i know first-hand the misery of being immediately obsolete.
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Boy, do I know how that feels! I bought my $5,600, 292MHz "Wallstreet" when it arrived (10 years ago?), waited 3 months for it to ship, only to have the newer, faster, better "PDQ" debut less than one month later, at a cheaper price (much cheaper!), and a much better graphics chip. Made me feel like a chump, after such a long wait - never thought it'd be outdated so quickly, I didn't even have it broken in yet!

Next, my beloved Pismo, bleeding-edge for some time after buying it! No buyer remorse there!

Skip ahead to my 1 GHz TiBook, ordered 11/02, arriving in mid-December, about a month after ordering. Nervous anticipation, excited to get it .... faulty mobo required sending back to Apple, but worked great after that! Only to have the totally unexpected 17" AluBook debut 2 weeks later, with more features, no more peeling "Titanium" paint, and better value.

Next bought my G5 iMac, again so excited for my new technology, only to have upgraded, faster G5 iMac including iSight and Front Row, surprise us a few weeks later!

These weren't computers that I'd use for months and months before a new arrival, so I couldn't justify "how much time I'd saved," or "how much extra productivity I'd enjoyed," since it was never more than a few weeks!

So I'm damned well not gonna buy an outdated MBP now, with imminent upgrade to Merom!

(Well, I just need to keep telling myself that, to avoid the almost irresistable urge to punch in my Visa card numbers on the order page for the current MBP ..... I ..... must ..... resist ..... not futile ......... )

:eek:

iBorg
 
I was encouraged by the report some pages ago here that the delay was because the ventilation on the MB/P was considered inadequate and is being redesigned. So when they finally come out, they should be more improved than just a processor upgrade.

So in the meantime, take a stress pill and mellow out.
 
Seriously Tho....

Apple really can't let the MBP's sit around without the new chip right?
Could this waiting really go on for weeks? A month?
Perhaps the MBP's are selling great and they have no need to satisfy us?

This is painful...
 
Neuroguy said:
Okay, standard Setup, the low-key John Hodgman (PC) and trendy Justin Long (Mac) standing in the "whitespace."

PC opens up a rather ugly Dell or HP C2D notebook, and is working along, wind blowing in his hair (indicating the speed).

Mac asks what he has there, and he explains its the new Core2Duo. Mac guys lowers his head and begins to slowly walk off the set.

PC guy calls after him "Don't worry, you'll get yours some Tuesday."

Switch to Steve Jobs in Black turtleneck and Jerry Stiller in leisure suit. Steve has a digitized zipper over his mouth, shaking his head, "No." Jerry Stiller is in his face, asking "When?! When!? When?!". Frustrated, Jerry Stiller walks toward the edge of the whitespace, and encounters the PC guy, still happily playing on his C2D notebook. Jerry Stiller kicks him in the groin, he goes down, and Jerry walks off the screen. In the distance, we hear him yell, "SERENITY NOW!"



Sorry if that wasn't funny, but its late.
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Haha, brilliant. I'm deciding between the 15" and the 17"...whenever the merom babies come out.. How much better is the 17" and what are some disadvantages.
 
PowerBookG5 said:
Haha, brilliant. I'm deciding between the 15" and the 17"...whenever the merom babies come out.. How much better is the 17" and what are some disadvantages.
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Lots of discussion on this topic. I for one will be getting the 15" Merom simply because the 17 incher defeats the purpose of a laptop for me. Way too big and bulky to lug around from class to class and then to the office.

But to each his own. If you're doing video editing, then you should definitely get the 17 incher.
 
barkins said:
Lots of discussion on this topic. I for one will be getting the 15" Merom simply because the 17 incher defeats the purpose of a laptop for me. Way too big and bulky to lug around from class to class and then to the office.

But to each his own. If you're doing video editing, then you should definitely get the 17 incher.
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Im currently in school for Recording Industry, so my guess is somewhere along the line I'll have to do some. I think you get more bang for your buck anyway, plus i like to have as many ports as possible.
 
iBorg20181 said:
Boy, do I know how that feels! I bought my $5,600, 292MHz "Wallstreet" when it arrived (10 years ago?), waited 3 months for it to ship, only to have the newer, faster, better "PDQ" debut less than one month later, at a cheaper price (much cheaper!), and a much better graphics chip. Made me feel like a chump, after such a long wait - never thought it'd be outdated so quickly, I didn't even have it broken in yet!

Next, my beloved Pismo, bleeding-edge for some time after buying it! No buyer remorse there!

Skip ahead to my 1 GHz TiBook, ordered 11/02, arriving in mid-December, about a month after ordering. Nervous anticipation, excited to get it .... faulty mobo required sending back to Apple, but worked great after that! Only to have the totally unexpected 17" AluBook debut 2 weeks later, with more features, no more peeling "Titanium" paint, and better value.

Next bought my G5 iMac, again so excited for my new technology, only to have upgraded, faster G5 iMac including iSight and Front Row, surprise us a few weeks later!

These weren't computers that I'd use for months and months before a new arrival, so I couldn't justify "how much time I'd saved," or "how much extra productivity I'd enjoyed," since it was never more than a few weeks!

So I'm damned well not gonna buy an outdated MBP now, with imminent upgrade to Merom!

(Well, I just need to keep telling myself that, to avoid the almost irresistable urge to punch in my Visa card numbers on the order page for the current MBP ..... I ..... must ..... resist ..... not futile ......... )

:eek:

iBorg
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wow those were some good stories
moral of the story
 
PowerBookG5 said:
Im currently in school for Recording Industry, so my guess is somewhere along the line I'll have to do some. I think you get more bang for your buck anyway, plus i like to have as many ports as possible.
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The only 2 ports I see myself using are for the USB Mighty Mouse and transfering photos from my camera.
 
I'd just like you all to know that I am typing this on my very own MacBook Pro that I've had for a few months, and I've loved every minute of using it.

Including today.

Boy it sure is fast. Runs great. Slick graphics. Great machine. What a beast.

Does it bother me that some dude probably only a couple miles away is typing away on his Core2Duo machine right now? Um, not really. It's not even a wants vs needs thing. It's about the fact that the Meroms ain't that big a deal, especially for a laptop.

Man, this machine is fast...

Post-note: the funny thing, the angriest people in this forum are also the diehard people who will buy a MB/MBP at some point no matter what (or not at all). The actual impact on Apple's sales outlook of waiting for Meroms is actually quite small. That's the irony of having a niche market like Apple's: the angrier your customers, the more those same customers are loyal to a fault. Haha!
 
jfsouza said:
couple questions
first, Santa Rosa will be the desktop platform to, no?
second, SSE has to do with graphics processing right? like AltiVec?
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Santa Rosa is a mobile platform. It will likely show up in iMacs tho, as iMacs are using mobile CPUs etc. currently.

SSE is SIMD... so it can be used for graphics but has many other uses too. It's similar to AltiVec. It's also used for fast FP math on Intel.
 
ccroo said:
Apple really can't let the MBP's sit around without the new chip right?
Could this waiting really go on for weeks? A month?
Perhaps the MBP's are selling great and they have no need to satisfy us?
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Yeah, if the C2D MBPs really are ready to go and Apple really is just waiting for the marketing department to pull the trigger, I suppose it's possible that it'd make economic sense for Apple to wait:
1) Presumably prices will not rise when the C2D MBPs are released.
2) Regardless of whether the upcoming MBPs are a total overhaul or just a processor swap, the (outdated) components of the (outdated) "current" MBPs have to cost Apple less than newer, better ones.
3) That means Apple has to be making more profit per MBP on the current MBPs than they would be on the soon-to-be-released versions.
4) So Apple may be conciously opting for less-in-demand-but-more-profitable MBPs - that is, of course, until the deminished demand outweighs the difference in profit-per-unit.
5) I can only imagine some genius marketing folks have determined exactly how many customers Apple is prepared to lose (to companies that DO offer C2D notebooks) before they have to start offering the more-in-demand-but-less-profitable C2D MBPs.
6) This may all be wrong, and I have no idea why this list is enumerated.

Edit: if there's any validity to that, it's bad news for our ability to predict when the new MBPs are coming. And, now that I think about it, why wouldn't the same money-grubbing be true for any other company? Furthermore, the hell with capitalism.
 
ergle2 said:
Santa Rosa is a mobile platform. It will likely show up in iMacs tho, as iMacs are using mobile CPUs etc. currently.

SSE is SIMD... so it can be used for graphics but has many other uses too. It's similar to AltiVec. It's also used for fast FP math on Intel.
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Okay... wait WTF the current iMacs are using the mobile C2D!!!! Ahhhhh!!!! Damn damn damn. Anyway, I am looking forward to a Santa Rosa driven Leopard Powered 24" fully loaded iMac in the Spring.
 
barkins said:
Lots of discussion on this topic. I for one will be getting the 15" Merom simply because the 17 incher defeats the purpose of a laptop for me. Way too big and bulky to lug around from class to class and then to the office.

But to each his own. If you're doing video editing, then you should definitely get the 17 incher.
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For my part, the deciding question will be whether or not the new 15" will have fw800. I'd prefer the 15" for portability's (and humility's) sake(s), but if the 17" remains the only model with fw800, then 17" it shall be.
 
If you are in no rush to get a MB or MBP (not sure which one) do you guys recomend waiting for Santa Rosa and Leapord to come out, or to buy it when its updated to Merom?? When does it look like Santa Rosa and Leapord will be out too?
 
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