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MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?
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I'll Join You Guys But I Am Through Expecting Them To Show Up
Meanwhile we'll keep each other company.
I'm happy to join you but I am not going to make any more "predictions" or "hopefullies" any more. My optimism is letting too many people down when they don't show up. So I'll only hold hands and provide hugs.HecubusPro said:
It means I am admitting I am just as clueless as everyone else here. Sorry. I have no crystal ball and no inside connections. Your guess is as good as mine or better. So I am giving up expecting when and will just enjoy the day they do.ergle2 said:Does this mean you don't believe they'll show or just you're keeping your guesses to yourself now?
Meanwhile we'll keep each other company.
Multimedia said:I'm happy to join you but I am not going to make any more "predictions" or "hopefullies". My optimism is letting too many people down when they don't show up. So I'll only hold hands and provide hugs.
Does this mean you don't believe they'll show or just you're keeping your guesses to yourself now?
Santa Rosa Will Make Almost No Difference
I want to support this position. From what I've read, it appears that Santa Rosa will be a nominal difference from what we get next this Fall.ergle2 said:
iBorg20181 said:Boy, do I know how that feels! I bought my $5,600, 292MHz "Wallstreet" when it arrived (10 years ago?), waited 3 months for it to ship, only to have the newer, faster, better "PDQ" debut less than one month later, at a cheaper price (much cheaper!), and a much better graphics chip. Made me feel like a chump, after such a long wait - never thought it'd be outdated so quickly, I didn't even have it broken in yet!
Next, my beloved Pismo, bleeding-edge for some time after buying it! No buyer remorse there!
Skip ahead to my 1 GHz TiBook, ordered 11/02, arriving in mid-December, about a month after ordering. Nervous anticipation, excited to get it .... faulty mobo required sending back to Apple, but worked great after that! Only to have the totally unexpected 17" AluBook debut 2 weeks later, with more features, no more peeling "Titanium" paint, and better value.
Next bought my G5 iMac, again so excited for my new technology, only to have upgraded, faster G5 iMac including iSight and Front Row, surprise us a few weeks later!
These weren't computers that I'd use for months and months before a new arrival, so I couldn't justify "how much time I'd saved," or "how much extra productivity I'd enjoyed," since it was never more than a few weeks!
So I'm damned well not gonna buy an outdated MBP now, with imminent upgrade to Merom!
(Well, I just need to keep telling myself that, to avoid the almost irresistable urge to punch in my Visa card numbers on the order page for the current MBP ..... I ..... must ..... resist ..... not futile ......... )
iBorg
And you call yourself a Mac fanatic? True fanbois have one-click ordering enabled!
Non-Apple C2D notebooks
I've had a look, and while Dell may be offering them, I have yet to see any C2D thinkpads. So, for what it's worth, Apple is not alone in taking its time.
I've had a look, and while Dell may be offering them, I have yet to see any C2D thinkpads. So, for what it's worth, Apple is not alone in taking its time.
It might mean that building a premium-brand C2D notebook is not all that simple (no disrespect to Dell).ergle2 said:
Well, this is all interesting, but I do hope Apple will be able to unveil/ship the new line soon.
Am3822 said:
Well, the ThinkPad line has traditionally been conservative (read: adopts most tech last).
I don't discount the possibility that Apple finds cooling under certain circumstances problematic due to the thinness of their design; all the tests I've seen so far suggest that Merom runs cooler, but they were all running XP SP2. I suspect the higher TDP requirements might be down to 64bit operation, which obviously isn't an issue under regular XP...
This leads me to wonder something else -- what effect might 64bit have on battery life?
But I digress...
I got approval from my fellow company directors last night to buy an apple notebook (tho they do stipulate its my responsibility to ensure I can do all I need to on it - roll on boot camp and parallels).
I'm gonna see how long I can put off the purchase, but it cant be too long.
Oh well.
*shrug*
I think a MBP 2.0GHz 15.4" in its current form will actually do me fine. Its replacing a ancient AMD...
I'm gonna see how long I can put off the purchase, but it cant be too long.
Oh well.
*shrug*
I think a MBP 2.0GHz 15.4" in its current form will actually do me fine. Its replacing a ancient AMD...
MBP update
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
Technology Analyst says "No upgrade until Santa Rosa" (repeat from another thread)
Hello all, first post to this board. I must say it has been very entertaining watching these MB & MBP release threads.
To the point:
A good friend of mine is a Techology Analyst/R&D for a major international company. We were discussing the possible upgrade of the MBP today and he brought up some interesting observations & thoughts on the current lack of an upgrade.
1) Apple is a quality conscious company and for the most part releases great product. This may mean that their development branch is not geared for fast release cycles at this point.
2) Steve Jobs may have underestimated the rate of chip upgrades from Intel. Although Steve is fully aware of the "Intel Roadmap" he may not have grasped the "real world impact" of the rapid release cycle that Intel would have on his company's ability to keep pace. (Don't flame me on this please, it's just a thought)
3) With the Santa Rosa platform coming out sometime around April of 2007 it is possible that Apple has elected to skip the Merom chip upgrade and focus on getting everything ready for the Santa Rosa release. It must be realized that any chip upgrade or change to a board layout can cost several million to implement and with the issues that are known to exist with the current MB/MBP there may be a financial reason behind making a decision to skip one upgrade cycle.
4) The longer the current delay to getting new MB/MBPs out for the current C2D chip the less time remains, before the next major release, for a company to recoup their investment in that release which makes it more likely that they would be aiming for the next major release. If you say that the current Merom update does not come out until mid to late October then you have reduced the time for recovery of the return on investment to a period of around 6 months.
5) Considering that there is a Major Platform upgrade in April, Apple may be saying that too many purchasers would skip a simple Merom update and opt for waiting until Santa Rosa appears before parting with their cash.
As for myself personally I really want to see a C2D update soon, my current PB G4 only has one functional memory slot now (the second one died about a month ago). I have been a long time Apple user, my first computer was an Apple IIc (brand new at the time), I cannot envision myself ever buying a Microsoft OS run system so I'll just wait for the next Apple notebook.
Sopranino
Hello all, first post to this board. I must say it has been very entertaining watching these MB & MBP release threads.
To the point:
A good friend of mine is a Techology Analyst/R&D for a major international company. We were discussing the possible upgrade of the MBP today and he brought up some interesting observations & thoughts on the current lack of an upgrade.
1) Apple is a quality conscious company and for the most part releases great product. This may mean that their development branch is not geared for fast release cycles at this point.
2) Steve Jobs may have underestimated the rate of chip upgrades from Intel. Although Steve is fully aware of the "Intel Roadmap" he may not have grasped the "real world impact" of the rapid release cycle that Intel would have on his company's ability to keep pace. (Don't flame me on this please, it's just a thought)
3) With the Santa Rosa platform coming out sometime around April of 2007 it is possible that Apple has elected to skip the Merom chip upgrade and focus on getting everything ready for the Santa Rosa release. It must be realized that any chip upgrade or change to a board layout can cost several million to implement and with the issues that are known to exist with the current MB/MBP there may be a financial reason behind making a decision to skip one upgrade cycle.
4) The longer the current delay to getting new MB/MBPs out for the current C2D chip the less time remains, before the next major release, for a company to recoup their investment in that release which makes it more likely that they would be aiming for the next major release. If you say that the current Merom update does not come out until mid to late October then you have reduced the time for recovery of the return on investment to a period of around 6 months.
5) Considering that there is a Major Platform upgrade in April, Apple may be saying that too many purchasers would skip a simple Merom update and opt for waiting until Santa Rosa appears before parting with their cash.
As for myself personally I really want to see a C2D update soon, my current PB G4 only has one functional memory slot now (the second one died about a month ago). I have been a long time Apple user, my first computer was an Apple IIc (brand new at the time), I cannot envision myself ever buying a Microsoft OS run system so I'll just wait for the next Apple notebook.
Sopranino
Sopranino said:
Welcome, and good post!
I too believe they may miss out on Merom, and wait for Santa Rosa.
If you remember, the PowerBook was behind for a long time in terms of power with the G4 chip, when even the iMac which is a consumer product, had the G5.
People still bought the G4 (Me included).
Apple are comfortable with the money they're making on the current MacBook Pro, i see them waiting for Santa Rosa, giving them something to really shout about.
Rich.
HecubusPro said:
I'm joining you in, mate. I said to myself last month to my girlfriend, my parents, my friends (who own MBPs), and my other friends (who didn't) about me buying a C2D MBP. Some supported me, some said, "Noo.. my 'newest' MBP is going to obsolete after release like what? 150 something days? It's not even a year yet!!" I guess you could tell which group this comes from. Some were as eagerly waiting as me, as for my girlfriend, she is just excited for me to get a new laptop so I can spend more time with her away from my desktop computer
It's nearing the end of the 'next month' now, but then again, I'll be proud to be holding on to a C2D MBP when it actually comes, and not sulk myself for being impatient and getting a CD MBP
Cheers