MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?

[richard4339]

Personally, since I just ordered my MBP Monday, I'm hoping the newer version either comes out within 2 weeks of mine arriving, or in about two months so I won't feel bad about not waiting a tad bit longer.

 

[maverick808]

So, *if* Apple decides on a silent release (today?), what time would they do it? 9am PST? 10am PST?
I never tracked that sort of thing before...just wondering when I need to "call it a day" and stop hope

It's already too late for it to happen today. For web updates not tied to an event, Apple usually update between 6 and 8am Cupertino time. It's already past that so it's not happening today.

 

[djkny]

Apple causes obsessive-compulsive disorder, hence their popular tagline, "Think Different."

 

[azzurri000]

Apple causes obsessive-compulsive disorder, hence their popular tagline, "Think Different."

hahaha... aww... yeah I'm constantly checking these merom threads to get a glimmer of hope. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking forward to now, so I just check this site every morning when I wake up, when I get home, between tasks, etc. etc. I want to be somewhat sane again!!!

Also, all of this Santa Rosa talk is making me twitch.

 

[Neuroguy]

Wishing...

The scary thing is that if a genie granted me 3 wishes, a Merom MBP might make that list... aargh!!

Neuroguy

PS. Who think that Steve is going to do a Thursday silent release? It would be a 1st, but he loves to mess with our brains.

Getting excited for the first Thursday update tomorrow.!!

 

[Akiva]

Is it worth the wait...

I posted this on the laptop refresh thread too, but I wanted to get feedback from some of you who might not be checking all the thread...hope that's ok...here goes...

I've gotten myself caught up in this whole C2D waiting craze...but I'm wondering if it's worth the wait (for me at least).

I'm switching over from a older 1.8Ghz Pentium M Dell Latitude notebook with 1G ram. I use photoshop a bunch, illustrator, etc...and I'd like to start messing around with film editing and music recording too.

From what everybody seems to say here, speed wise the C2D offers only a modest (20% or so) improvement over the older chipset. So I'm thinking that might not be worth the wait. Compared to my Dell I'll probably be in heaven even with the slowest dual core config (and running photoshop through rosetta).

But if I order a 15" MacBook Pro today are there still issues I would have to worry about that might be cleared up in the next update, or are the latest MacBook Pro's being shipped fine?

For the record, I'd probably go with the 15" MBP 2.16Ghz 2Ghz Ram 100GB 7200rpm drive.

Oh, one last question - could I have a larger drive installed in the MBP - like a 120 or 160GB 7200 drive. Is that possible?

Thanks.

 

[richyfp]

Can I just chime in with something completely useless, but that accurately expresses my feelings regarding the C2D MBP:

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There. Thanks, guys.

 

[fastlane1588]

The thing that bothers me is that Ive been waiting since may. Back in May everyone knew the chip was comming out in August, and Intel even said, "youll see core2duo laptops by the end of August." So I had no problem waiting, even though school started at the end of August. Then wwdc came, and went, and the next rumor was 2 weeks before the Paris expo. That came and went. Then it was supposed to come out at the Paris expo, that came and went. Then the 19th was the next rumored release, that came and went. After that passed, the next release was the monday Photokina thing, that came and went, so people said it was the Tuesday at Photokina, and that came and went.

Now were hoping it will be released before thanksgiving, or even worse, next spring with the santa rosa! What makes it worse was the Apple Insider post saying that its just a minimal update. Apple needs to get it together they have had plenty of time to get this put together, so whats holding them up???

 

[emotion]

Apple needs to get it together they have had plenty of time to get this put together, so whats holding them up???

Engineering problems associated with the extra heat coming from the C2D.


Just a guess, the heat tolerances in the current mbp design are pretty tight as it is. It would take much more heat to make this a tricky upgrade.

 

[ct-scan]

I'm switching over from a older 1.8Ghz Pentium M Dell Latitude notebook with 1G ram. I use photoshop a bunch, illustrator, etc...and I'd like to start messing around with film editing and music recording too.

Rosetta is the pain in my side for Photoshop/Illustrator/Flash/Dreamweaver.
However, Universal versions of ProTools, Reason, and FCE work wonderfully.

Can't tell you that PS will run any faster than your Dell...however, PS CS3 I'm SURE will smoke the hell out of the Dell.

Oh, one last question - could I have a larger drive installed in the MBP - like a 120 or 160GB 7200 drive. Is that possible?

Yes, but being someone who has replaced quite a few hard drives in the Alum design 'Books...get ready for lengthy process.
I could never understand why they made it so damn difficult to get to.

 

[ruutiveijari]

So Merom runs hotter than Yonah? Does this mean the next MacBook Pro is either hotter or noisier than the last one?

All I want from a laptop is coolness (enough to actually use it on your thighs), reliability (rev A...) and batterylife. Which of these can one except to get better with Merom?

 

[MIDI_EVIL]

So Merom runs hotter than Yonah? Does this mean the next MacBook Pro is either hotter or noisier than the last one?

All I want from a laptop is coolness (enough to actually use it on your thighs),

Say goodbye to that, Laptops are now just as fast as desktops, and with that comes heat. It's a trade-off. I'd prefer to have a fast portable desktop than a computer that is behind in speed and tech just so it can sit on my lap.

Rich.

 

[ruutiveijari]

Say goodbye to that, Laptops are now just as fast as desktops, and with that comes heat.

I was afraid of that.

Things have really gotten crazy lately. A year ago we were bying singlecore G4 1.5GHz machines with a 166MHz FBS and now a 2.16GHz dualcore Yonah with a 667MHz FSB isn't fast enough. Funny how fast things can change and people simply want more than need.

(sorry for my crappy english skills)

 

[gauchogolfer]

I was afraid of that.

Things have really gotten crazy lately. A year ago we were bying singlecore G4 1.5GHz machines with a 166MHz FBS and now a 2.16GHz dualcore Yonah with a 667MHz FSB isn't fast enough. Funny how fast things can change and people simply want more than need.

(sorry for my crappy english skills)

Your english skills are fine, and you make a good point about how quickly Apple has progressed in its portable computers. I'm working on a powerbook not much different from the one you describe, and I'm fairly certain I'd be happy with a current MBP. Perspective is a good thing™.

 

[RichP]

Your english skills are fine, and you make a good point about how quickly Apple has progressed in its portable computers. I'm working on a powerbook not much different from the one you describe, and I'm fairly certain I'd be happy with a current MBP. Perspective is a good thing™.

Agreed with both of you. Its amazing how quickly we forget these machines are 4-5x faster than machines that were available 9 months ago. In terms of performance increase over time, that is VERY substantial.

 

[little larry]

Sale?

yeah yeah.. first time post....
I have just received an email from a local Australian apple reseller about a sale. There are LOTS of MacBook Pros on the sale list. It goes on to say they arrive on monday and they are coming from Apple. Sure.. this doesn't mean that much to most people out there but I must say.. I don't seem to recall many Apple sales in Australia and with over 100 Macbook Pros that are current models.. It's got me thinking....

 

[Multimedia]

Merom Runs Cooler Than Yonah • Also Has More Efficient Energy Management

So Merom runs hotter than Yonah? Does this mean the next MacBook Pro is either hotter or noisier than the last one?

All I want from a laptop is coolness (enough to actually use it on your thighs), reliability (rev A...) and batterylife. Which of these can one except to get better with Merom?

No it does not. Merom runs cooler than Yonah. And yes it will have longer battery life as well.

It was meant to but the initial reports (sorry can't find my links) say otherwise. That may of course have been the down to the PC laptop that had been upgraded with a C2D by the testers.

It's the most plausible explanation I can think of. Just think of the trouble Apple would be in if they had another wave of mooing and whining MBPs (not to mention the users )?? I suspect they wanna get this upgrade right the first time.

Those were reports using pre-release Meroms. The PC Perspective release Merom review shows it runs cooler and will also use less battery more of the time, i.e., is more energy efficient than Yonah.

 

[emotion]

No it does not. It runs cooler.

It was meant to but the initial reports (sorry can't find my links) say otherwise. That may of course have been the down to the PC laptop that had been upgraded with a C2D by the testers.

It's the most plausible explanation I can think of. Just think of the trouble Apple would be in if they had another wave of mooing and whining MBPs (not to mention the users )?? I suspect they wanna get this upgrade right the first time.

 

[dgdosen]

Relative to history isn't really valid when comparing to competitors

Agreed with both of you. Its amazing how quickly we forget these machines are 4-5x faster than machines that were available 9 months ago. In terms of performance increase over time, that is VERY substantial.

Does anyone truly need a new mbp? I want one, but I don't really need one. In fact, I could get by without a mac at all. The reason people on this thread are validly impatient with Apple is that the other vendors -Apple's competitors - are shipping the chips. As consumers we should demand the best from our vendors and when they don't deliver, we should take them to task and look at alternatives. Apple gets kudos for shipping sexy machines, but the quality of my Powerbook is iffy, damn it gets hot, and to me, screen resolution is less than spectacular. Not to mention the wobble on a flat surface.

I'd like a new mbp to easily run 64 bit vista and leopard. Unfortunately, we're not there yet. The longer Apple waits to ship, the more it seems they're taking advantage of the dopes out there who don't know any better. And as long as they're not feeling it on the bottom line, I wouldn't expect anything soon. Especially now that the last date I could have seen them announcing these things just passed

 

[S i]

It was meant to but the initial reports (sorry can't find my links) say otherwise. That may of course have been the down to the PC laptop that had been upgraded with a C2D by the testers.

It's the most plausible explanation I can think of. Just think of the trouble Apple would be in if they had another wave of mooing and whining MBPs (not to mention the users )?? I suspect they wanna get this upgrade right the first time.

I missed out on the whole mooing & whining MBP story - it was back when I was getting work done instead of trawling Mac rumour sites I'll be happy enough though if the delay is due to Apple fixing these issues. Only a straight chip swap would disappoint.

I thought Merom got better & better as it neared production, & only initial tests showed anything other than it being cooler than Yonah

Hi Louden,

Like you, I think we should demand the best from Apple. A bit of the ole tough love will keep them honest maybe

 

[emotion]

It doesn't make sense on a forum to quote me _before_ I make the post via an edit.

However that link is useful. I still stand by what I say though. I'd rather we wait a couple of weeks longer than the Dell customers (are c2d Dells shipping?) and get a properly tested and engineered C2D mbp.

To a certain extent the world is watching and the world thinks (whether that is justified or not) that all MBs and MBPs are faulty by design. Apple need to sort that out.

 

[ct-scan]

In fact, I could get by without a mac at all...I'd like a new mbp to easily run 64 bit vista and leopard.

Go buy whatever Winblows-based PC you want then.
Buying a Mac to run Windows as your primary OS is like buying some sort of super-yacht, and putting it in a pond. It's totally useless.

 

[Andrew F]

Is Apple Insider normally accurate with their information. MacOSXrumors definatly fell through on use. Is it really safe to assume they are coming before Thanksgiving and the marketing team is just waiting to pull the triger. I will not buy a over priced, out dated, problematic laptop. Nine months without an update seems a little to long. Get it out soon Apple.

 

[ct-scan]

10.4.8 to blame?

From AppleInsider today: Additionally, the release [10.4.8] is likely to bundle support for new lines of Core 2 Duo-based MacBook and MacBook Pro notebooks, which are due for release prior to the start of the holiday shopping season in late November.

So are we waiting for MacOS to be compatible w/ the C2D MBP?

 

[bob_hearn]

... more of the time - IE is more energy efficient.

Stop doing that!

IE is more efficient than what???

IE = Internet Exploder

i.e. = id est = that is