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MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?

fatsoforgotso said:
Say goodbye to that, Laptops are now just as fast as desktops, and with that comes heat. It's a trade-off. I'd prefer to have a fast portable desktop than a computer that is behind in speed and tech just so it can sit on my lap.

Rich.
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I guess the terminology "laptop" should be changed to "desktop". "Desktop" should be changed too since no one hardly keeps them on the desktop. "Floortop" mabee? I know that's cornie!:D
 
ruutiveijari said:
I was afraid of that.

Things have really gotten crazy lately. A year ago we were bying singlecore G4 1.5GHz machines with a 166MHz FBS and now a 2.16GHz dualcore Yonah with a 667MHz FSB isn't fast enough. Funny how fast things can change and people simply want more than need.

(sorry for my crappy english skills)
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I don't know that its no longer fast enough. I think I would be more than happy to buy a Yonah MBP if Apple were to reduce their prices to match the price reduction Intel placed (or will place, I had heard this was going to happen mid-September) on their Yonah chips. If I'm going to pay top-of-the-line prices on a computer, I want top-of-the-line parts in it.
 
ct-scan said:
Go buy whatever Winblows-based PC you want then. :confused:
Buying a Mac to run Windows as your primary OS is like buying some sort of super-yacht, and putting it in a pond. It's totally useless.
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Myself, I'd never buy a Mac to run Windows as my primary OS, but I do think running e.g. 64-bit Vista will be useful for testing (& Slingbox - get that Mac client out, Slingmedia!). It's a better option than illegally running OS X on a regular C2D laptop!!
 
Thank You For The Correction Of My Misspelling Of The Term "i.e."

bob_hearn said:
Stop doing that! :mad:

IE is more efficient than what???

IE = Internet Exploder

i.e. = id est = that is
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Thank you. I found your correct spelling of the term in my Tiger Oxford Dictionary as well. Appreciate the lesson - really. :)
 
Well I had to bite the bullet and purchase the CURRENT MBP. Estimated ship is 10/2.

I really needed the notebook weeks ago, but kept waiting for NEXT TUESDAY.

I told myself...get what I need now.

Anyway, the Santa Rosa chipset will be a much bigger change for the Merom, than the current chipset.
 
Well its wednesday and still no dice. Apple really has gone mad. Today is also the last day for Dell's sales on 2007WFP displays (which i was hoping to get along with a brand spanking new 2.33 GHz MBP. I'm seriously considering getting one and just getting a MacPro instead or getting a current *gulp* MBP:eek: .

What to do, what to do....
 
Mac Pro Is A Great Alternative To The Non-Existent C2D MBP

daneoni said:
Well its wednesday and still no dice. Apple really has gone mad. Today is also the last day for Dell's sales on 2007WFP displays (which i was hoping to get along with a brand spanking new 2.33 GHz MBP. I'm seriously considering getting one and just getting a MacPro instead or getting a current *gulp* MBP:eek: .

What to do, what to do....
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If mobility is not crucial the Mac Pro is definitely the way to go. Way more power for the same money and even if you don't add more expensive RAM - almost $200 per GB - it will scream with the 1GB it comes with.

I have the Dell 2005WFP 24" next to a Dell 20" 1600x1200 and the combination is perfect. The 20" is on sale from time to time for only about $400. So both for only about $1100 make for a great display dynamic duo.

If mobility is important, you can still drive the Dell 24" with a 1.83GHz refurb MacBook for $949 to get you from here to the C2D MBP. Should be able to resell it for no less than $800 later.
 
33scottie33 said:
I guess the terminology "laptop" should be changed to "desktop". "Desktop" should be changed too since no one hardly keeps them on the desktop. "Floortop" mabee? I know that's cornie!:D
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I think that's why apple, and many other manufacturers doesn't use the term "laptop." They use the term "notebook" possibly so people don't sue when they place a burning hot computer skillet on their lap and fry their naughty bits. "Notebooks" are meant to be "desktop" replacements.
 
ct-scan said:
From AppleInsider today: Additionally, the release [10.4.8] is likely to bundle support for new lines of Core 2 Duo-based MacBook and MacBook Pro notebooks, which are due for release prior to the start of the holiday shopping season in late November.

So are we waiting for MacOS to be compatible w/ the C2D MBP?
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not likely, the new imacs and mac pros run fine with C2D chips
 
Fine by me

HecubusPro said:
... so people don't sue when they place a burning hot computer skillet on their lap and fry their naughty bits. "Notebooks" are meant to be "desktop" replacements.
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Lately I use my laptop more than my naughty bits anyway. So, I'll promise not to sue Apple, even if the MBP Merom is a little toasty.

If they will just come out with the f&^% thing!

Neuroguy

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Member #4, Merom MBP Support Group
 
Neuroguy said:
Lately I use my laptop more than my naughty bits anyway.
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That is quite hilarious...

i've been waiting and now it's wearing thin, i'm actually considering picking up an alternate Mac (mini or iMac) until the MBP is updated (with more than just the Merom chip).
 
I almost agree

nodabs said:
i've been waiting and now it's wearing thin, i'm actually considering picking up an alternate Mac (mini or iMac) until the MBP is updated (with more than just the Merom chip).
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Wow. I have been having the same thought since yesterday. Thinking about a MacMini or a iMac 17" (middle model). However, I know my useage patterns, and once the MBPM (tired of typing Merom) comes out, the desktop will sit, unused...

Ahh, what to do. Also, I know I would want to "pimp out" a mini (since I hear RAM upgrades are a pain), and don't really want to drop $1200 on an "interim" system.. - Plus the mini isn't C2D !!! AHHHHHHH....GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!
 
I highly doubt Apple will wait for Santa Rosa for it's MaBook lines. It's already using C2D in the iMacs and it would be entirely illogical to not use them in the MacBooks.
 
For a company touting top of the line hardware, the fastest 'personal super computer' in the world, and after an embarrassing lag with their mobile line (G5), and now with commercials claiming superiority over the pc world, to have obviously outdated chips in their top of the line pricey mobile is just shameful.

I'm not saying they won't release it tomorrow, but if they don't release it soon it's just marketing garbage and I'll be losing faith quickly.
 
I dont know about yall but that 2.33 C2d iMac is lookin mighty friendly. Especially with the upgraded video card and processor still being cheaper than the current 17" MPB.
 
Drastic Measure

I think the Ordnung of Merom MBP is getting ready to begin the shunning of Steve.

...waiting for a good ole' MBP-Merom Raising...

Best,

Hezekiah (Neuroguy)


PS. Not meant to offend any Amish on the board, but seriously, I really doubt there are any. It would be like having an Anti-Luddite TV commercial, nobody would really squawk about it. :)
 
So you guys seem to agree that the C2D chip will increase performance by about 10%. Is that because the motherboard or OS doesn't support 64-bit? (which is it, the motherboard or the OS?)

I want a macbook, but I'm not really in a hurry. Can someone give me an estimate for how much Santa Rosa will make a difference? (is it just yet another 10%?)

Obvioulsy, I can't wait forever, but I also refuse to buy right now, just before the obvious C2D upgrade. I'll probably go with the first gen C2D, unless you guys think that Santa Rosa in early '07 would be MORE than just another incremental upgrade. do you?
 
emotion said:
It was meant to but the initial reports (sorry can't find my links) say otherwise. That may of course have been the down to the PC laptop that had been upgraded with a C2D by the testers.

It's the most plausible explanation I can think of. Just think of the trouble Apple would be in if they had another wave of mooing and whining MBPs (not to mention the users :) )?? I suspect they wanna get this upgrade right the first time.
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Most early reviews were conducted using engineering samples, and dropped into existing systems with sockets but possibly without appropriate BIOS upgrades -- which means no microcode updates or appropriate ACPI tables.

Later reviews suggest that the early reviews were rather pessimistic as to Merom's performance in terms of heat and power usage.

Most reviews suggest that, in 32bit mode at least, Merom is no worse than Yonah and might actally be a little, tho not significantly, better.

I've not seen any tests run using Merom in long (EM64T) mode yet... it's quite possible it runs hotter in that mode.
 
alexbo said:
So you guys seem to agree that the C2D chip will increase performance by about 10%. Is that because the motherboard or OS doesn't support 64-bit? (which is it, the motherboard or the OS?)
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The OS is 32bit. The i945 chipset doesn't support more than 4GB of RAM but that's where any issues end.

Speed increases vary wildly depending on the type of code you run. 10% is a ballpark "average figure". Some code will see 20%, some will see 100%, some might only see 5%.

64bit mode can also slow some code down.

alexbo said:
I want a macbook, but I'm not really in a hurry. Can someone give me an estimate for how much Santa Rosa will make a difference? (is it just yet another 10%?)
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Probably less, but "it depends".

The major difference for speed is the transition to the 800MHz FSB (current is 667MHz).

That will give you maybe 3-5%, maybe more, depending on the type of code you run.

Robson (flashmem cache) could show a huge speedup, especially if your tasks hit virtual memory a lot. If you don't run out, not so much.

alexbo said:
Obvioulsy, I can't wait forever, but I also refuse to buy right now, just before the obvious C2D upgrade. I'll probably go with the first gen C2D, unless you guys think that Santa Rosa in early '07 would be MORE than just another incremental upgrade. do you?
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Santa Rosa is incremental in the Intel world. Most upgrades are because the upgrade cycle -- ie when newer, better parts appear -- is roughly 3-6 months. Mostly it's clockspeed bumps, occasionally it includes new SSE instructions. Core 2 is unusual in that it's a huge jump over the NetBurst days.

Santa Rosa isn't "early 07" btw. It's supposed to launch in April, so expect to see the first systems in May and the majority at the start of June.
 
alexbo said:
So you guys seem to agree that the C2D chip will increase performance by about 10%. Is that because the motherboard or OS doesn't support 64-bit? (which is it, the motherboard or the OS?)
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10.4 is 32-bit; however, 10.5 will be 64-bit. So maybe the C2D isn't the large of an upgrade since we won't be taking advantage of the 64-bit chip...but then in Q1:2007, well, you get the idea.
 
The OS might not be 64-bit, but you can run 64-bit ops from your app.

ct-scan said:
10.4 is 32-bit; however, 10.5 will be 64-bit. So maybe the C2D isn't the large of an upgrade since we won't be taking advantage of the 64-bit chip...but then in Q1:2007, well, you get the idea.
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Apple Corps said:
ergle2 - "Core 2 is unusual in that it's a huge jump over the NetBurst days"

Are you now guilty of mixing chips and platforms :rolleyes:
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those are both architectures...


so, no.
 
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