MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?

[ergle2]

Yeah I agree completely. Moreover, I think the unexpectedly surprise early release of the C2D iMacs right after Labor Day really threw us for a loop. "How Dare They Give Consumer Desktops first dibbs on OUR Precious." lol.

Bear in mind that Sony had C2D Vaio notebooks in the stores before the iMac C2D release, too.

I actually saw one in a local Circuit City, which is what made me assume Apple would follow suit relatively quickly.

As the old saying goes, "never assume...".

 

[theWholeTruth]

Ignorance is bliss.

I sold my first 2.5 DP G5 for $4,000 and replaced it with another one for $2,000. It's not always about losing money in those transactions. A 6 year old PM G4 would be running 350-500MHz.

I still ahve a couple of Cubes from that era that surf and do email great.

You couldn't have been doing anything that stresses that level of Power for these 6 years without knowing you were missing a lot. So for email and browsing sure. I doubt anyone here has been rolling over their Macs to get the next one so their browsers would come up faster. That was a joke right?

If I hadn't sold my last 2.5GHz DP G5 in February and gotten the Quad, I would not be able to do the most meanial of tasks up against the video compression work I do all the time on it. So yes, individuality does come into play. But what we are saying is that the cumulative total of money needed to be spent from one model to the next after resale equals the same amount of money OR LESS than it does to buy a new one every 3 years or MORE.Zactly.

Actually I"ve done plenty to stress out my 450 dual like FCP 4 editing independent features, PBS and other TV docs, corporate BS, etc. Even post houses I work at don't always upgrade the minute something new comes out.

My point being that one doesn't always need the newest to be productive. So my render time is slower, I do what I did in the old days editing on AVID, I go take a stroll or make a phone call. Have I lost jobs or been less productive? Not in the slightest. So it's not ignorance, but a choice. Maybe it's not the right choice for everyone, but I don't believe there is a 'one size fits all' category.

 

[spercharged69]

If you do work with Final Cut Pro and you honestly think you aren't less productive by using an ancient computer, I think you need to have your reality sensors upgraded.

 

[ergle2]

Maybe it's not the right choice for everyone, but I don't believe there is a 'one size fits all' category.

Generally "one size fits all" actually means "everyone makes compromises" ...

... and one definition of compromise is "where boths sides are equally unhappy" ..

Everyone's different.

 

[theWholeTruth]

If you do work with Final Cut Pro and you honestly think you aren't less productive by using an ancient computer, I think you need to have your reality sensors upgraded.

Yep, I've been plenty productive. IT's only now, with more clients shooting HD that I need more horsepower. There are plenty of filmmakers out there still running 9600's with AVID v.6. So unless you work in the the same field as I do, your response is worthless to me.

 

[alexbo]

Well you guys are definitely right about one thing. These computers have rediculous short-medium term resale value. I tried looking on Craigslist for a macbook and I was shocked that they cost almost the exact same amount there (USED!) as they do at full retail with my education discount.

Who are these people that are willing to pay so much for used computer equipment??

Anecdotally, I've noticed that it's not just macs that are this way. You can sell a year-old PC video card on Ebay for 90+% what you paid for it pretty easily. I guess a lot of people just figure that if its on Ebay or craigslist it MUST be a good deal.

 

[iBorg20181]

If you do work with Final Cut Pro and you honestly think you aren't less productive by using an ancient computer, I think you need to have your reality sensors upgraded.

Touche!



iBorg

 

[bazzalisk]

So ... is there anyone here who seriously thinks it might be next tuesday?

(It most certainly isn't going to be at MacExpo UK as some people think, Apple don't even have a stall there)

 

[spercharged69]

Yep, I've been plenty productive. IT's only now, with more clients shooting HD that I need more horsepower. There are plenty of filmmakers out there still running 9600's with AVID v.6. So unless you work in the the same field as I do, your response is worthless to me.

Been shooting in HD for a couple years now. I seriously cannot even imagine doing this on a 450mhz machine. How can you possibly be working for any kind of profitable company when you're working on a machine so old? That is seriously remarkable to me. (Unless you're not shooting in HD... which makes your "company" seem like an even bigger joke.)

I have a faster Mac than that running Yellow Dog that I use as a SSH box for IRC and other terminal-based junk that I think is slow.

LOL

 

[jfsouza]

So ... is there anyone here who seriously thinks it might be next tuesday?

(It most certainly isn't going to be at MacExpo UK as some people think, Apple don't even have a stall there)

Could be, I'd hold out for U.K. though especially if there's a keynote. Does anyone know if there will be?

 

[bazzalisk]

Could be, I'd hold out for U.K. though especially if there's a keynote. Does anyone know if there will be?

No there won't be, or at least there never has been at any previous one. MacExpo is a trade-show in which a bunch of third-party companies that produce stuff for the mac (and more often nowadays iPod accesories) have stalls and display their wares.

 

[jfsouza]

No there won't be, or at least there never has been at any previous one. MacExpo is a trade-show in which a bunch of third-party companies that produce stuff for the mac (and more often nowadays iPod accesories) have stalls and display their wares.

Well there could be a keynote before - in "special event" style. I doubt there will be though as Core 2 Duo updates wouldn't call for a full scale keynote. Are there any precedents for Apple releasing hardware at Expo's w/o a keynote - didn't they do something similar last year around that time? mid october?

 

[suwandy]

So Merom runs hotter than Yonah? Does this mean the next MacBook Pro is either hotter or noisier than the last one?

All I want from a laptop is coolness (enough to actually use it on your thighs), reliability (rev A...) and batterylife. Which of these can one except to get better with Merom?

Wrong, Merom actually is a mobile version of the Core Duo Yonah, so it should run cooler on MBP. Plus, from one of the article I read, it takes 33% (or whatever number it is) less power while producing more speed. So Merom is in every department better than Yonah.

Which is why there is this whole bunch waiting for C2D MBP.

 

[ergle2]

Wrong, Merom actually is a mobile version of the Core Duo Yonah, so it should run cooler on MBP. Plus, from one of the article I read, it takes 33% (or whatever number it is) less power while producing more speed. So Merom is in every department better than Yonah.

Which is why there is this whole bunch waiting for C2D MBP.

Merom is the mobile version of Conroe/Allendale, and uses an identical die. It just runs at lower voltages and clockspeeds and is in a different package.

Tests thus far indicate it runs slightly cooler and uses slightly less power. Neither difference is significant.

Yonah was always a mobile processor, derived from the Pentium-M line.

 

[Multimedia]

Looks Significant To Me

Merom is the mobile version of Conroe/Allendale, and uses an identical die. It just runs at lower voltages and clockspeeds and is in a different package.

Tests thus far indicate it runs slightly cooler and uses slightly less power. Neither difference is significant.

Yonah was always a mobile processor, derived from the Pentium-M line.

This PC Perspective report says the temperature, battery life and speed are all significantly better with the release Merom processor:

"So in the end, we're giving this CPU an Editor's Choice Award. The latest Core 2 Duo mobile CPU is cooler, faster, and runs longer than the older Core Duo. Not only that, it has technology improvements under the hood like a larger level 2 cache (4MB) and 64-bit extensions to support 64-bit OSes like the upcoming Windows Vista. If you've had reservations before about getting a laptop, the Core 2 Duo should have you convinced. Intel's track record in this arena is strong, and their latest CPU just solidifies their lead."

 

[generik]

Can someone explain to me why Core 2 Duo is being refered to as the "first" core processor with core architecture?

The Core Duo is actually 2 Dothans (sp?) stitched together to form a dual core processor. The Dothans are derived off the Pentium-M, which is based off the Pentium III (not 4 incidentally).

These new Core 2 Duo chips are supposedly of a ground-up redesign, hence better. Also they got twice the cache so you can't go wrong with that

 

[Multimedia]

Please Provide Link To Article Showing 33% Less Power Consumption With Merom

Wrong, Merom actually is a mobile version of the Core Duo Yonah, so it should run cooler on MBP.

Wrong and welcome to MacRumors Forums suwandy.

The Core Duo is actually 2 Dothans (sp?) stitched together to form a dual core processor. The Dothans are derived off the Pentium-M, which is based off the Pentium III (not 4 incidentally).

These new Core 2 Duo chips are supposedly of a ground-up redesign, hence better. Also they got twice the cache so you can't go wrong with that

Right. And thanks for the excellent detail generik.

Plus, from one of the article I read, it takes 33% (or whatever number it is) less power while producing more speed. So Merom is in every department better than Yonah.

Which is why there is this whole bunch waiting for C2D MBP.

Please Please Please. You need to track down that article and provide us a link to it when you reference a report making that extreme a claim suwandy. Otherwise you provide no corroberation and can't be taken seriously. I am sure most of us really feel a need to read that report you mention. That is a very important piece you should have bookmarked immediately and switched over here to report to us with the link.

 

[ergle2]

This PC Perspectives report says the temperature, battery life and speed are all significantly better with the release Merom processor.

I consider those temp differences fairly small... it's all down to what you consider significant

Their battery test is synthetic, and I've seen several reviews that demonstrate it to be an improvement on Yonah, but nowhere near as good as that benchmark. I think it mostly comes down to the CPUs draw isn't that big a fraction compared to the rest of the system. (wifi/display/hd/fan/DVD drive etc.)

The speed up... well, it varies. For some stuff, Merom's a huge win, for other tasks we're talking maybe 5%. It's without doubt faster tho'. I won't bother to go into my SSE schtick this time

At the end of the day, it all boils down to this: Merom is a better processor, period.

Power usage is nowhere near 33% lower tho', which was what I was responding to. At a guess, that's come from a Conroe vs Prescott comparison or similar... even Intel's own lit, pre-launch, was claiming "20% faster for the same power draw", tho of course faster for the same power can also conserve power due to hitting S3 faster.

 

[ChickenSwartz]

This PC Perspectives report says the temperature, battery life and speed are all significantly better with the release Merom processor.

There aren’t enough data here to conclude significance. More tests need to be performed.

 

[Multimedia]

3 Grand For A CD MBP? I Don't Think So Thank You Very Much

There aren’t enough data here to conclude significance. More tests need to be preformed.

Agreed. But when I spend 3 Grand I want all I can get state-of-the-fart chips and CD ain't it. Consumers who do that are buying blind and that just chafes my hide.

The 4MB L2 cache alone makes it well worth waiting for to me.

 

[ChickenSwartz]

Agreed. But when I spend 3 Grand I want all I can get state-of-the-fart chips and CD ain't it. Consumers who do that are buying blind and that just chafes my hide.

The 4MB L2 cache alone makes it well worth waiting for to me.

Agreed.

 

[islanders]

By the way Photokinda is over guys

Strike three…

 

[ergle2]

Agreed. But when I spend 3 Grand I want all I can get state-of-the-fart chips and CD ain't it. Consumers who do that are buying blind and that just chafes my hide.

The 4MB L2 cache alone makes it well worth waiting for to me.

Yup. Apple's MBP pricing is at the premium end of the scale. Intel currently labels Core Duo as "entry level"...

4MB cache, single-cycle SSE and 64bit for me. Longer battery life would be gravy.

 

[jericho878]

Agreed. But when I spend 3 Grand I want all I can get state-of-the-fart chips and CD ain't it.

Funny you'd write that, because IMO, relative to C2D, CD blows.

 

[Multimedia]

Full Laptop Refresh By Holidays? Thread Is Up To 574 Posts Now

By the way Photokinda is over guys

Strike three…

Not really. It kinda runs through Sunday. But we have a nice little "Full Laptop Refresh By Holidays?" thread running at only 574 posts on only 23 pages thus far over here. Come on over and you can be a bigger fish in a littler pond.

This one's getting pretty bloated and the topic will be obsolete on Monday. I know I know. Some of you were shooting for a MacRumors Forums record. But we must move all the redundancy over to another more appropriate topic name don't you think? I mean after all we need to repeat all this over there too don't we? lol