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MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?
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Reach said:Man, I'm getting tired of seeing Apple'a frontpage these days, ALL iTunes/iPod, annoying when all I want is a MAC, let's hope they don't forget that they are in the business of making computers too.
The majority of their cash comes from iPods I guess... they just gotta put their hand where their ass is
I was in the Apple store yesterday evening picking up a My Book Pro for my new 3Ghz Mac Pro and the store was full of people. It seems like the majority are apathetic about the new MBP. Many of the current model continue to walk out of the store.
Is Apple acting nonchalant due to the possibly slightly lower selling rate of the current MBP? It seems that we (those that can't wait for the release) are the minority.
and the store was full of people. It seems like the majority are apathetic about the new MBP. Many of the current model continue to walk out of the store.Is Apple acting nonchalant due to the possibly slightly lower selling rate of the current MBP?
It seems that we (those that can't wait for the release) are the minority.33scottie33 said:Is Apple acting nonchalant due to the possibly slightly lower selling rate of the current MBP?
I think that the reality of the situation is that the majority of Mac users out there (the ones that I know, anyways) either don't know, or don't really care about upgrades such as the Merom chip. They are quite content buying whatever fits their budget at the time of purchase (which is either when they decide they need one, or whenever they can afford one) and happily using it until it dies.
I almost think I envy them...
33scottie33 said:I was in the Apple store yesterday evening picking up a My Book Pro for my new 3Ghz Mac Pro
Is Apple acting nonchalant due to the possibly slightly lower selling rate of the current MBP?
Here is a bit of trivia...
Macs even sold at the same price levels when they had an aging 1.67ghz G4 processor in them. Back in the day Macs only run MacOS. There is no "fallback" like Intel Macs have with boot camp. What makes you think the average joe six pack Mac user even cares about the processor in the Macbook Pro?
*drools*
"Duh? What's a processor? That is nerd talk. Oh, it is time to watch ballgames and laze in front of my couch"
my take on the whole wait is as follows:
after waiting since June for a new MBP, i would feel even more foolish if i broke down and bought something right now. I have a TiBook that is working, albeit slowly and sluggishly, and minimally satisfies my needs for a machine today. Therefore i am not against the wall when it comes to buying something new right now; therefore i will wait until C2D comes out and then go to a 17" maxed out MBP. Another reason i refuse to buy until C2D is out is because my current TiBook was bought as part of a large educational purchase, and I got it into my hands literally 12 hours before the next-generation aluminum enclosure was announced at Paris Expo 2003. I did everything i could to put it off because i knew something was just around the corner, and sure enough, it was. So at this point 5% speed increase or not, i am darn well going to wait until what is just around the corner is here, however long it takes.
i am also less enthralled by the minor performance upgrade than i am by other upgrades to HD, RAM capacity, video card, easy access HD bay, etc... I also feel that every day we wait is a day more likely we will see a case redesign and not just a drop-in processor upgrade. This of course brings up another issue of moving back towards a Rev A machine which, if i am patient enough, will make me want to wait a couple of weeks after people start getting the machines to make sure there are no major issues to be ironed out. 64-bit is something i will be glad to have in the future, tho at the moment it does nothing for me.
i would agree we will see a new machine shipping before Black Friday, i do not think they will wait until Santa Rosa which is a realistic 8 months away to upgrade the machine. I think we will see a "silent" update to the MBP line - similar to the way the MB was released - anytime between now and mid november. i do think that MWSF2007 is a possibility, but i am personally hoping it is not going to take that long, as i want to make this purchase before dec 31 for tax reasons. (and i want it sooner!)
i have the cash set aside, so at this point i am just going to be waiting
after waiting since June for a new MBP, i would feel even more foolish if i broke down and bought something right now. I have a TiBook that is working, albeit slowly and sluggishly, and minimally satisfies my needs for a machine today. Therefore i am not against the wall when it comes to buying something new right now; therefore i will wait until C2D comes out and then go to a 17" maxed out MBP. Another reason i refuse to buy until C2D is out is because my current TiBook was bought as part of a large educational purchase, and I got it into my hands literally 12 hours before the next-generation aluminum enclosure was announced at Paris Expo 2003. I did everything i could to put it off because i knew something was just around the corner, and sure enough, it was. So at this point 5% speed increase or not, i am darn well going to wait until what is just around the corner is here, however long it takes.
i am also less enthralled by the minor performance upgrade than i am by other upgrades to HD, RAM capacity, video card, easy access HD bay, etc... I also feel that every day we wait is a day more likely we will see a case redesign and not just a drop-in processor upgrade. This of course brings up another issue of moving back towards a Rev A machine which, if i am patient enough, will make me want to wait a couple of weeks after people start getting the machines to make sure there are no major issues to be ironed out. 64-bit is something i will be glad to have in the future, tho at the moment it does nothing for me.
i would agree we will see a new machine shipping before Black Friday, i do not think they will wait until Santa Rosa which is a realistic 8 months away to upgrade the machine. I think we will see a "silent" update to the MBP line - similar to the way the MB was released - anytime between now and mid november. i do think that MWSF2007 is a possibility, but i am personally hoping it is not going to take that long, as i want to make this purchase before dec 31 for tax reasons. (and i want it sooner!)
i have the cash set aside, so at this point i am just going to be waiting
I have decided that I shalln't wait for the new MBP, but rather will order an ordinary white MacBook now.
Why?
It's cheaper, and with a Quad G5 at home I realy don't need a MBP on the move.
EDIT: Oh, and white because the black one is for some reason more expensive.
Why?
It's cheaper, and with a Quad G5 at home I realy don't need a MBP on the move.
EDIT: Oh, and white because the black one is for some reason more expensive.
Something I've been rolling over in my head the past night or two...
Maybe the slight delay (as it is now, or may become longer, whatever) is from something we can't "see"?
What I mean is, perhaps there was an issue with something that is coming down the not-so-distant road that we don't even know about yet?
Maybe merom runs hotter in 64 mode, and when you couple it with Leopard it sent the specs over the limit? Or something like that, but you get the idea.
While right now we can contemplate about how it will work with what we know about, perhaps like I mentioned it is more of an issue of forward compatibility with something unseen by us now than with something we already know about.
Maybe there's some magical special thing they are building into iTV or something?
See where I'm going with this?
Ok, so the iMac has merom already, and the current iMac "could" be looked at as a less portable notebook/desktop hybrid in a sense. But the case also has more room, and better heat dissipation than the smaller and thinner notebooks.
So while we've contemplated a redesign of the case for possibilities of heat and better features, maybe the reason why they're needed is different than what we're thinking they are.
I guess the end result is the same, for example heating/cooling issues, or what ever.
Although, I'm still inclined to believe that even taking all of that into account, the R&D and engineering process is done. But, if they had to overcome problems it could have pushed the whole time line back a tick overall.
Whatever the case may be, I'm sure of a few things.
1) Apple knows what the competition is doing.
2) Apple knows how their consumers will act overall.
3) They have their plan figured out and are sticking to it, whatever their reasoning is.
4) Based on all the above, overall they know what they are doing. Even though it is frustrating being on the outside looking in, and not knowing their grand scheme and plans for the future.
Side note:
I just happened to glance over at the "Morning Show" on CBS, and they were doing some story on couples and their use/separation of use of computers in the "bedroom", and how it can affect relationships. The couples they showed... all had Mac's, and with the exception of the 1 iMac they showed, they were all Intel versions. The iMac may have been, but it was at least the last G5 model because it had the integrated iSight.
I've seemed to notice a growing trend over the last several years. A lot of times when they show someone using a computer, they're using a Mac. Be it in a news piece, TV ad or show, and even in a lot of films. Not necessarily meaning every single time, but the exposure is growing.
Back on topic, someone mentioned earlier about "learning from this experience". Agreed overall. Kind of reminds me of the old "Good things come to those who wait" mindset.
Maybe the slight delay (as it is now, or may become longer, whatever) is from something we can't "see"?
What I mean is, perhaps there was an issue with something that is coming down the not-so-distant road that we don't even know about yet?
Maybe merom runs hotter in 64 mode, and when you couple it with Leopard it sent the specs over the limit? Or something like that, but you get the idea.
While right now we can contemplate about how it will work with what we know about, perhaps like I mentioned it is more of an issue of forward compatibility with something unseen by us now than with something we already know about.
Maybe there's some magical special thing they are building into iTV or something?
See where I'm going with this?
Ok, so the iMac has merom already, and the current iMac "could" be looked at as a less portable notebook/desktop hybrid in a sense. But the case also has more room, and better heat dissipation than the smaller and thinner notebooks.
So while we've contemplated a redesign of the case for possibilities of heat and better features, maybe the reason why they're needed is different than what we're thinking they are.
I guess the end result is the same, for example heating/cooling issues, or what ever.
Although, I'm still inclined to believe that even taking all of that into account, the R&D and engineering process is done. But, if they had to overcome problems it could have pushed the whole time line back a tick overall.
Whatever the case may be, I'm sure of a few things.
1) Apple knows what the competition is doing.
2) Apple knows how their consumers will act overall.
3) They have their plan figured out and are sticking to it, whatever their reasoning is.
4) Based on all the above, overall they know what they are doing. Even though it is frustrating being on the outside looking in, and not knowing their grand scheme and plans for the future.
Side note:
I just happened to glance over at the "Morning Show" on CBS, and they were doing some story on couples and their use/separation of use of computers in the "bedroom", and how it can affect relationships. The couples they showed... all had Mac's, and with the exception of the 1 iMac they showed, they were all Intel versions. The iMac may have been, but it was at least the last G5 model because it had the integrated iSight.
I've seemed to notice a growing trend over the last several years. A lot of times when they show someone using a computer, they're using a Mac. Be it in a news piece, TV ad or show, and even in a lot of films. Not necessarily meaning every single time, but the exposure is growing.
Back on topic, someone mentioned earlier about "learning from this experience". Agreed overall. Kind of reminds me of the old "Good things come to those who wait" mindset.
generik said:You speak as though Apple is God..
Apple acts in mysterious ways...
Not what I was getting at, really.
I'm just saying they have to know what their current situation is. I mean if we know everybody else is shipping, or getting ready to ship C2D notebooks, Apple isn't that far out in left field. If they were, they wouldn't have made the gains that they have in the past decade. Sure they aren't the one with the biggest market share but they are growing, and in a world where *gasp* some idiots... er, I mean people... still think that "Internet Explorer is the internet, and you can't get it without it", it's no small feat.
CarmineM said:You're welcome!
RoR really is a great thing, isn't it?
I also am fond of ruby (and Rails), which I try to use whenever I can.
It's awesome. In a month with Rails, I redeveloped something that took a year to write in Java. Ruby is such a powerful & beautiful language.
I believe all the core Rails team use Macs right now, & Apple will be bundling Rails with X when Leopard hits which is cool. Mac + RoR is amazingly productive. Still, I could be more productive with Merom inside the MBP I'm thinking
I waited to get the C2D MBP and missed the IPOD deals they had till Sept 16th. So now without any deals available with purchase I really don't have an insentive to purchase right now. I'm going to wait it out till they either announce the C2D machines or till there are some specials/price drops around Christmas.
Also hoping that they will drop the 802.11n capable (I know that the standard is not set yet) chips in the MBP in anticipation of the itv.
Also hoping that they will drop the 802.11n capable (I know that the standard is not set yet) chips in the MBP in anticipation of the itv.
eb6 said:
i wouldn't be surprised if the new 17" MBP will be black aluminum... is there a trend going here?
meepm00pmeep said:
I'd be tempted by a black 15.4 MBP. Even though I want something smaller.
mmm black anodized mbp....drool.